Dumbastheycome Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Isaanbiker said: I'm in no way stigmatizing the girls and ladyboys; they are ordinary people in my book. My apologies if my wording irritated you. I don't want to be around people who had sexual contact with the Chinese and other people who might carry the virus without even knowing it. And that's what prostitutes usually do for a living. I doubt that anybody's checking somebody's passport before they go to have some fun. I'm sorry but I do detect an element of bias in your expressions of concern. The fact is that it will not only be those who have for some considerable time been "closely" involved in an aspect of the tourist trade which may be a primary risk of transmission of various communicable disease including C-19 s of current concern but also the vast numbers of those associated with the overall tourist industry who will also take the opportunity or be forced to return to home provinces. Places such as Pattaya are not populated as a majority by "prostitutes" from Isaan despite the sexpat perceptions. I would have no idea of how many outnumber them that are also people from the North East provinces that are equally effected at this time in terms of economic reality and in associated terms are just as likely to be potential carriers as they gravitate "home". Perhaps credit for some initiative could be accorded to the Buriram Governor for anticipating such a return influx by instituting some measures including screening entry into the province? Effective immediately in prevention or not it has certainly raised awareness generally in people. Provided that awareness is not corrupted by fringe elements it can only be to advantage. Who is the person I need be suspicious of? The Bar girl from Korat or the 60 year old noodle seller from Maha Sarakam who used to feed her at 4.00 am most days on the golden streets of Pattaya? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post geriatrickid Posted March 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2020 I know I am repeating myself, but we are seeing a replay of HIV infection in Thailand. Similar pattern. The difference here is that these people will be coming home and paying respects to their elderly relatives, and giving them the gift of death. I expect that we will see a peak 30 days after Songkran. 5-10 days for infection, 16 or so days for infection to become critical +/- 4 days. This is going to rip the heart out of Thailand once the stabilizing presence of their parents is lost. Those old people are the glue of social cohesion in the country. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 35 minutes ago, steven100 said: yes, i would think bar girls carry many hidden viruses. yes, i would think some forum members carry many hidden misconceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Way too deep, it'll go over most heads I fear, For the purpose of the exercise, assume everybody either shagged an invisible Chinese (invisible because their Government has locked them in) or has become infected off a smelly unwashed farang, and then shared a cheeky tequila with 47 of her mates and they're all lifting with the sniffles, sorry the deadly coronavirus. Rinse and repeat for every bar in Pattaya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, geriatrickid said: I know I am repeating myself, Hey, stick with what you do best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAINT THOMAS Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 There is nothing wrong with someone worrying about those that they love, I worrying about my wife who is 66 years old and had kidney cancer in 2001 and only has 1 kidney now taking care of our 8 dogs alone in our house until I get back of getting this virus, though I know its not in my hands. While others worry about the local Spreaders they frequent or have nothing but foreign friends since being in Thailand or the beer being cold enough or offended their lifestyle may be in question prancing lady boy lovers. While "Science" that has never proven anything { but for argument sake } has not done studies of whether COVID-19 can be contracted through Sex like so many other viruses that do while swapping bodily fluids. I think it would be safe to say it can through Sex and the odds of a Spreader being a carrier is much higher and can then Infect others through Contact. An affair between a married woman and her former lover led to an entire Argentinian town going into quarantine in order to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. Selva, a town of about 2,500 residents, is on lockdown and appears to be a ghost town during parts of the day, the Argentine newspaper Clarin reported on Tuesday. https://www.newsweek.com/entire-town-under-quarantine-because-man-returned-after-having-affair-woman-who-had-1493002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logosone Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 From that link "The woman in Córdoba was quickly identified by local authorities in her city and placed in quarantine, as was her husband." So not only is the husband publicly exposed as a cuckold and has a wife that cheats on him, he now also has covid19 courtesy of his cheating wife. Wow, what a lovely story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaanbiker Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Logosone said: From that link "The woman in Córdoba was quickly identified by local authorities in her city and placed in quarantine, as was her husband." So not only is the husband publicly exposed as a cuckold and has a wife that cheats on him, he now also has covid19 courtesy of his cheating wife. Wow, what a lovely story. It's time to pray then..........https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/2020/03/18/chanting-of-anti-plague-prayer-to-be-broadcast-live-on-tv/?fbclid=IwAR3GtS6-pE3yZ7bQb0elYIdhz-sxvkARhKw7z2p3FTAO96Y1rD9hGNYsRBg 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logosone Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) Meanwhile husbands everywhere are praying their wives are not cheating with anyone that has covid19. Instant quarantine arrest for the innocent party. Edited March 19, 2020 by Logosone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baansgr Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Most will try the internet first...a few friends have said their regulars are now offering threesomes and foursomes with their friends....negotions are crucial but bargains are being had. Less internet savvy ones will have to return to free roof and rice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupidfarang Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 16 hours ago, Isaanbiker said: I'm in no way stigmatizing the girls and ladyboys; they are ordinary people in my book. My apologies if my wording irritated you. I don't want to be around people who had sexual contact with the Chinese and other people who might carry the virus without even knowing it. And that's what prostitutes usually do for a living. I doubt that anybody's checking somebody's passport