December 15, 20196 yr 7 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said: You mean there's an alternative course of action? I mean the Government will enact whatever policies they wish and there is no effective opposition in the HoC. Hence let’s see what they do with this unassailable power they have been given.
December 15, 20196 yr Just now, Chomper Higgot said: I mean the Government will enact whatever policies they wish and there is no effective opposition in the HoC. Hence let’s see what they do with this unassailable power they have been given. Correct - there is absolutely nothing you can do about it for five years, so you have no alternative to simply sit and stare. There is no alternative course of action
December 15, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: I mean the Government will enact whatever policies they wish and there is no effective opposition in the HoC. And who is to blame for that?
December 15, 20196 yr Just now, vogie said: And who is to blame for that? Me! I paid my three quid to join the Labour Party and vote Corbyn as leader. What a return on my investment ????
December 15, 20196 yr 7 minutes ago, vogie said: And who is to blame for that? It’s not a matter of Blame vogie, it’s simply the choice the majority made in the legally binding General Election. They’ve voted Johnson into power, now let’s see what Johnson does with that power. Consistent with my views in Johnson I’d advise you don’t take the promises he’s made as any guide to what he’ll do.
December 15, 20196 yr 11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: It’s not a matter of Blame vogie, it’s simply the choice the majority made in the legally binding General Election. They’ve voted Johnson into power, now let’s see what Johnson does with that power. Consistent with my views in Johnson I’d advise you don’t take the promises he’s made as any guide to what he’ll do. The worst result for Labour since 1935, if you don't want to apportion blame then somebody in the Labour Party needs to be asking what went wrong, and not Corbyn and his Merry Men. He needs to go as fast as his heels will carry him, not lingering on like a bad smell. Corbyn will not take any responsibilty for Labours trouncing, but the way Labour choses it's Leaders I fear nothing will change in the near future.
December 15, 20196 yr 19 minutes ago, vogie said: The worst result for Labour since 1935, if you don't want to apportion blame then somebody in the Labour Party needs to be asking what went wrong, and not Corbyn and his Merry Men. He needs to go as fast as his heels will carry him, not lingering on like a bad smell. Corbyn will not take any responsibilty for Labours trouncing, but the way Labour choses it's Leaders I fear nothing will change in the near future. Labour have five years to address this General Election defeat. Labour’s problems are for these next five years irrelevant, the majority of people who voted elected Johnson and the Tories. The issue is not what they did not vote for, rather what they got, and nothing in Johnson’s history suggests that his promises are anything other than meaningless words, at best ‘figures of speech’. If what is delivered by Johnson isn’t what you expected, don’t look for an excuse in blaming Labour.
December 15, 20196 yr Popular Post 36 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Consistent with my views in Johnson I’d advise you don’t take the promises he’s made as any guide to what he’ll do. The man is nothing if not a notorious, pathological liar. Doesn't bode well.
December 15, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: Labour have five years to address this General Election defeat. Labour’s problems are for these next five irrelevant, the majority of people who voted elected Johnson and the Tories. The issue is not what they did not vote for, rather what they got, and nothing in Johnson’s history suggests that his promises are anything other than meaningless words, at best ‘figures of speech’. If what is delivered by Johnson isn’t what you expected, don’t look for an excuse in blaming Labour. I get it now, Labour are not to blame, it's all the fault of what Boris may do in the next 5 years, BTW 10 years might be nearer the mark. The Labour voters in Labours heartlands disagree with you. Labour needs to get their heads out of the sand and take some responsibilty and stop being in denial all the time.
December 15, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, GalaxyMan said: The man is nothing if not a notorious, pathological liar. Doesn't bode well. You never listened to Corbyn's promises on the lead up to the vote then...? ????
December 15, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, GalaxyMan said: The man is nothing if not a notorious, pathological liar. Doesn't bode well. Those who refused to see why that matters are about to find out.
December 15, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: Those who refused to see why that matters are about to find out. And your Corby was not talking rollox then.....? ????
December 15, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, transam said: You never listened to Corbyn's promises on the lead up to the vote then...? ???? Carefull, I have just got a good deal on broadband routers, you buy one, you get one free, I said you buy one you get one free.
December 15, 20196 yr Popular Post 6 minutes ago, vogie said: I get it now, Labour are not to blame, it's all the fault of what Boris may do in the next 5 years, BTW 10 years might be nearer the mark. The Labour voters in Labours heartlands disagree with you. Labour needs to get their heads out of the sand and take some responsibilty and stop being in denial all the time. No you didn’t get it. The majority of those who voted elected Johnson and the Tories. What Johnson and the Tories do with the power they have been handed to them is nothing to do with Labour. How Labour responds to this defeat will have zero impact on what Johnson and the Tories do in the next five years.
December 15, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: How Labour responds to this defeat will have zero impact on what Johnson and the Tories do in the next five years. Excellent news. Now can we move on to something less boring
December 15, 20196 yr Popular Post 56 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Consistent with my views in Johnson I’d advise you don’t take the promises he’s made as any guide to what he’ll do. He's a politician, why would anyone believe any politician on Earth?
