Thai court dissolves opposition party critical of military rule

[billd766]

14 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

We need the new party, 'The Fast Backwards Party', might do very well here.

It is already here but under a different name. You may recognise it as the PPRP.

[SABloke]

Can anyone explain why the money was confiscated?

If the party is being punished, and, as the court claims, the party and the lender are separate entities, then surely the money should be returned to the lender? But, if they're saying thay since Thanathorn was part of the party and thus they are punishing him directly, does it not prove that he and the party are the same entity (in the eyes of the court) and, therefore, the loan was not in fact a loan (you can't lend money to yourself).

[Eric Loh]

36 minutes ago, Mark mark said:

Yes, I am pretty sure that it was not Tanachat or any of his supporters, that burnt down Central,  (Which WAS pretty well Insured I think, and well, probably in need of Renovation any way) ....  I think that it was Taksin's supporters, (The Businesses that were attacked were all not Shinawattra enterprises either I would also not mind betting) ... 

 

…  (and do not forget the 5 Suit cases of small notes, taken out of SCB was it in 5 suit cases, for the 5 different camps by Taksin's sister to pay the guys that dd it I would say ?)

 

And more importantly the innocent Bank workers, the woman, who were killed in one of the Sky Train stations, when Taksins Black shirts (A Well-armed, totally illegal gang like militia) lobed a M79 was it, from a grenade launcher, on to it's roof, and killed them on their way home, as they suspected Army snipers to be up there ? ... Or the Hospital that they invaded, and terrorized every one there, Patients Doctors and Nurses, for an hour or so ? For the same false Reason !!! 

 

To get them all out of the city !!! With only 90 or so casualties was a pretty good feat I think, after over 2 months wasn’t it !!!

 

What would happen if Thousands of protesters Occupied Martin Place in Sydney or Piccadilly Circus in London !!! FOR 2 MONTHS !!! … and every time there was a compromise offered, … agree with it, and then as talks open, and the army relaxed a bit, .... they would be regrouped, … renege on everything, .... break all of their promises, … and just started fighting again …

 

Like only total victory would have been acceptable?  And who even know what that was supposed to be ??? … Taksin Shinawatra’s Reinstatement, and the redirection of the countries money back to his family and Friends ??? …. After he DID become a dictator also you know. !!!

You think too much. Try thinking how many coups and how many times the military mowed down their own people. Or perhaps how many times the constitution was ripped and laws changed to disadvantage the people freedom of choice, expression and opinion. 

[Pancho]

It should be pointed out , since the junta, the whole, complete nation, the youth, are now armed with a incredibly powerful weapon. A smart phone. This will have an impact never seen before.

[Susco]

Not sure if it has been posted before, but I found this an interesting read.

 

https://th.usembassy.gov/statement-on-the-dissolution-of-the-future-forward-party-in-thailand/?fbclid=IwAR2JxMTZibPeDbuv-gidCyCcz4kv3IxMFqZqznrWPev_HhziIM5Sboch8x4

[chickenslegs]

6 minutes ago, SABloke said:

Can anyone explain why the money was confiscated?

If the party is being punished, and, as the court claims, the party and the lender are separate entities, then surely the money should be returned to the lender? But, if they're saying thay since Thanathorn was part of the party and thus they are punishing him directly, does it not prove that he and the party are the same entity (in the eyes of the court) and, therefore, the loan was not in fact a loan (you can't lend money to yourself).

He would only be permitted to donate 10M Baht to the party. More would be unlawful.

It was clearly a loan, nothing was hidden. The CC decided that the loan was intended to give him undue influence in the party.

Personally I think the CC decision was wrong, but not unexpected.

They haven't finished with Thanathorn yet. They want him completely eliminated from politics as an example to others who might challenge the system.

[NanLaew]

6 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

I find hard to understand the manner which the learned judges inability to distinguish the different between loan and donation. The Act spelt out specifically the legal context for donation not loan. 

Because they were TOLD to make the distinction that favored against FF. In the unlikely event that any members of the incumbent government or their supporting parties come before the same court for similar, alleged malfeasance, you can rest assured that a contrary distinction will be made.

[Mark mark]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You think too much. Try thinking how many coups and how many times the military mowed down their own people. Or perhaps how many times the constitution was ripped and laws changed to disadvantage the people freedom of choice, expression and opinion. 

Well, I think that the military has mowed down very few of their own people here, considering that it WAS a third world country, and not even democratic not so long ago,

 

… and considering its location, between Cambodia ! Still Commie Laos, totally corrupt Military Myanmar, and their new so called democratic leader that cannot even protect their Muslim Minority properly, or even admit the murder, rape and the burning down of whole communities, ... and 6 million active separatists in the South !!! ... I think that Thailand actually does pretty well, in well, after the argument, .... Moderate control of it's own people.

