UK election result 'blew away' argument for second Brexit vote: Labour's Starmer

[kingdong]

It would appear snp members aren,t aware of the short term economic future of the North sea oil fields 1 they,'re running out.2 the West is seeking to put an end to it's reliance on the unstable middle East oil exports,hence the swing under the guise of "save the planet"to alternate sources of energy,aided and abetted by the useful idiots.

[kingdong]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

But you keep reiterating that somehow "once in a generation" is somehow written in tablets of stone.

Which it is not and never has been.

This slogan seems to be some kind of comfort blanket to which you hold on to.

Make the compelling case for remaining in the union.

Go ahead I triple dare you  ???????????????????? 

Isn,t that an eu tactic? Keep having elections until people get sick of them?

[nauseus]

56 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Isn,t that an eu tactic? Keep having elections until people get sick of them?

Similar to the EU but in this case it's the SNP calling for another referendum hoping to get the result they think that Scotland wants - a la Barroso - Olé, Olé, Olé.

[kingdong]

9 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Right so a throw away remark prior to the referendum is now binding is it?

 

 

What about these guys? Why are we not compelled to remain in the single market because of their remarks?

 

 

So what did he do? He went and asked for an extension.

So its only SNP persons who must be utterly held to every remark they make.

Liars in Vote leave can say and do as they wish?

 

Usual hypocrisy from Brexiteers. Do as we say not as we do. 

What could Boris do when he was outnumbered by traitors and didn,t have a majority? History now,he called a people's election and got the people's vote.

[sandyf]

On 1/10/2020 at 5:40 PM, RuamRudy said:

But that's just it - the collective you seem to be think that the 43% o people who voted Tory gives Johnson a mandate to complete Brexit, but the 45% of Scots who voted for the SNP means that independence is dead in the water. Utter hypocrisy of the rankest kind.

Exactly. Bojo and his merry brexiteers think that 43% is an overwhelming mandate for brexit. Scared stiff of the result of a second referendum he manipulated the result he was after on anti Corbyn sentiment.

Blair manipulated the UK into bed with the US and look what happened. Scotland has a right to self determination and would be right to reject being ruled by a UK/US administration.

[sandyf]

16 hours ago, jayboy said:

Why not man up and accept the truth.

Truth can be like beauty, in the eye of the beholder. Following cataract operations I have 20/20 vision in both eyes, maybe time you made an appointment.

[sandyf]

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

Similar to the EU but in this case it's the SNP calling for another referendum hoping to get the result they think that Scotland wants - a la Barroso - Olé, Olé, Olé.

You should stick to the facts, it is the Scottish Parliament that has requested the section 30, not the SNP.

What's that about a parliament being dominated by one party?

 

[kingdong]

27 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Exactly. Bojo and his merry brexiteers think that 43% is an overwhelming mandate for brexit. Scared stiff of the result of a second referendum he manipulated the result he was after on anti Corbyn sentiment.

Blair manipulated the UK into bed with the US and look what happened. Scotland has a right to self determination and would be right to reject being ruled by a UK/US administration.

Stone the bleeders,I thought it was thai visa not birth of a nation.

[RuamRudy]

13 hours ago, kingdong said:

It would appear snp members aren,t aware of the short term economic future of the North sea oil fields 1 they,'re running out.2 the West is seeking to put an end to it's reliance on the unstable middle East oil exports,hence the swing under the guise of "save the planet"to alternate sources of energy,aided and abetted by the useful idiots.

You seem to have unique knowledge about the future of the North Sea. Possibly you should share that with the likes of Equinor, who is currently developing the Mariner field at a cost of £7.7 billion, or CNOOC who recently discovered the Glengorm field, said to be the largest gas find in a decade. In reality, however, if you were remotely aware of the O&G industry in the UK, you would know that there continues to be significant finds, and operators continue to make significant investment in exploration. The days of the elephant fields may be over, but technological advances are opening up frontiers and also opening up previously marginal fields.

 

That said, hidden within your latest post of ill informed nonsense was, surprisingly, one little kernel of accuracy. It is true that we need to move away from our dependency upon fossil fuels and develop renewables such that they become the backbone of our power requirements. And Scotland is already at the forefront. We generate more than a quarter of all renewable energy in the UK including 90% of all hydro electric generation. Moving forward, we have a quarter of the wind and tidal energy potential for the whole of Europe and 10% of Europe's wave power potential - we are well placed to move into the next era of clean energy as an innovative leader, as we were at the height of the oil years. 

