Thai traditional doctor suggests eating Thai herbs to increase immunity

[Canuck1966]

9 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

From my reading of "peer reviewed" reseach does not support your hypothesis. 

There has been controversy about this for decades

The research I did many years ago was not financed from "big pharma", they were independent studies 

I remain very skeptical of many claims from self interested sites 

Vit C is water soluable, not retained in cells.

Paulings studies and claims have been debunked many times.

Many studies done with Vit C and in larger doses can be detrimental to kidneys over a period of time.

 

Vitamin D is the key, UK studies show it works amazingly against these types of viruses

20 mins in the sun in Thailand every day

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by Canuck1966

[Moonlover]

52 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Certainly a good reason for social distancing.

You're not the first one to say that! ????

 

[DrTuner]

It's a new virus, there is no immunity yet.

[mauGR1]

4 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Never heard of most of that stuff, neither has the Mrs, you can't increase your immunity anyway

Perhaps the wording is wrong, but surely herbs, together with a proper diet and a healthy lifestyle, can give you a boost in fighting illnesses.

As far as i know, this virus is very contagious, but not everyone gets even sick.

[morrobay]

21 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

As far as i know, this virus is very contagious, but not everyone gets even sick.

You mean some that are infected are mild or asymptomatic. About 75%. While some that are exposed are not infected. The virus  concentration in any exposure can vary: Obviously the spray from an infected person is more contagious  than some of the virus on a surface*.  And then an individuals immune state can also determine if exposure results in infection.

* there have been no documented infections from surfaces. see middle first paragraph.

 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/election-polling-locations.html

Edited March 23, 2020 by morrobay

[stephenterry]

2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Caution should be exercised when using Turmeric  for those on blood thining medications 

 

I'm on warfarin and take turmeric daily. A teaspoon  - who would binge on more? - doesn't affect my INR count. 

Why?

Because bodily ingestion outcome is not based on a reductionist approach towards nutrition. It's a combination of many nutrients that feed the body -and to take one small dose nutrient as being a cause of concern is nonsensical. 

[justin case]

lovely to see that "experts about nothing" have opinions about things they know nothing about it

 

people should stop eating/drinking so much sugar (and msg/transfat/colorants/flavors laden foods), with stops your white blood cells to kill bacteria & virus

[RJRS1301]

11 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

I'm on warfarin and take turmeric daily. A teaspoon  - who would binge on more? - doesn't affect my INR count. 

Why?

Because bodily ingestion outcome is not based on a reductionist approach towards nutrition. It's a combination of many nutrients that feed the body -and to take one small dose nutrient as being a cause of concern is nonsensical. 

The word was "caution", I did not say reduce. 

Surgeons recommend ceasing before any surgery due increased risk of bleeding, whether on blood thinners or not.

Each individual is precisely that, and many take more than Teaspoon it seems

there is often a thought of "a little is good, then more is better"

Turmeric active ingredient cucurmin is a blood thinner 

It was a cautionary suggestion. 

Edited March 23, 2020 by RJRS1301

[justin case]

32 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

It's a new virus, there is no immunity yet.

lol, immunity is in your body

 

you ability to fight foreign invaders

 

live on mcjunk, soda, 7/11 frankenfood,  add medication that stop natural processes in your body to make you feel better, not CURE anything and expect to be healthy ?

 

if the traditional doctor suggests to eat more REAL food, that is a bad thing ?

 

real food by the way, is what does not have a label with many chemicals as ingredients on it...

[nervona81732]

Good advice. Nature has the answeres

[stephenterry]

7 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

The word was "caution", I did not say reduce. 

Surgeons recommend ceasing before any surgery due increased risk of bleeding, whether on blood thinners or not.

Each individual is precisely that, and many take more than Teaspoon it seems

there is often a thought of "a little is good, then more is better"

Turmeric active ingredient cucurmin is a blood thinner 

It was a cautionary suggestion. 

As I posted, to highlight one nutrient is a reductionist approach towards nutrition, however a well-meaning caution. I could name many foods  - as probably you could - that either increase or decrease the effects of taking 'blood clot blockers' like warfarin.

 

Obviously, surgeons won't operate if INR levels are high to not risk excessive bleeding - they don't specify what foods to not eat, just to cease warfarin until the INR drops to lower the risk.

 

 

 

[Chazar]

4 hours ago, AlexRich said:

I have it on good authority that “making merit” shields you from Covid-19 ... and amulets. 

no  its  crossing  your  fingers  and drinking the  blood  of  a  virgin

[RJRS1301]

4 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

As I posted, to highlight one nutrient is a reductionist approach towards nutrition, however a well-meaning caution. I could name many foods  - as probably you could - that either increase or decrease the effects of taking 'blood clot blockers' like warfarin.

 

Obviously, surgeons won't operate if INR levels are high to not risk excessive bleeding - they don't specify what foods to not eat, just to cease warfarin until the INR drops to lower the risk.

 

 

 

The post I responded to was only about Turmeric

My surgeon specifically asked about "turmeric" last week, and he knows I am not on any other medication of any description.

 

[lordblackader]

No I'm 100% sure we're f^^^^^. 

[Rancid]

5 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Never heard of most of that stuff, neither has the Mrs, you can't increase your immunity anyway

I would disagree with your statement, immunity is improved by maximizing your immune system. This has been common knowledge for hundreds of years. Monied interests and their media cohorts wish us to believe otherwise to sell more drugs and vaccines, things that including poor lifestyles that actually weaken your immune system. We can choose to believe whichever we choose, however a little research would no doubt help with an objective decision.

