UK plans to introduce border controls on EU goods after post-Brexit transition

[sanemax]

Just now, david555 said:

HAHAHA tell that to our politicians,...… so you can do on U.K. soil whatever ….that's correct !

 

But we could not do on our soil what we find correct …… don't let me laugh ! There could be plenty reasons practical and even just respecting the local language ..

 

Let stop this discussion as we are not a colony from U.K ...

You are just seeking revenge on Brits ,

Because we require you to speak English if you want to live in the UK, you want to get revenge by making Brits speak the language of the Country  that they retire in .

   

[david555]

4 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Good Luck with that you will need the EU to tear up the freedom of movement principle as your appear to be saying a French national can't live or work in Germany unless they speak German or a German national unable to live or work in France unless they speak French

You forget one important thing …..they ae E.U. nationals member from the 27  , so those rules I talk about counts only for 3Th country's ….. you seem still hoping to get the same benefits of the club while being no more a member …..WAKE UP !

 

You are out remember ...

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Does the EU insist that other non-EU countries such as Canada and Japan follow EU rules, and abide by ECJ rulings? 

Of course they do, all countries in a trade agreement with the EU must follow the rules of that agreement. Trade agreements are exactly that, an agreement to do things in a certain way, the closer the alignment between the 2 entities, the lower the tariffs. The UK can kick alignment into touch and pay the price, not a problem if you are not on a budget. Of course the UK can always sell a few visas for cheaper goods.

 

Every trade deal has an agreed dispute resolution built in, no one is forced to abide by anything. The EU Canada agreement had a reformed dispute settlement drawn up as the EU no longer wished to use ISDS. The US tried to insist on ISDS, the EU refused and trade talks were abandoned.

Make no mistake, ISDS will be the vehicle that carries away the UK pharmaceutical industry.

[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, david555 said:

HAHAHA tell that to our politicians,...… so you can do on U.K. soil whatever ….that's correct !

 

But we could not do on our soil what we find correct …… don't let me laugh ! There could be plenty reasons practical and even just respecting the local language ..

 

Let stop this discussion as we are not a colony from U.K ...

There nothing stopping your country introducing such rules other than your rules will be rejected by the EU

[david555]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

You are just seeking revenge on Brits ,

Because we require you to speak English if you want to live in the UK, you want to get revenge by making Brits speak the language of the Country  that they retire in .

   

You call it revenge (as it fits your target) 

I call it equality in rights as sovereign nation 

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

You call it revenge (as it fits your target) 

I call it equality in rights as sovereign nation 

The EU is not a sovereign nation

[david555]

Just now, vinny41 said:

The EU is not a sovereign nation

Shall I rephrase...:  A union of 27 sovereign nations ….

[vinny41]

7 minutes ago, david555 said:

You forget one important thing …..they ae E.U. nationals member from the 27  , so those rules I talk about counts only for 3Th country's ….. you seem still hoping to get the same benefits of the club while being no more a member …..WAKE UP !

 

You are out remember ...

The rules that you are talking about don't exist at the moment do they?

[david555]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

The rules that you are talking about don't exist at the moment do they?

No, Under transition not I think ……, a grey time for now up to 31 Dec.

All a bit foggy for now

And whole thing we discuss is hypothetical until it becomes a law in U.K. with possible " mirror effect" from E.U. ...

[Mavideol]

this looks more and more like the guy who went to the golf club, not a member but expected same services/advantages as the paying members did.... btw, he got kicked out and couldn't play 555

Edited February 19, 2020 by Mavideol

[sanemax]

18 minutes ago, david555 said:

You forget one important thing …..they ae E.U. nationals member from the 27  , so those rules I talk about counts only for 3Th country's ….. you seem still hoping to get the same benefits of the club while being no more a member …..WAKE UP !

 

You are out remember ...

Yes, that is why we can make own own rules and laws and as you are still IN, you cannot 

[vinny41]

7 minutes ago, david555 said:

No, Under transition not I think ……, a grey time for now up to 31 Dec.

