Barr tells Trump to stop tweeting about Stone case; juror calls it 'appalling'

[Redoubt]

For those with a desire to know what is factual, this "article" is full of holes.  It is so bloody distorted from the truth, that it is appalling.  Just do a little bit of investigating this case and you will know what the realities are.  In short order the truth will be revealed.  Stand by...

[Redline]

Trump’s whole life is about attacking people-weak mindset, weak individual

[natway09]

Agree. Trump should not be tweeting at all.

Everytime he does, he just puts his foot further down his mouth

[Mavideol]

either this it's a stunt from both of them or Barr will be out in no time.... it started the same way with Sessions

[Rimmer]

Some Twitter posts removed

[Tropposurfer]

I don't know US Law but the sentence for this guy got seems pretty high.

You get 3 times less for rape in the US that this dufus got for his machinations. Maybe the sentence has something to do with his actions constituting some degree of flirting with a very serious Constitutional misdemeanour like 'treason' [whatever this represents to Yanks?] or something (which I'm asking the question to TV members about as I write) I am unaware of. I'm not saying he's committed treason ... I'm just wonder if lying to Congress is seen by US law as leaning towards the realm of treason, and thus what quite a few Republicans including the pres says is bad bad bad????

Todays fair on Fox News was really scathing about this as another example of righteous people being. hounded, hunted down and pillared by a conspiratorial group that hide under the umbrella named Democrat. The dude I heard today says that this trend is actually; "... an attack on the Constitution" ... "is the foundation of our democracy and The Union itself." The guy on Fox (I forget his name) also said; 'The Law allows for the Commander in Chief (The Pres) to say and comment on anything pertaining to Law as he is ultimately (via the constitution and law presiding over his role as Pres) to say anything whenever he likes about sub judici and post judicial events. In Oz under the Westminster system (differs for the Us of course) has strict rules about politicians and our head PM saying anything about the Law and Courts is verboten! The Law needs to be of the people, by the people, for the people and free from political or personal bias (whoever this person or persons might be), otherwise it can not function for all. Whether is this instance such muddying is occuring isn't within my understanding to say. 

Edited February 14, 2020 by Tropposurfer

[Farangwithaplan]

1 hour ago, Tropposurfer said:

I don't know US Law but the sentence for this guy got seems pretty high.

You get 3 times less for rape in the US that this dufus got for his machinations.

This Dufus has got anything yet. He has been found guity and is awaiting sentencing. The Prosecution have recommended a sentence to the court. The judge will then take that into consideration.

 

The Department of Justice, who is headed by a man who once wanted to be Trump's defense lawyer, has taken the highly irregular steps of intervening and changing he prosecutor's sentence recommendation.

[Silurian]

14 hours ago, webfact said:

Barr, the top U.S. law enforcement officer, said in an ABC interview that Trump's tweets "make it impossible for me to do my job."

If Barr can't do his job then he should resign.

 

I don't think the US taxpayer should pay for an AG that can't do his job.

[Chiphigh]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He should stop being president altogether. 

 

Then he can tweet all he likes. 

You have one vote to do this. Good luck with that 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 hours ago, Tropposurfer said:

I don't know US Law but the sentence for this guy got seems pretty high.

You get 3 times less for rape in the US that this dufus got for his machinations. Maybe the sentence has something to do with his actions constituting some degree of flirting with a very serious Constitutional misdemeanour like 'treason' [whatever this represents to Yanks?] or something (which I'm asking the question to TV members about as I write) I am unaware of. I'm not saying he's committed treason ... I'm just wonder if lying to Congress is seen by US law as leaning towards the realm of treason, and thus what quite a few Republicans including the pres says is bad bad bad????

Todays fair on Fox News was really scathing about this as another example of righteous people being. hounded, hunted down and pillared by a conspiratorial group that hide under the umbrella named Democrat. The dude I heard today says that this trend is actually; "... an attack on the Constitution" ... "is the foundation of our democracy and The Union itself." The guy on Fox (I forget his name) also said; 'The Law allows for the Commander in Chief (The Pres) to say and comment on anything pertaining to Law as he is ultimately (via the constitution and law presiding over his role as Pres) to say anything whenever he likes about sub judici and post judicial events. In Oz under the Westminster system (differs for the Us of course) has strict rules about politicians and our head PM saying anything about the Law and Courts is verboten! The Law needs to be of the people, by the people, for the people and free from political or personal bias (whoever this person or persons might be), otherwise it can not function for all. Whether is this instance such muddying is occuring isn't within my understanding to say. 