[RuamRudy]

12 hours ago, kingdong said:

What could Boris do when he was outnumbered by traitors and didn,t have a majority? History now,he called a people's election and got the people's vote.

For the eradication of doubt, just exactly what is a people's election? Are there characteristics which make it different from every other election, or are you simply regurgitating empty words designed to inspire and enthuse the more insipid thinkers among us?

[evadgib]

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

You should stick to the facts, it is the Scottish Parliament that has requested the section 30, not the SNP.

What's that about a parliament being dominated by one party?

 

Where's ours? ????????????????????????????

[RuamRudy]

31 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Where's ours? ????????????????????????????

You need to campaign for it; the devolved assemblies didn't come about against a backdrop of apathy. But it is something upon which we both agree: an English parliament is long overdue.

[kingdong]

8 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

For the eradication of doubt, just exactly what is a people's election? Are there characteristics which make it different from every other election, or are you simply regurgitating empty words designed to inspire and enthuse the more insipid thinkers among us?

Perhaps you would be better off asking a fully paid up member of the remain party,who were unable to accept a democratic referendum.since then we,ve had " people's referendum " and all other manner of nonsense coming from a minority of people unable to accept result of a vote where They lost to a majority.p.s is Gina Miller a relative of max Miller the comedian?

[kingdong]

8 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

You seem to have unique knowledge about the future of the North Sea. Possibly you should share that with the likes of Equinor, who is currently developing the Mariner field at a cost of £7.7 billion, or CNOOC who recently discovered the Glengorm field, said to be the largest gas find in a decade. In reality, however, if you were remotely aware of the O&G industry in the UK, you would know that there continues to be significant finds, and operators continue to make significant investment in exploration. The days of the elephant fields may be over, but technological advances are opening up frontiers and also opening up previously marginal fields.

 

That said, hidden within your latest post of ill informed nonsense was, surprisingly, one little kernel of accuracy. It is true that we need to move away from our dependency upon fossil fuels and develop renewables such that they become the backbone of our power requirements. And Scotland is already at the forefront. We generate more than a quarter of all renewable energy in the UK including 90% of all hydro electric generation. Moving forward, we have a quarter of the wind and tidal energy potential for the whole of Europe and 10% of Europe's wave power potential - we are well placed to move into the next era of clean energy as an innovative leader, as we were at the height of the oil years. 

They,'ll always be a market for oil,nothing like a drop or  two to stop your boots squeaking.

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/11/brexit-deal-eu-may-threaten-to-block-citys-access-to-its-markets

Thanks, I can open this one and read it now. I suppose we can expect the EU to continue with Project Fear and any other nonsense to try and drag this out. Level playing field...what a joke. 

[bannork]

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Thanks, I can open this one and read it now. I suppose we can expect the EU to continue with Project Fear and any other nonsense to try and drag this out. Level playing field...what a joke. 

The UK wants to leave the group and expects to be treated the same as members?

Better get rid of that superiority complex fast.

[billd766]

I am quite happy if the SNP want another once in a lifetime referendum.

 

However to be fair to all voters the general election rules should apply on age limits and it should NOT be limited to ONLY those people living within the Scottish borders.

 

It should be similar, but with much better questions, to the original 2016 Brexit referendum and EVERYBODY in the UK should have a vote, not just the Scots.

 

The pass/fail vote should be set at a percentage (60, 70, 75% or whatever) and not just 50% + 1 of the votes cast and be agreed on before it reaches the voting stage,

 

To be fair, as Scotland wants to leave the union, then every eligible voter in the union should be given the opportunity to vote. In addition the result must stand for a set period of time, perhaps 10 to 15 years before another attempt is made for another referendum. Also, should Scotland wish to return to the union another nationwide referendum should be required, with the same percentage pass level on whether Scotland be allowed to rejoin the union, but in this case the people of Scotland should not be allowed to vote.

[Scott]

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[Rookiescot]

7 hours ago, billd766 said:

I am quite happy if the SNP want another once in a lifetime referendum.

 

However to be fair to all voters the general election rules should apply on age limits and it should NOT be limited to ONLY those people living within the Scottish borders.

 

It should be similar, but with much better questions, to the original 2016 Brexit referendum and EVERYBODY in the UK should have a vote, not just the Scots.