December 15, 20196 yr 19 minutes ago, transam said: You never listened to Corbyn's promises on the lead up to the vote then...? ???? He didn't win and I find him to be beneath contempt. Disgusting excuse for a human being, just the other side of the Boris coin.
December 15, 20196 yr 20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Those who refused to see why that matters are about to find out. Sadly, the alternative was just as bad if not worse. I never thought I'd say this, but I feel for the British people. ????
December 15, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: No you didn’t get it. The majority of those who voted elected Johnson and the Tories. What Johnson and the Tories do with the power they have been handed to them is nothing to do with Labour. How Labour responds to this defeat will have zero impact on what Johnson and the Tories do in the next five years. You are missing the point I am making, what the Tories do with the power they have been handed by Labour, is everything to do with labour. What is the point in denying that this was a Labour catastrophe of great proportions never seen in my lifetime, whether blame Corbyn, Mclusky or Jon Lansmans Momentum, take your pick, all or one.
December 15, 20196 yr Just now, vogie said: You are missing the point I am making, what the Tories do with the power they have been handed by Labour, is everything to do with labour. What is the point in denying that this was a Labour catastrophe of great proportions never seen in my lifetime, whether blame Corbyn, Mclusky or Jon Lansmans Momentum, take your pick, all or one. Which has nothing at all to do with the post you were reacting to. I don't think anyone is missing your point.
December 15, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, vogie said: You are missing the point I am making, what the Tories do with the power they have been handed by Labour, is everything to do with labour. What is the point in denying that this was a Labour catastrophe of great proportions never seen in my lifetime, whether blame Corbyn, Mclusky or Jon Lansmans Momentum, take your pick, all or one. ......and Abbott, given a high ranking position...........????
December 15, 20196 yr Popular Post 2 hours ago, Orton Rd said: Dianne Abbott for leader- we need the laughs Spitting image would have a field day????
December 15, 20196 yr 11 minutes ago, stevenl said: Which has nothing at all to do with the post you were reacting to. I don't think anyone is missing your point. The way you get confused at all my posts I would be carefull.????
December 15, 20196 yr Just now, vogie said: The way you get confused at all my posts I would be carefull.???? Yes, your thought process has me often confused. No logic, no common sense. I don't understand e.g. the need to be careful.
December 15, 20196 yr 28 minutes ago, stevenl said: Yes, your thought process has me often confused. No logic, no common sense. I don't understand e.g. the need to be careful. What confused you when I asked chomper "who is to blame" maybe it might be your failure to comprehend posts so you attack the poster rather than adding anything of substance to the debate.
December 15, 20196 yr 5 hours ago, SheungWan said: Maybe you and the others should check the internal Labour documents that were leaked before the election re Labour Party leadership interference in anti-semitism accusations inside the Party. That there is a nasty strain here of guys wanting to line up with the Corbynistas, well.... "Exploitation"? So then trying to kick it into the long grass which has been a tendency for the fellow travellers to follow. If there were clear reasons why the Corbynistas and their equally unpleasant hangers on had to be defeated in this election this was one of them. The British electorate weren't buying and yet someone like Ken Livingstone still peddling his nastyness. Away with you all. Give the Labour Party back to its decent members and be gone with all of the nasties. Did you actually comprehend what I wrote? I made no comment whatsoever on the veracity of the allegations against Corbyn; my issue is with this 'new found' empathy with minority causes that some Brexiteers have embraced. That they are single issue 'warriors' is clear - I have yet to see any stand up for Muslims, for example, in light of the accusations of rampant Islamophobia in the Tory Party. Is the takeaway from this: Islamophobia good; antisemitism bad? As I said in my earlier post, most couldn't care less about either. On the positive side, it is refreshing to see you write more than your usual non sequitur haiku.
December 15, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, vogie said: You are missing the point I am making, what the Tories do with the power they have been handed by Labour, is everything to do with labour. What is the point in denying that this was a Labour catastrophe of great proportions never seen in my lifetime, whether blame Corbyn, Mclusky or Jon Lansmans Momentum, take your pick, all or one. The electorate handed the Tories power, not Labour. If my Honda breakdown I don’t blame the Toyota I didn’t buy.
December 15, 20196 yr Popular Post 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: The electorate handed the Tories power, not Labour. If my Honda breakdown I don’t blame the Toyota I didn’t buy. Always somebody elses fault, the electorate handed the Tories power because Labour was worse than useless, traditional Labour voters lending the Tories their vote has never been heard of before. But in all fairness when you watch the left being interviewed on the News Channels they all say the same, it is not our fault, Jeremy didn't get his message across, the media were vastly unfair to Jeremy, Jeremy deserves another chance, we couldn't get our hands on 60 million broadband routers quick enough. Just another quick point, if Jeremy had sold you the Honda that broke down, I think you would be blaming Jeremy then.????
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