China is the Winner - That is a Real Reason to Worry

[Pilotman]

This report today below, following on from the 'World Economic Forum's report that the World will enter the biggest and longest depression in living memory if the restrictions presently imposed in most countries are allowed to continue, is the true reason for all right minded people to worry. Where is the end game politicians? At some point, risks are going to have to be taken, maybe very big ones, if a bigger disaster is not to unfold as economies collapse . 

 

 

There is scant comfort for Britain and other Western democracies in seeing China - the source of the deadly Covid-19 virus - emerging so rapidly and strongly from the crisis.  

The Chinese economy is already up and running again even as the US, the UK and other nations are battling to hold back the tide of illness, death and economic destruction plunging them into a recession 'worse than the global financial crisis', according to the International Monetary Fund. 

What is becoming clear is that by ramping up production and driving recovery, China could be the big winner from the global downturn - and that is an alarming prospect. 

The ability of its leader, Xi Jinping, to invoke the ruthless powers of the state to combat coronavirus and to make sure dissenting voices were silenced gave the Chinese a huge advantage. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Pilotman

[Thailand]

Not a fan of China and Chinese then?

[UbonThani]

Simple solution. Rest of world puts high import duty on Chinese goods and compulsory quarantine.

[FritsSikkink]

Why would you worry because a country did all the things necessary to fight the virus?

Would you be happier if more people died there?

[FritsSikkink]

2 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

Simple solution. Rest of world puts high import duty on Chinese goods and compulsory quarantine.

You do know that the inhabitants of the rest of the world need to pay these duties and not China.

[jimmjam]

Awesome, i work for the Chinese.????, not a very pleasant bunch sometimes, but atleast they still pay me.

[NanLaew]

The issue isn't with the Chinese people, it's with the Communist Party of China.

 

 

[UbonThani]

8 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

You do know that the inhabitants of the rest of the world need to pay these duties and not China.

Not if they dont buy. Once they lose their pricing advantage other nations increase output and get the sales. Put in a 10 year plan to phase out any power they have.

[FritsSikkink]

2 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

Not if they dont buy. Once they lose their pricing advantage other nations increase output and get the sales. Put in a 10 year plan to phase out any power they have.

Sure, it is working great for the USA economy.

[UbonThani]

3 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Sure, it is working great for the USA economy.

Benefits Thailand and Vietnam.

[cornishcarlos]

18 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Not a fan of China and Chinese then?

 

Anyone who takes this potential economic threat lightly, might be in for a big shock....

When you look at what they've done and the position they are in now, compared to the other major players, you'd be a fool to ignore what might be happening.

Very soon they will be in a position to buy up more (land, industry etc) than they ever were before..

[LennyW]

They will have their pick in Thailand of distressed hotels and business's!!

 

[Thailand]

1 hour ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Anyone who takes this potential economic threat lightly, might be in for a big shock....

When you look at what they've done and the position they are in now, compared to the other major players, you'd be a fool to ignore what might be happening.

Very soon they will be in a position to buy up more (land, industry etc) than they ever were before..

You mean like a China first policy?

[Pilotman]

1 hour ago, Thailand said:

Not a fan of China and Chinese then?

I am not a fan of their politics, or their totalitarianism.  I lived among the Chinese, albeit in Taiwan, for over 10 years, no issue with Mainlands, just with their duplicitous leaders 

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

You do know that the inhabitants of the rest of the world need to pay these duties and not China.

Ho doesn’t know in which province he resides so I doubt if economics is his forte lol. Sorry, just joking, couldn’t resist. Mods, please remove if against forum rules. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Gweiloman

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, UbonThani said:

Not if they dont buy. Once they lose their pricing advantage other nations increase output and get the sales. Put in a 10 year plan to phase out any power they have.

If the ROW stop buying Chinese made products, the economic fallout would be 1,000x worse. 

[Gweiloman]

27 minutes ago, Thailand said:

You mean like a China first policy?

Trump wanted a trade war with China. He’s getting what he wished for

[cornishcarlos]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

Trump wanted a trade war with China. He’s getting what he wished for

 

And they are smashing him at the moment... Lets see how he fairs in the middle rounds ??

I've definitely got China up on my scorecards after the first couple rounds !!

[losworld]

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

Why would you worry because a country did all the things necessary to fight the virus?

Would you be happier if more people died there?