 

The pass/fail vote should be set at a percentage (60, 70, 75% or whatever) and not just 50% + 1 of the votes cast and be agreed on before it reaches the voting stage,

 

To be fair, as Scotland wants to leave the union, then every eligible voter in the union should be given the opportunity to vote. In addition the result must stand for a set period of time, perhaps 10 to 15 years before another attempt is made for another referendum. Also, should Scotland wish to return to the union another nationwide referendum should be required, with the same percentage pass level on whether Scotland be allowed to rejoin the union, but in this case the people of Scotland should not be allowed to vote.

Was everyone in the EU given a vote on Brexit?

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Was everyone in the EU given a vote on Brexit?

No,should they have?

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

No,should they have?

Here we go again. Bill is stating that the rest of the UK should get to vote in any Scottish independence referendum.

Once again I point out the hypocrisy in demanding this when Brexiteers would have had a mass collective hissy fit if the same rule had been applied for leaving the EU.

  

[JonnyF]

14 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Here we go again. Bill is stating that the rest of the UK should get to vote in any Scottish independence referendum.

Once again I point out the hypocrisy in demanding this when Brexiteers would have had a mass collective hissy fit if the same rule had been applied for leaving the EU.

  

I don't know what you're so worried about. Allowing the rest of the UK to vote would massively increase the chances of a "Yes" vote, especially as we see more of Sturgeon. A lot of people would be more than happy to see the back of the SNP and their nasty leader.

 

Her schadenfreude at Swinson's defeat was particularly unpleasant.

  

[Rookiescot]

Just now, JonnyF said:

I don't know what you're so worried about. Allowing the rest of the UK to vote would massively increase the chances of a "Yes" vote, especially as we see more of Sturgeon. A lot of people would be more than happy to see the back of the SNP and their nasty leader.

 

Her schadenfreude at Swinson's defeat was particularly unpleasant.

  

Can't say I was impressed by that either however independence is not just about Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP.

[RuamRudy]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I don't know what you're so worried about. Allowing the rest of the UK to vote would massively increase the chances of a "Yes" vote, especially as we see more of Sturgeon. A lot of people would be more than happy to see the back of the SNP and their nasty leader.

 

Her schadenfreude at Swinson's defeat was particularly unpleasant.

  

Unpleasant? She was celebrating that a young woman who recently overcome a particularly aggressive bout of cancer had won a very challenging seat. Humanity may be an alien concept to you, but don't attribute you own lack of human empathy and emotion to others.

[sandyf]

11 hours ago, billd766 said:

To be fair, as Scotland wants to leave the union, then every eligible voter in the union should be given the opportunity to vote.

I can appreciate the angle Bill, but it hardly equates to self determination.

During the Kosovo hearings the UK supported the right of every country to self determination, it would now appear that they propose to renege on that policy or dispute Scotland being a country.

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

or dispute Scotland being a country.

Countries issue their own passports and have embassies and consulates in other countries, if they don't, they aren't.

Edited January 13, 2020 by BritManToo

[sandyf]

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

Thanks, I can open this one and read it now. I suppose we can expect the EU to continue with Project Fear and any other nonsense to try and drag this out. Level playing field...what a joke. 

Everything that does not sit well with the brexiteer will always be project fear or fake news.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-remain-eu-boris-johnson-leave-bmg-poll-a9279996.html

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scottish-independence-rally-glasgow-nicola-sturgeon-snp-a9279676.html

[BritManToo]

49 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Here we go again. Bill is stating that the rest of the UK should get to vote in any Scottish independence referendum.

Once again I point out the hypocrisy in demanding this when Brexiteers would have had a mass collective hissy fit if the same rule had been applied for leaving the EU.

  

If the English could vote for Scotland to leave the UK today, they would be out tomorrow.

I really doubt the Scots pollys would really want to leave, England has a much bigger feeding trough for them to eat from.

[sandyf]

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Countries issue their own passports and have embassies and consulates in other countries, if they don't, they aren't.

That would be one point of view, how about another.

 

A country may be an independent sovereign state or part of a larger state, as a non-sovereign or formerly sovereign political division, a physical territory with a government, or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated people with distinct political characteristics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country

[RuamRudy]

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

If the English could vote for Scotland to leave the UK today, they would be out tomorrow.

I really doubt the Scots pollys would really want to leave, England has a much bigger feeding trough for them to eat from.

So maybe you know the answer to the question that I have posed many times on these threads, but never received a satisfactory reply - if Scotland is a drain on England's resources, why would a country that happily allows ex servicemen to live and die on the streets, hang on to an ungrateful and unsupportive people who do nothing but agitate against them?