[stephenterry]

33 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

The post I responded to was only about Turmeric

My surgeon specifically asked about "turmeric" last week, and he knows I am not on any other medication of any description.

 

Thank you for that clarification, but IMO, and with respect, you should challenge your surgeon  - not because of his/her technical ability with the knife - but he/she has evidenced zilch about the effects of bodily ingestion of nutrition as a whole, not just one cherry-picking item - as do the majority of doctors, because nutritional science is not, and has never been, a compulsory part of their medical training. 

 

However, if you only consumed turmeric and no other food, including no other meds, it would be a reasonable question to ask. While I appreciate you pointing out turmeric  - an essential anti inflammatory - it's not the ONLY food that could cause blood thinning - or blood clotting.

 

Do you now see why to isolate one specific item can never be the whole solution? 

[CGW]

11 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

because nutritional science is not, and has never been, a compulsory part of their medical training. 

Indeed! I am replying to this in the hope having read this twice more people will realise this fact and stop listening to & quoting "Doctors" who know zilch about nutrition in the vast majority of instances!

[bkkcanuck8]

5 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

How so oh wise one?

I would not rule out any of the traditional remedies since a lot of the drugs came from learning from traditional medicines.   Odds are some of them have definite benefits, some probably don't but varying ones diet in itself is good for your health. 

[RJRS1301]

42 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Thank you for that clarification, but IMO, and with respect, you should challenge your surgeon  - not because of his/her technical ability with the knife - but he/she has evidenced zilch about the effects of bodily ingestion of nutrition as a whole, not just one cherry-picking item - as do the majority of doctors, because nutritional science is not, and has never been, a compulsory part of their medical training. 

 

However, if you only consumed turmeric and no other food, including no other meds, it would be a reasonable question to ask. While I appreciate you pointing out turmeric  - an essential anti inflammatory - it's not the ONLY food that could cause blood thinning - or blood clotting.

 

Do you now see why to isolate one specific item can never be the whole solution? 

I could point out several inconsistencies and misunderstandings in your post, but I cannot put anymore energy into this, as a discussion requires an open and enquiring mind

 

I would also add I  have a backgroung in medical science and health, among other qualifications. The surgeon concerned also holds  a masters in nutrition among many of their qualifications, as well as medicine.

 

[Lacessit]

I don't know about the immunity side. However, I would suggest the Thai love of chili and garlic in many dishes may have a protective effect.

[morrobay]

32 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I don't know about the immunity side. However, I would suggest the Thai love of chili and garlic in many dishes may have a protective effect.

Sure and remember that plants evolved with natural selection too. So these phytochemicals were selected for protecting the plant against antigens in the environment. 

[stephenterry]

47 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

I could point out several inconsistencies and misunderstandings in your post, but I cannot put anymore energy into this, as a discussion requires an open and enquiring mind

 

I would also add I  have a backgroung in medical science and health, among other qualifications. The surgeon concerned also holds  a masters in nutrition among many of their qualifications, as well as medicine.

 

Put it this way - for uninformed posters on this site to be cautioned against taking turmeric, without amplifying the rationale, borders on malpractice particularly if they're currently absorbing high Vit K1 foods - which as you should know, being familiar with medical science, if not compensated, by nutrients like turmeric, could lead to a blood clot.

 

And please don't lecture me on my 'misunderstandings' as I'm perfectly capable of understanding nutritional benefits on human health. My background is a lifetime 50+ dietary vegetarian regime  - now no oil WFPB +Vit B12 -  and the last few years of retirement studying nutritional science. Seems like your med background could need an update revision.

 

BTW, as an aside, the third most common cause of mortality (never published) in the USA are medical mistakes /misunderstandings/malpractice - after heart attacks and strokes, but greater than cancer related deaths. Maybe your specialist surgeon could comment on that?

[trainman34014]

8 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Never heard of most of that stuff, neither has the Mrs, you can't increase your immunity anyway

Was kinda wondering myself until i got to Apples; Onions, Shallots, Basil and Citrus Fruit, all of which we eat every week, so not much to be learned from this 'Boffin'.

[Caldera]

It's quack o'clock, unsurprisingly.

 

[Orton Rd]

Just got back from the pharmacy, they still have chloroquinine so the locals have not been buying it up, I got some azithromycin to go with it and even got 4 masks for 10 baht at big C, which was almost deserted. Never thought much of pure herbal remedies having dated a girl who worked in a herbal clinic in the 70's, she did not think much to the results either.

[Yadon Toploy]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

I don't know about the immunity side. However, I would suggest the Thai love of chili and garlic in many dishes may have a protective effect.

The Italians eat quite a lot of garlic I believe. 

[owl sees all]

22 minutes ago, Caldera said:

It's quack o'clock, unsurprisingly.

 

At last, a bit of common from a Thai.

 

Half of the medicines in the pharmacy have their roots based on natural ingredients.

 

I've been singing the praises of garlic and ginger and mushrooms for years on TVForum. Now some Thai Doctor has actually read my posts. Good for him. He is enlightened now.

 

Let's hear it for reishi wine and three cheers for the Doc' while we are about it.

 

Notice in the 'west' we have virtually eradicated the word 'chemist' and replaced it with 'pharmacy'. Not by accident that.

[DrTuner]

Roll in the quacks, snake oil salesmen and other assorted small time crooks. Show must go on.

[CGW]

9 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Roll in the quacks, snake oil salesmen and other assorted small time crooks. Show must go on.

Rely on "Big Pharma" to save us all?

[DrTuner]

9 minutes ago, CGW said:

Rely on "Big Pharma" to save us all?

They don't have anything either. It's darwinism in action now.