EU leaders remind Britain: No membership, no benefits

[CraigInBangkok]

On 2/1/2020 at 5:13 PM, bannork said:

More 'views' from the woman on the street.

I am English, but neither my views or IQ are reflected by the two morons in this video.  Jesus... is that the best they could find?

Edited February 3, 2020 by CraigInBangkok

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, Forethat said:

You're telling me you read that and STILL don't understand why the UK voters told the EU-elite to take their little federal-state-to-be-club and shove it where the sun doesn't shine?

Let’s wait and see how many Brexit promises are kept.

[7by7]

On 2/2/2020 at 1:45 PM, Loiner said:

On 2/2/2020 at 5:28 AM, TheDark said:

You probably don't personally but your grandchildren might want to have the freedom to travel and live in Europe, like they used to have. 

My grandchildren, and everybody else's grandchildren will still be able to do that. They will just have to get a job first - preferably a proper job with full expat package. They won't be able to go scrounge in some other country to abuse its benefits system and infrastructure, all at the expense of the local citizens.
Tough but fair.

 

9 hours ago, billd766 said:

What a load of rubbish you post.

If you want to live, to work and move around as you wish, the only thing that is stopping you is yourself.

 

To get a job in the EU you must look for it yourself, usually through the internet and apply for an interview, and if you are good enough and there are no better qualified people, the company will probably hire you, help you out with a visa, accommodation etc.

 

There are no jobs just given away freely, YOU would have to do the hard work yourself, just like before. 

 

Loiner and Billd, neither of you appear to fully understand how the freedom of movement directive works.

 

Under the FoM there is no need to find a job first, no need to get and pay for a visa of any type. One can travel to the member state of one's choice and stay there for up to three months as a job seeker, and if one finds a job in that time simply start work; the same as a citizen of that state.

 

No visas nor other formalities. All that's required is evidence that one is a EU/EEA national and so legally able to work in one's host state.

 

Of course, most UK citizens taking advantage of the directive are not workers, they are pensioners. Unless the UK government agrees to remain in the EHIC scheme, they will no longer be eligible for state health care in their host state. The same, btw, for British tourists, students, workers and job seekers in the EU. If the UK opts out of the EHIC scheme, they will all need private health insurance in the future. I'm sure there are many British pensioners in Thailand who can testify how expensive that can be for anyone over 60!

 

Most EU nationals in the UK are working and paying tax; and they are already leaving the UK in droves, taking their tax payments with them. They will be replaced by British pensioners who cannot afford private health insurance and so will inevitably return to the UK and be placing a greater drain upon the NHS and other welfare services.

 

Looking at it purely from a financial aspect, I wonder how much of the £7.8/11 billion p.a. (depending on whose figure you use) net UK contribution to the EU saved by Brexit will be lost to the exchequer because of these two factors alone?

[Loiner]

4 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

 

Loiner and Billd, neither of you appear to fully understand how the freedom of movement directive works.

 

 

I understand fully how it works, and I expect Billd does too, as do 17.4 million Brexit voters. It worked baldly for the UK, so was one of the basic reasons for the vote against remaining in the EU.

 

Remainer propaganda about 4 million euro migrants paying lots of tax is untrue, the more of them that leave the better. If the 1.2 million UK pensioners in EU countries can't afford health care, then they should return home and spend their pensions in the UK rather than effectively be an export. The UK ends up paying for their health care to their retirement hosts anyway.

[sirineou]

58 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I understand fully how it works, and I expect Billd does too, as do 17.4 million Brexit voters. It worked baldly for the UK, so was one of the basic reasons for the vote against remaining in the EU.

 

Remainer propaganda about 4 million euro migrants paying lots of tax is untrue, the more of them that leave the better. If the 1.2 million UK pensioners in EU countries can't afford health care, then they should return home and spend their pensions in the UK rather than effectively be an export. The UK ends up paying for their health care to their retirement hosts anyway.

It is really farcical . Income inequality means that a very small percentage of the population owns most of the wealth leaving the rest of us to fight for crumbs.

And we do! the poor blaming the poorer. ????????

even if we were to get what we think the immigrants are stealing from as, and then get everything else they have, EVERYTHING even that that rightly belongs to them, what will you get????  you are still fighting over a small percentage of 20%, It is really laughable. 

  When asked why he robbed banks, Willie Sutton  replied, “I rob banks because that's where the money is"

If you want your money, the results of your labors, don't look to the poor, the immigrants the refugees, they have very little of it, if any.  Go where the money is. 

But those who have our money have bigger balls than as, so we go after the poor, the immigrants  the refugees the weak.

It is really pathetic, and leads as to act against our best interest. 

I am sorry but it is the truth, the numbers don't lie. 

 

 

[Loiner]

58 minutes ago, sirineou said:

 

It is really pathetic, and leads as to act against our best interest. 

I am sorry but it is the truth, the numbers don't lie. 

 

The Remainers and apologists do though. 

[Laughing Gravy]

16 hours ago, Forethat said:

You're telling me you read that and STILL don't understand why the UK voters told the EU-elite to take their little federal-state-to-be-club and shove it where the sun doesn't shine?