 

Thanks for recapping Fox New's take on all of this. If anyone wants to be fundamentally lied to and misled as to the actual pertinent facts, they absolutely are the best network for the job.

 

The fundamental issue here isn't potty mouth Trump's right to tweet on this or that. The fundamental issue is, Trump's political lieutenants in the Justice Department, presumably at Trump's direct or indirect request, overruling the career prosecutors handling the case to substantially reduce their sentencing recommendation for Stone. In other words, politically intervening in a criminal court case to try to save Trump's buddy from a potentially long prison sentence. That's simply wrong on every level, period.

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Chiphigh said:

You have one vote to do this. Good luck with that 

Good luck to all of us to remove this impeached president that acts as if he is above the law and thanks to a complicit senate, actually is. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Good luck to all of us to remove this impeached president that acts as if he is above the law and thanks to a complicit senate, actually is. 

 

Yes he is... And now he knows it... And as a result, likely will be further emboldened to who knows what more kinds of presidential illegalities and abuses.

 

I've been meaning to say for some days now... literally at this point, Trump could walk into the halls of Congress and shoot someone dead with a gun while being broadcast live on C-SPAN, and the Republican Senate would find some way/reason to ignore it. 

 

 

[Chiphigh]

27 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Good luck to all of us to remove this impeached president that acts as if he is above the law and thanks to a complicit senate, actually is. 

Your very emotionally twisted into a knot. Life is too short, get on with your life 

[Dumbastheycome]

A mad dog has slipped the leash. Now the appointed minders are running for sanctuary.

Ah well. There were people who did try to end it. Sadly the safety fence  was put around them instead !

Live to regret!

[Chiphigh]

This judge is the same one that slow walked the fast and furious trial so holder could avoid jail. 

[Jingthing]

22 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Your very emotionally twisted into a knot. Life is too short, get on with your life 

Kindly desist from your obnoxious condescending personalization of these important issues. The topics are the topics. Nobody is looking for dime store cliché life advice on these political threads.

Edited February 14, 2020 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Chiphigh said:

This judge is the same one that slow walked the fast and furious trial so holder could avoid jail. 

Now I don't have to watch Judge Jeanine and Fox and Friends today to hear the fresh 45 propaganda talking points.

[Chiphigh]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Kindly desist from your obnoxious condescending of personalization of these important issues. The topics are the topics. Nobody is looking for dime store cliché life advice on these political threads.

You constantly berate those who disagree with your opinions with condescending remarks. You can't have it both ways. 

 

 

 

 

[Chiphigh]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Now I don't have to watch Judge Jeanine and Fox and Friends today to hear the fresh 45 propaganda talking points.

Do the research 

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

You constantly berate those who disagree with your opinions with condescending remarks. You can't have it both ways. 

 

 

 

 

As it sounds that you are saying that you refuse to desist from your off topic personalized attacks on me, the only rational response I can make to that is to say Goodbye. Have a good election season and may the worst man lose. Cheers. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Chiphigh said:

Do the research 

A little bit of research reveals you joined on January 19th of this year and, uncharacteristically for such a new member, eschewed the General forum or those forums addressing the kind of questions new members are generally interested in (visa,accommodation etc).

 

You went straight to the international news forum and focused on posting pro-Trump, anti-Democrat content.

 

Odd that.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

This judge is the same one that slow walked the fast and furious trial so holder could avoid jail. 

The only tie I found between Judge Amy Jackson and the Fast and Furious case was this:

 

" A federal judge rejected Tuesday the Obama administration's claim of executive privilege to block a congressional committee from obtaining records relating to a bungled gun trafficking investigation. "

 

" The very information that the administration sought to deny investigators with the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform had been made public in 2012 by the Justice Department's inspector general's review of a Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives operation known as "Fast and Furious,'' U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson wrote in a 32-page opinion. "   https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/01/19/judge-fast-and-furious-atf/79012328/

 

I can see why Republicans would object to a Federal District Court Judge that overturns a claim of executive privilege; Trump lives behind a wall of executive privilege.  However I don't see how this she "slow walked" or did anything to impede the case.

[bristolboy]

And in move possibly related to Trump's denunciations in the Stone case according to the new york times...

Andrew McCabe, Ex-F.B.I. Official, Will Not Be Charged in Lying Case

Andrew G. McCabe, the former deputy F.B.I. director and a frequent target of President Trump, will not face charges in an investigation into whether he lied to investigators about a media leak, his defense team said on Friday.