All a bit foggy for now

And whole thing we discuss is hypothetical until it becomes a law in U.K. with possible " mirror effect" from E.U. ...

No the rules you were talking about were EU rules not what the UK is planning after December 31st

[david555]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Yes, that is why we can make own own rules and laws and as you are still IN, you cannot 

We make them with 27 together, and not feeling bad about to be with 27 .

As very soon 1 march to find out by U.K. side , when the games start..., 27 Feb . E.U.27 meeting about the stance in case ...

[cleopatra2]

15 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The rules that you are talking about don't exist at the moment do they?

Language tests for non EU nationals do exist in other EU countries, for example France.

[candide]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The rules that you are talking about don't exist at the moment do they?

 

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

No, Under transition not I think ……, a grey time for now up to 31 Dec.

All a bit foggy for now

And whole thing we discuss is hypothetical until it becomes a law in U.K. with possible " mirror effect" from E.U. ...

As far as I understand, rules for non-EU citizen concerning residence and work permits are made at the country level. It may or may not include language requirements, but it is usually more like a bonus: if you speak the language you are more likely to be accepted than if you don't.

So after Brexit, unless there is a special agreement at the EU or country level, UK citizen will be in the same situation as, say, Chinese citizen.

A key issue is that the EU is unlikely to accept discrimination among EU citizen according to country origin, i.e. let French or German citizen in, and not Polish citizen.

[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

Language tests for non EU nationals do exist in other EU countries, for example France.

They do but the group that David555 wants to target are exempted

Those aged at least 65 years old are exempt, as are those who hold a mainstream French educational qualification.

https://www.french-property.com/news/french_life/language_test_carte_sejour/

[vinny41]

18 minutes ago, david555 said:

We make them with 27 together, and not feeling bad about to be with 27 .

As very soon 1 march to find out by U.K. side , when the games start..., 27 Feb . E.U.27 meeting about the stance in case ...

The Games have already started

Europe is divided into two camps: the net contributors who do not want to contribute more than 1% of Gross National Income (GNI) to the EU budget, and the “Friends of Cohesion”, who reject cuts in regional funds and the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP).

https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/in-portugal-15-cohesion-countries-call-for-stronger-eu-budget/

[david555]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

They do but the group that David555 wants to target are exempted

Those aged at least 65 years old are exempt, as are those who hold a mainstream French educational qualification.

https://www.french-property.com/news/french_life/language_test_carte_sejour/

All in the old system as you were in the E.U.   not knowing this kept standing ….. probably depending U.K.'s future actions in such 

[david555]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The Games have already started

Europe is divided into two camps: the net contributors who do not want to contribute more than 1% of Gross National Income (GNI) to the EU budget, and the “Friends of Cohesion”, who reject cuts in regional funds and the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP).

https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/in-portugal-15-cohesion-countries-call-for-stronger-eu-budget/

And they shall find a consensus 

[vinny41]

Foreign language learning statistics

All or nearly all (99-100 %) primary school pupils in Cyprus, Malta, Austria and Spain learnt English as a foreign language in 2017.

In 2017, 95 % of pupils in upper secondary education in the EU were learning English as a foreign language.

In upper secondary general education, less than one fifth of all pupils in Ireland, Portugal and Greece were learning two or more foreign languages in 2017.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Foreign_language_learning_statistics

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, david555 said:

And they shall find a consensus 

Yes I am sure the the net contributors who do not want to contribute more than 1% will call the shots

[bannork]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Well, from the people whom voted, the majority of Brits who voted, voted to Leave .

All polls, you can only count the people who voted .

   You cannot add the people who didnt vote to the poll results as you want to do

I am simply responding to the poster who claimed a few pages back that the majority of UK voters voted to Leave.

They didn't, only 37% did.

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

I am simply responding to the poster who claimed a few pages back that the majority of UK voters voted to Leave.