before they go to have some fun. Regardless of what profession a person has, the virus is out there and effecting people from all walks of life. Also the virus can remain on surfaces for around 9 days so ATM machines, money, door handles etc... Best practice is personal hygiene, hand washing with soap etc.. Keep your distance from people. At the end of the day the virus may effect most of the world and hopefully those who have had the virus will be immune (though there is a possibilty that there are 2 strains of the coronavirus). If you have underlining health issuses then staying at home for the next few months may be an option. The virus makes no exemptions for age, type of work you do, borders, nationality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupidfarang Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Important info, Anti-inflammatories may aggravate Covid-19, France advises French minister says patients should take paracetamol rather than ibuprofen or cortisone. There is a debate on this with some doctors saying it does not worsen the conditions. The NHS website previously recommended both paracetamol and ibuprofen, but has since changed its advice to say that while "there is currently no strong evidence that ibuprofen can make coronavirus (Covid-19) worse... until we have more information, take paracetamol to treat the symptoms of coronavirus, unless your doctor has told you paracetamol is not suitable for you." Those already taking ibuprofen for other conditions should not stop without consulting a doctor, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiBunny Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, stupidfarang said: Important info, Anti-inflammatories may aggravate Covid-19, France advises French minister says patients should take paracetamol rather than ibuprofen or cortisone. There is a debate on this with some doctors saying it does not worsen the conditions. The NHS website previously recommended both paracetamol and ibuprofen, but has since changed its advice to say that while "there is currently no strong evidence that ibuprofen can make coronavirus (Covid-19) worse... until we have more information, take paracetamol to treat the symptoms of coronavirus, unless your doctor has told you paracetamol is not suitable for you." Those already taking ibuprofen for other conditions should not stop without consulting a doctor, though. Ibuprofen is never recommended for the over-50 anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 My wife says the "local" katoey from her village is trying to return home from Germany as business is dropping off. Oops that's another joke! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnacha Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 1:15 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Regular soap doesn't kill this particular virus at all, no matter how long the length of time the two come together. However, a good extended handwashing with regular soap will REMOVE any virus elements off the surface of your skin along with oils, dirt, etc.... So it accomplishes its purpose, but not in the same way as alcohol or other things that kill on contact. That is not actually how soap works. On contact, the fat-like substances in soap, known as amphiphiles, disintegrate the fatty outer layer of lipids that protect the virus. This applies to all viruses. This happens regardless of whether you use hot or cold water. Sure, the action of washing your hands will remove all microscopic debris, but the virus has already fallen apart by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, donnacha said: That is not actually how soap works. On contact, the fat-like substances in soap, known as amphiphiles, disintegrate the fatty outer layer of lipids that protect the virus. This applies to all viruses. This happens regardless of whether you use hot or cold water. Sure, the action of washing your hands will remove all microscopic debris, but the virus has already fallen apart by then. Thanks for that.. Interesting topic, and a good read. I stand corrected about the chemical ability of soap to kill coronaviruses and various others. Though according to this NYT article, soap and subsequent brisk rubbing and rinsing does also play a role in removing/loosening bacteria and viruses that are stuck to the skin. So it's a dual pronged impact. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/health/soap-coronavirus-handwashing-germs.html Quote In tandem, some soap molecules disrupt the chemical bonds that allow bacteria, viruses and grime to stick to surfaces, lifting them off the skin. Micelles can also form around particles of dirt and fragments of viruses and bacteria, suspending them in floating cages. When you rinse your hands, all the microorganisms that have been damaged, trapped and killed by soap molecules are washed away. But I thought this part was the most interesting part, in comparing how soap vs 60+% alcohol hand sanitizers function. Seems like a pretty compelling argument overall for soap over alcohol based products, which came as a surprise for me! Quote On the whole, hand sanitizers are not as reliable as soap. Sanitizers with at least 60 percent ethanol do act similarly, defeating bacteria and viruses by destabilizing their lipid membranes. But they cannot easily remove microorganisms from the skin. There are also viruses that do not depend on lipid membranes to infect cells, as well as bacteria that protect their delicate membranes with sturdy shields of protein and sugar. Examples include bacteria that can cause meningitis, pneumonia, diarrhea and skin infections, as well as the hepatitis A virus, poliovirus, rhinoviruses and adenoviruses (frequent causes of the common cold). These more resilient microbes are generally less susceptible to the chemical onslaught of ethanol and soap. But vigorous scrubbing with soap and water can still expunge these microbes from the skin, which is partly why hand-washing is more effective than sanitizer. Alcohol-based sanitizer is a good backup when soap and water are not accessible. Edited March 20, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaanbiker Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 Our son just came back after he lost his job as a photographer to the sweet virus from Wuhan. I'll closely monitor him, regardless of what he's telling me. But I'll also try to find out how many Isaan people he knows who'll come back soon. For two days, my wife, who's working at a restaurant in the lower northeast, is continually talking about NOT going anywhere. The customers at her place are mostly government employees and those who work at the local hospital. It's quite exciting and scary at the same time how the freaking virus from China has changed our lives. Who knows if we still got a job? Everything seems to be possible right now. Nobody is talking about accidents anymore. Many thanks to China and their communist government that kept silent when it should have warned other countries. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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