The decision by prosecutors in Washington ends a case that had left Mr. McCabe in legal limbo for nearly two years. It also appears to be a sign that Attorney General William P. Barr wants to show that the Justice Department is independent from Mr. Trump: The notification came a day after Mr. Barr publicly challenged the president to stop attacking law enforcement officials on Twitter and said the criticisms were making his job more difficult.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/us/politics/andrew-mccabe-fbi.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

 

 

[sirineou]

Justice Department drops McCabe criminal investigation

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/14/politics/andrew-mccabe-justice-department-investigation/index.html

A simple case with limited issues and witnesses that should have being settled a long time ago but was dragged out for two years to provide the president and the republicans with talking points, and now that the impeachment is over they finally come to  the inevitable conclusion.  

IMO and the opinion of many a weaponized DOJ that is working for trump and not for the country.  

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by sirineou

[bristolboy]

19 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Justice Department drops McCabe criminal investigation

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/14/politics/andrew-mccabe-justice-department-investigation/index.html

A simple case with limited issues and witnesses that should have being settled a long time ago but was dragged out for two years to provide the president and the republicans with talking points, and now that the impeachment is over they finally come to  the inevitable conclusion.  

IMO and the opinion of many a weaponized DOJ that is working for trump and not for the country.  

 

Actually, it's probably been announced to cover the just authorized Justice Dept. investigation into the Stone prosecution. Apparently, the Justice Dept. couldn't even get a grand jury to indict McCabe. As the saying goes, prosecutors claim they can get a jury to indict a ham sandwich. That shows how week the case was. But out of vindictiveness they left McCabe hanging for months.

[sirineou]

10 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Actually, it's probably been announced to cover the just authorized Justice Dept. investigation into the Stone prosecution. Apparently, the Justice Dept. couldn't even get a grand jury to indict McCabe. As the saying goes, prosecutors claim they can get a jury to indict a ham sandwich. That shows how week the case was. But out of vindictiveness they left McCabe hanging for months.

I don't think it was only vindictiveness ,though vindictiveness had a part to play , I think it was a calculated attempt, tp provide cover for trump and  and the republicans, and now that such cover is necessary they dropped it. 

Barr's comments concerning trump's Stone tweets  is an inept attempt of fainting independants. No pne with half a brain is buying it. Lucky for trump his supporters do not have half a brain. 

Edited February 14, 2020 by sirineou

[JHolmesJr]

10 hours ago, englishoak said:

If anyone believes that whole interview wasnt managed, staged and with the blessing of POTUS your a total moron. 

you sound like a witness at the impeachment hearings.

[bristolboy]

16 minutes ago, sirineou said:

I don't think it was only vindictiveness ,though vindictiveness had a part to play , I think it was a calculated attempt, tp provide cover for trump and  and the republicans, and now that such cover is necessary they dropped it. 

Barr's comments concerning trump's Stone tweets  is an inept attempt of fainting independants. No pne with half a brain is buying it. Lucky for trump his supporters do not have half a brain. 

That's an excellent point especially in light of the fact that the DOJ couldn't even get a grand jury to indict him back in September of 2019.

Edited February 14, 2020 by bristolboy

[JHolmesJr]

31 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Actually, it's probably been announced to cover the just authorized Justice Dept. investigation into the Stone prosecution. Apparently, the Justice Dept. couldn't even get a grand jury to indict McCabe. As the saying goes, prosecutors claim they can get a jury to indict a ham sandwich. That shows how week the case was. But out of vindictiveness they left McCabe hanging for months.

 

a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

They didn't charge McCabe on minor process stuff like lying....

because once you do that you usually get stuck on it. They're saving

him to account for the really criminal stuff he did. Patience young Jedi!

 

Same with Comey...they didn't pursue perjury charges, but someone 

is looking at his bigger crimes (politically motivated criminal leaking)

very carefully. "The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards

justice."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/16/us/politics/leak-investigation-james-comey.html

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by JHolmesJr

[bristolboy]

18 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

They didn't charge McCabe on minor process stuff like lying....

because once you do that you usually get stuck on it. They're saving

him to account for the really criminal stuff he did. Patience young Jedi!

 

Same with Comey...they didn't pursue perjury charges, but someone 

is looking at his bigger crimes (politically motivated criminal leaking)

very carefully. "The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards

justice."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/16/us/politics/leak-investigation-james-comey.html

The same thing Trump supporters were saying about the Huber investigation and the Horowitz investigation. You know that a multitude of criminal indictments would ensue, including treason charges.

And I've heard reports the Jesus is coming back any day now. Which despite repeated failed predictions in the past, is a prophecy believers still cling to.