So the right things are:

1) deny the virus exists when it is discovered

2) humiliate and threaten the whistleblowers 

3) pretend there is no problem and encourage your citizens to travel the world knowing full well they are spreading it

4) eventually admit there is a problem

5) lock down tens of millions and fudge the death toll numbers

6) tell everyone it is once again under control

7) encourage your citizens to travel and spread the virus

8 rinse and repeat

[South]

Personally, I think China played a master-card here. Destroy the global economy and somehow protect your own. I think there is a darker side, a lot more to this than people realize.

[CraigInBangkok]

8 minutes ago, South said:

Personally, I think China played a master-card here. Destroy the global economy and somehow protect your own. I think there is a darker side, a lot more to this than people realize.

I think the Chinese economy was doing more than fine before all this. They had no need to destroy everyone elses 

Edited April 9, 2020 by CraigInBangkok

[Gweiloman]

15 minutes ago, South said:

Personally, I think China played a master-card here. Destroy the global economy and somehow protect your own. I think there is a darker side, a lot more to this than people realize.

I think it was unintentional. But undoubtedly, they will take advantage of the situation in their bid to be the world’s biggest economy (with Don’s help of course)

 

6 minutes ago, CraigInBangkok said:

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Gweiloman

[BKKBike09]

'Capitalism', 'globalisation', 'offshoring', 'Just In Time Production' - however you call it, equally to blame is the relentless growth of Western consumer-driven demand, over the past 30 years, for ever greater choice and convenience, at the lowest possible cost. A consumer culture that is based on the premise "you need more stuff because it is your right to have it", massively facilitated by the growth of non-traditional media and online retail.

 

My hope is that this crisis helps to serve as a wake-up call that supply chain diversification away from China is critical. 

[Gweiloman]

7 minutes ago, CraigInBangkok said:

I think the Chinese economy was doing more than fine before all this. They had no need to destroy everyone elses 

Yes. They know they will get a lot of flak for this which is not something they would have wanted. 

[UbonThani]

2 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Anyone who takes this potential economic threat lightly, might be in for a big shock....

When you look at what they've done and the position they are in now, compared to the other major players, you'd be a fool to ignore what might be happening.

Very soon they will be in a position to buy up more (land, industry etc) than they ever were before..

Which is why others are looking to block them

[Gweiloman]

23 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

And they are smashing him at the moment... Lets see how he fairs in the middle rounds ??

I've definitely got China up on my scorecards after the first couple rounds !!

China will be Trump’s war cry in the coming elections. Fox News is going on a spree now with anti China sentiments 

[BobbyL]

2 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Why would you worry because a country did all the things necessary to fight the virus?

Would you be happier if more people died there?

By all accounts they certainly did not do that. Their initial cover up in December and lack of truth about the virus has made this become a much much bigger problem. 

[Curt1591]

2 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Sure, it is working great for the USA economy.

Unfortunately, the US economy has been based on stocks, not production. The tariffs have inspired some US companies to re-establish manufacturing domestically.

This "crisis" has also demonstrated the downfalls of being a nation that imports its necessities.

One might hope that, when this completes its cycle, there will be a lot of opportunity for growth.  

[Matzzon]

11 minutes ago, noone223 said:

Please, read & look in Sihanoukvile, Cambodia, Fiji, Tibet, Africa.

It's not racism when you see paradises turning into <deleted> holes. It's merely an observation.

So, they are destroying your personal picture of the perfect world, and taking away what you call paradises from You! I guess that was a personal opinion and that people has different views on that. I have not heard that the residents of either China, India or the rest of Asia has that view. Now we are talking of more than half of the worlds population.

 

For example, what has the Americans, Brits and Russians done over the years with the nice little sleepy fishing village by the great ocean called Pattaya? If that is not destroying a paradise, then it will be impossible to understand what might be.

Just admit that it´s the fear in you talking. Here the power balance regarding world economics might shift, and that will result in both Europe and US having lesser power to tell the rest of the world what to do. In my opinion they have been at the helm doing that for far to long, so any power shift in that area would be greatly appreciated.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Matzzon

[CGW]

3 hours ago, UbonThani said:

Simple solution. Rest of world puts high import duty on Chinese goods and compulsory quarantine.

China never stole "industry" the Globalists that run the world moved their industries to China and created the "world factory" & increased their profits substantially!