That's because he isn't British, doesn't understand the UK and probably has never lived in the UK but he is an expert on what the UK people think, need and should have.

 

No Chomps just will never understand from his EU perspective that the UK want to be independent.

[ukrules]

On 2/2/2020 at 2:36 PM, vogie said:

The Maldives rejoined the Commonwealth just one hour after the UK left the EU, smart cookies.

The Maldives is poison. Google why.

[PingRoundTheWorld]

"You guys don't play the way I want you to play so I'm going to break all the toys and you can't play with me anymore" -- The EU.

[vogie]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

The Maldives is poison. Google why.

I don't have to google anything, incase you missed the point that was being made, I shall repeat it, they wanted to and indeed have rejoined our wonderfull Commonwealth which means that Britain is not this horrible country that some posters oft repeat and want to believe. There are also 54 other countries that are members of our Commonwealth, I guess they must enjoy it or they would leave, nobody is locking them in.

 

When posters have to bring the Empire into an angument, which happened about 300 years ago, it is not to enrich the debate, it is to bait other posters because they have very little to say. FYI, I had nothing to do with the battle at Rorke's Drift nor did I assist in the relief of mafeking. So in everybodies interest wouldn't it be appropiate to stop this nonsense of keep bringing up the British Empire, after all there are very few countries in Europe that were not themselves part of Empire building. And to finalise a lot of our european friends countries were far more brutal than GB ever was, but I cannot hold any poster on here responsible for it as they were not there.

[billd766]

8 hours ago, Loiner said:

I understand fully how it works, and I expect Billd does too, as do 17.4 million Brexit voters. It worked baldly for the UK, so was one of the basic reasons for the vote against remaining in the EU.

 

Remainer propaganda about 4 million euro migrants paying lots of tax is untrue, the more of them that leave the better. If the 1.2 million UK pensioners in EU countries can't afford health care, then they should return home and spend their pensions in the UK rather than effectively be an export. The UK ends up paying for their health care to their retirement hosts anyway.

 

13 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Loiner and Billd, neither of you appear to fully understand how the freedom of movement directive works.

 

Of course I know how it works which is why I and 17.4 million others voted to Leave the EU, despite the Remainers such as Philip Hammond. Mark Carney et al threatening us with the the UK imploding, the GBP collapsing, plagues of locusts etc.

 

The main difference is that when we were in the EU travel was easier between the nations. I am also old enough to remember before the EU and the EEC that passports and visas were required.

 

Now we will revert to that system where the rest of the world, plus the EU for the UK, we will need a visa.

 

@7x7  Is that to difficult to understand for you? It means more paperwork in exactly the same way you apply for a visa for anywhere else in the world.

[7by7]

On 2/3/2020 at 7:44 PM, Loiner said:

Remainer propaganda about 4 million euro migrants paying lots of tax is untrue, the more of them that leave the better

 Nearly 4 million; a figure not even Cummings, Johnson, Rees-Mogg nor any other serious Leave politician has ever disputed. Maybe you know something they don't?

 

Farage may have disputed it; when he wasn't calculating his MEP expenses and pension.

 

On 2/3/2020 at 7:44 PM, Loiner said:

If the 1.2 million UK pensioners in EU countries can't afford health care, then they should return home and spend their pensions in the UK rather than effectively be an export.

Aren't exports good for us? Especially in the post Brexit paradise you and your lot have promised?

 

Yes, some of their care is currently paid for by the NHS; but not all.

[7by7]

On 2/4/2020 at 4:36 AM, billd766 said:

 

13 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Loiner and Billd, neither of you appear to fully understand how the freedom of movement directive works.

 

Of course I know how it works which is why I and 17.4 million others voted to Leave the EU, despite the Remainers such as Philip Hammond. Mark Carney et al threatening us with the the UK imploding, the GBP collapsing, plagues of locusts etc.

 

The main difference is that when we were in the EU travel was easier between the nations. I am also old enough to remember before the EU and the EEC that passports and visas were required.

 

Now we will revert to that system where the rest of the world, plus the EU for the UK, we will need a visa.

 

@7x7  Is that to difficult to understand for you? It means more paperwork in exactly the same way you apply for a visa for anywhere else in the world.

 I fully understand that after the transition period British citizens will need a visa to live, work or study in the EU. T

 

I fully understand that is what leaving the EU and the FoM directive means.

 

I fully understand that it is a step backwards.

 

You, apparently, have no concept of how much of a retrograde step this is. Would you be happy if you lived in England and needed a visa to work in Wales, or retire in Scotland?

 

BTW, the remain campaign threatened nothing, it did point out possibilities. Unlike the leave campaign which lied through it's teeth.

[pixelaoffy]

I am a British citizen in my early 50s  Thailand for business reasons for a few years and I intend to return to live in UK in near future and far more enthusiastic about it future as an independent state ! Dare I say it's future is far better than this SE Asian country which is incapable of moving forward and suppresses freedom of expression and isn't a democracy!