 

Though I cannot disagree with you on how stuffed up the Constitution is, and how badly it get abused .... All I can probably say is .... <Deleted> Politicians !!! ... And Military ones also !!!  All just the same, as all of the rest of them .... And across Borders !!! Like Internationally !!!. All around the world. Like the EU, Australia !!! A LOT of Talk ? But how much Positive action except when it can earn them votes ? ??? Or the money to buy them with. And well, let’s not even get on to the US. …

[geoffrobbo]

Why did they bother with an election in the first place. Complete waste of time. Foregone conclusion and opposition will be suppressed.

[metisdead]

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[holy cow cm]

51 minutes ago, SABloke said:

Can anyone explain why the money was confiscated?

If the party is being punished, and, as the court claims, the party and the lender are separate entities, then surely the money should be returned to the lender? But, if they're saying thay since Thanathorn was part of the party and thus they are punishing him directly, does it not prove that he and the party are the same entity (in the eyes of the court) and, therefore, the loan was not in fact a loan (you can't lend money to yourself).

It will be used as evidence against him and them on their criminal trial as it was deemed illegal against the law. Don’t think it is all rosey and sugar as it is no where near done. 

[4MyEgo]

21 minutes ago, geoffrobbo said:

Why did they bother with an election in the first place. Complete waste of time. Foregone conclusion and opposition will be suppressed.

Umm to appease the public who were calling for it and were becoming restless at the caretaker (military) government being in power. 

 

Those 5 years gave the general a lot to do what he wanted to do, i.e. rewrite the constitution and make things work for him when he knew he would become PM, even before announcing he was going to run for the top job, e.g. 350 of the 500 senate seats given preference to the military, noting that anyone would have Buckley's of ousting him as PM given the fact that they would need at least half the senate seats...., remember 350 are military seats, then he made sure that the constitution couldn't be changed for 20 years.

 

The last time I heard of a constitution being changed, it had to be voted on by a democratically elected government, which at the time, Prayut was not officially democratically elected, he was the caretaker of the government, until a democratic election could take place, and then he was to hand over his caretaker roll to the incoming elected PM, the fact that he ran for PM in my opinion constitutes a breach of his roll and the constitution, no doubt he put something in the new constitution that allowed him to run as PM, conflict of interest would serve as a better word, but this is Thai politics at it's best.

 

All we have to do now is wait to see if there will be another coup as 6 million people voted for the FFP which has now been dissolved, that means there will be a lot of disgruntled voters out there, what comes of it, well, probably nothing, but if the current general feels the current PM is not serving his country best who knows he might stage a coup, that said he would have to get the King to sign off on it and we all know that that ain't going to happen, unless the King gets worried that he might have a bigger problem than anticipated and use him as the scapegoat ?

 

Power to the people, interesting times ahead me thinks.

[DaveE13]

By all accounts cha cha wrote on his Twitter and FB accounts about the verdict but was taken down because he was badly criticised on it.

The guy is a bafoon. 

 

 

 

Edited February 22, 2020 by DaveE13

[Enoon]

1 hour ago, BobbyL said:

The party may be gone, but the ideology isn't and won't be eradicated. A man who on here probably can't be named posted on his social media a great post with regards to yesterday's goings on and how this day will be looked back on in future generations as the beginning of real change here. 

 

As others have mentioned numerous times, the FFP supporters aren't your poor red shirt Isaan farmers coming to Bangkok to protest for some beer money. A huge percentage of their millions of followers are the young generation who can read the truth online and not be brainwashed and indoctrinated anymore. This number will steadily increase after yesterday, there will be no question about that. It has been a disastrous month for the people who are really running this country. 

 

There was nearly 2 million tweets yesterday using the prominent hashtag. Very critical tweets about not only the government, the military, but also towards an establishment that people would never have been openly negative about a few years ago. 

 

Thailand hasn't changed yet, but you can see that it is slowly beginning and yesterday will help speed that up. 

 

 

 

FF told the Army to get out of politics and voted against a Royal Decree.

 

The mould is broken, everybody knows it.

 

The ball is rolling, there's no stopping it.

 

 

 

[newnative]

  So, there needs to be a new party formed with the same ideals as FF to get geared up for the next election down the road.  The opposition to the military rule is still there--it needs a new party to rally to. 

[fordguy61mi]

When I see the word “progressive” in the name of a party it sends a red flag up to me. ProgressIves in the US are trying to ruin the country with their unAmerican policies and socialist open border agenda. Hopefully another party better than this one will come along and end military rule but not every party is good for the country. Be careful what you wish for.

[metisdead]

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[DaveE13]

1 minute ago, rhyddid said:

Well done.\, no one is above the law, worst if you are a tycoon who got rich over the sweats of the poor and now pretend to teach the people how to manage a country,

 

UN shall make a global law, forbidding any billionaire to enter politics, shall a billionaire decide to enter politics, shall have the courage so sell all the property, investment and securities .

So where did the army generals who are billionaires get their wealth from?  

[Arthur Mullard]

12 hours ago, Grumpy John said:

Will this be the watershed moment that sees Thailand revisit the goings on in 2014?  My guess is it could be far worse this time.  Prayut is about as popular as a barbed wire enima. A certain someone who cannot be named hasn't won the minds or hearts of the people....well those around here.  Dark days are on the horizon,  It's just how dark has to be determined.  