They didn't, only 37% did.

of the people that voted in the 2016 EU referendum 37% did vote to leave which was the majority of people that voted

[david555]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Foreign language learning statistics

All or nearly all (99-100 %) primary school pupils in Cyprus, Malta, Austria and Spain learnt English as a foreign language in 2017.

In 2017, 95 % of pupils in upper secondary education in the EU were learning English as a foreign language.

In upper secondary general education, less than one fifth of all pupils in Ireland, Portugal and Greece were learning two or more foreign languages in 2017.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Foreign_language_learning_statistics

Not denying any of this …. just saying if one is difficult he meet difficulty  , each to their own rights....see it as a courtesy to English language …. whoever is meant not to become  a  domination from & on non U.K. territory's

 

This courtesy to accepting English language  became more credit to the USA who spread it worldwide in a enjoyable friendly matter not in forcing  way

Edited February 19, 2020 by david555

[Monomial]

Does anyone find all this posturing incredibly entertaining?

 

We all know business is going to demand some kind of accomodation be reached, and business won't care one iota about the political BS that is currently being blustered about. The UK is still a fertile market for selling goods, and nobody is just going to say "Oh well. There went that market I spent a decade building."  Similarly, the UK has the deepest financial markets in the world and offers most of the world's reinsurance policies. I don't care what political threats people are throwing around...you can't simply reproduce that inside the EU in a short period of time. Businesses will find a way to continue using the London financial and insurance markets, even if they have to adjust their business structure to accomodate it.

 

This political bluster is all just noise by swamp creatures and doesn't really matter. A deal will be agreed, becuase a hard WTO departure is unthinkable to a very large number of very wealthy individuals. And in the end, those individuals that demand a deal will not care about the political union the EU is trying to enforce. They just care about the bottom line.

 

The deal will likely be some kind of WTO++, with the caveat that the "++" will encompass all the things that really matter.  This way, the EU can say "see, they lost general access to our big market" and the UK can say "see, we didn't give up our sovereignty." But the idea that the UK will not be an independent country following their own rules yet continuing to trade closely with Europe is laughable. It simply can't happen in reality. Business won't accept that, and they don't care about political ambitions.

[vinny41]

17 minutes ago, david555 said:

All in the old system as you were in the E.U.   not knowing this kept standing ….. probably depending U.K.'s future actions in such 

And I suspect nothing will change regardless of any Future action by the UK unless the EU want to renact some similar to the

1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey

[bannork]

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

of the people that voted in the 2016 EU referendum 37% did vote to leave which was the majority of people that voted

But not the majority of the UK electorate 

[david555]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And I suspect nothing will change regardless of any Future action by the UK unless the EU want to renact some similar to the

1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey

yes …. a rule of physics  action create re action …..especially in diplomacy & politics 

Edited February 19, 2020 by david555

[vinny41]

7 minutes ago, bannork said:

But not the majority of the UK electorate 

Agreed but it was the majority of the people that voted including 38% of Scotish voters that took part 

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

You are just seeking revenge on Brits ,

Because we require you to speak English if you want to live in the UK, you want to get revenge by making Brits speak the language of the Country  that they retire in .

   

Ho Ho, revenge is it! 

It is simply the level playing field approach. 

You can see the Costa Mucha full of UK pensioners who try to create their little England in the sun, with their English pub, whist drives, bowls, fish and chips etc etc. Absolutely no attempt to interact with the locals, appreciate their special culture and history, or heaven forbid learn their language. The cream of English society expiring in the sun with little hint of residual cranial activity!

The ultimate irony is that those who voted Brexit are finding that their health insurance will no longer be valid EU wide. Oh to be a fly on the wall and watch them - with faces like thunder - searching for a run down flat in Slough when they are forced to come home to get attention for the old boys dicky heart.

I shouldn't laugh, fundamentally it is just sad and pathetic.