Edited February 10, 2020 by pixelaoffy

[pixelaoffy]

10 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 I fully understand that after the transition period British citizens will need a visa to live, work or study in the EU. T

 

I fully understand that is what leaving the EU and the FoM directive means.

 

I fully understand that it is a step backwards.

 

You, apparently, have no concept of how much of a retrograde step this is. Would you be happy if you lived in England and needed a visa to work in Wales, or retire in Scotland?

 

BTW, the remain campaign threatened nothing, it did point out possibilities. Unlike the leave campaign which lied through it's teeth.

Lies from a loser 

[7by7]

1 minute ago, pixelaoffy said:

Lies from a loser 

 No, Cummings won, so it was lies from a winner.

[Crazy Alex]

2 minutes ago, pixelaoffy said:

I am a British citizen in my early 50s  Thailand for business reasons for a few years and I intend to return to live in UK in near future and far more enthusiastic about it future as an independent state ! Dare I say it's future is far better than this SE Asian country which is incapable of moving forward and suppresses freedom of expression and isn't a democracy!

Suppression of freedom of expression? That would fit England perfectly. Just try speaking out about rape gangs and Muslim violence. Go stand on the corner and criticize the royal monarchy. I'm sorry, but England is no position to criticize Thailand for suppressing freedom of expression.

[7by7]

8 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Suppression of freedom of expression? That would fit England perfectly. Just try speaking out about rape gangs and Muslim violence. Go stand on the corner and criticize the royal monarchy. I'm sorry, but England is no position to criticize Thailand for suppressing freedom of expression.

 Both comments show that you have not read nor seen nor listened to any UK media ever. Whether it be right wing, centre or left wing; mainstream or otherwise. They all cover those topics and more.

 

 

[Crazy Alex]

5 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Both comments show that you have not read nor seen nor listened to any UK media ever. Whether it be right wing, centre or left wing; mainstream or otherwise. They all cover those topics and more.

 

 

Why do you think covering the topics means freedom of expression isn't suppressed?

[7by7]

19 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Why do you think covering the topics means freedom of expression isn't suppressed?

 Is English your first language?

 

If freedom of expression is suppressed, then the media, of all types and persuasions, would not be allowed by the state to cover those topics; they would be suppressed!

 

 

[Crazy Alex]

4 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Is English your first language?

 

If freedom of expression is suppressed, then the media, of all types and persuasions, would not be allowed by the state to cover those topics; they would be suppressed!

 

 

No. I reject your assertion as it is false. Let's suppose a man is arrested for speaking out against rape gangs and violence by a certain demographic. Are his free speech rights any less suppressed because the media was allowed to report on it?

[7by7]

19 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

No. I reject your assertion as it is false. Let's suppose a man is arrested for speaking out against rape gangs and violence by a certain demographic. Are his free speech rights any less suppressed because the media was allowed to report on it?

 How many people in the UK have been arrested for speaking out against rape gangs and violence by a certain, or any other, demographic in the UK?

 

None.

 

Don't bring up the absurd Yaxley-Lennon. He was arrested for breaking reporting restrictions designed to prevent a mistrial. An event his actions could easily have caused.

 

Once the trial was over and the reporting restrictions lifted, the media reported all the facts; including the names and religion of the vile perpetrators.

[Scott]

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[pixelaoffy]

12 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 No, Cummings won, so it was lies from a winner.

funny! Think the loser is someone posting......   look in the mirror!

[3NUMBAS]

uk keeps their 39 billion  pension money then so a result

[7by7]

13 hours ago, pixelaoffy said:

On 2/10/2020 at 3:19 PM, 7by7 said:

 No, Cummings won, so it was lies from a winner.

funny! Think the loser is someone posting......   look in the mirror!

 I make no secret of the fact that I supported remain, and still do. So yes, in that sense I'm a loser

 

But Cummings lied, and his lies got him the victory. A victory I am certain this country will come to regret. To misquote Rick to Ilsa: maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow; but in the future.

[evadgib]

On 2/10/2020 at 10:21 PM, Crazy Alex said:

Suppression of freedom of expression? That would fit England perfectly. Just try speaking out about rape gangs and Muslim violence. Go stand on the corner and criticize the royal monarchy. I'm sorry, but England is no position to criticize Thailand for suppressing freedom of expression.

When having a pop at a country it helps to get the name right (& know the difference!)

[3NUMBAS]

Next month the European Commission is due to publish an individual report for each of the six Western Balkan candidate countries -- Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Montenegro, Northern Macedonia and Serbia.

 

good luck with those lame ducks

[TheDark]

3 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Next month the European Commission is due to publish an individual report for each of the six Western Balkan candidate countries -- Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Montenegro, Northern Macedonia and Serbia.

 

good luck with those lame ducks

Just think about being now able to buy a beachfront land and house with 10.000 euros and after Albania joins the EU, being able to really keep the land and house. 

 

Sounds like great deals to be made by the Andaman sea. 

 

[elliss]

On 1/31/2020 at 6:44 PM, david555 said:

 

 Good riddance ..

 

Edited February 17, 2020 by elliss
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