I'd hate to put recent events in the country, together with your accurate albeit subjective, and rather painful analogy (no pun intended), and come to any conclusions involving guns, no matter how unpopular the low-grade-looking bank clerk is - but rather him than me, at this wobbly, unpredictable time.

[ParkerN]

17 minutes ago, Arthur Mullard said:

I'd hate to put recent events in the country, together with your accurate albeit subjective, and rather painful analogy (no pun intended), and come to any conclusions involving guns, no matter how unpopular the low-grade-looking bank clerk is - but rather him than me, at this wobbly, unpredictable time.

My guess would be that the Thai society will continue to fragment and fall apart, but that there will be no armed uprising or anything like that - Thais do not have the stomach for that, and frankly, the goings-on of Prayuth and his merry band do not have an obvious impact on day-to-day life for most Thais. That would (I think) require more intelligence than is available. So I think the descent into chaos will continue until the amartya take some action. which is unlikely to benefit the average Somchai.

[rumak]

i will read the (so far)  12 pages of comments for entertainment at my leisure.   

It was probably 50 years ago when someone asked me who I was going to vote for.

Even at that age I knew that it did not matter .

 

 

[scorecard]

44 minutes ago, rhyddid said:

Well done.\, no one is above the law, worst if you are a tycoon who got rich over the sweats of the poor and now pretend to teach the people how to manage a country,

 

UN shall make a global law, forbidding any billionaire to enter politics, shall a billionaire decide to enter politics, shall have the courage so sell all the property, investment and securities .

Your first para; do some reading on this guy, your post is very inaccurate in several ways. 

[BobbyL]

2 hours ago, DaveE13 said:

By all accounts cha cha wrote on his Twitter and FB accounts about the verdict but was taken down because he was badly criticised on it.

The guy is a bafoon. 

 

 

 

He did and he received thousands of negative comments in a short time and then removed the post ????

[kensawadee]

16 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Thanathorn said on Friday night he plans to start a foundation for education and a committee to campaign for political reform.

GO FOR IT, MAN..... I Wish you luck, sincerely..... I am farang and can't help but YOU are on the 'Right Path'..... GO FOR IT.....

Somebody needs to do something to save all my Thai friends from starvation (and illiteracy) while this Gov't pockets a fortune of YOUR (poor Thai folks) money.... No improvements of schools or 'Medical Care' has improved since the 'Regime's Coup' years ago (2014).... ANY IMPROVRMENTS might be found in 'off-shore accounts' of Phrayut and his Co-harts.....  

Other countries have gone thru this in the past (with good luck).... Looks like it is Thailands 'turn' now...... YOU have MY blessings.....

[rumak]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

What can one even say? If there was any doubt that the army DOES NOT represent the Thai people, here it is. I rest my case, your honor. The only hope the nation had of restoring democracy and competence, has now been outlawed by a very insecure bunch of overly entitled men, who care not one iota for their people. 

 

This is the opposite of justice. And the people know it. The FFP was very popular. The popularity of the army has been sinking for years. They are now despised even more than ever. Just wait. The people WILL have a say in this, hopefully. The light cannot be held back forever. 

 

The youth is the hope of this nation. And many of them are active, and really care. Just wait Prayuth. You will eventually be ushered out the door, in a very inglorious manner! 

I guess the saying is "i admire your optimism".   have to admit that Rumak is more in the " you really believe that ???"  camp .   The common man had next to no control before,  now with technology they know your every move .   My opinions are held closer and closer to my chest,

so much so that I think they only exit when I need to fart.  

 

Your post above can be very easily related to the "nation"  where I escaped from as well.

The rich and powerful only increase their positions.   We are allowed a bit of keyboard antics,

and I'm sure we are the butt of their jokes,  if they even think of us at all.

[NoComment]

LOS?????

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, DaveE13 said:

2 hours ago, rhyddid said:

Well done.\, no one is above the law, worst if you are a tycoon who got rich over the sweats of the poor and now pretend to teach the people how to manage a country,

 

UN shall make a global law, forbidding any billionaire to enter politics, shall a billionaire decide to enter politics, shall have the courage so sell all the property, investment and securities .

So where did the army generals who are billionaires get their wealth from? 

Yeah @rhyddid we are waiting for your justification as to why you reckon Thai politico's, especially the ex- military ones, should get a free pass from this fanciful UN mandate.

 

Hello? @rhyddid ?... hello?

[djayz]

Who here didn't see this coming? 

And I didn't even need to go to a fortune teller to know the outcome! 

The cards are stacked against those who oppose. 

[tomacht8]

The chance of attracting EU investments has decreased significantly.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30382641?utm_source=bottom_relate&utm_medium=internal_referral

Edited February 22, 2020 by tomacht8

[greeneking]

5 hours ago, DaveE13 said:

By all accounts cha cha wrote on his Twitter and FB accounts about the verdict but was taken down because he was badly criticised on it.

The guy is a bafoon. 

 

 

 

Great new word!

'The guy is a bafoon.' 

Half baboon and half buffoon...I'm with you.