Americans who trust their government are like chickens who trust Colonel Sanders

6 hours ago, JimmyTheMook said:

Damage control by Trump.

NY Times and other agencies publishing

very accurate timelines on how he was briefed

endlessly on potential pandemic hitting USA

and he went and played golf and dismissed it 

as a hoax.

 

 

 

    

You choose to believe the NYT because of your leanings. You call it accurate, but how would you know?

The WH also publishes a timeline which (surprise) is different.

So, we can only choose to believe as we believe.

1 minute ago, DoctorG said:

You choose to believe the NYT because of your leanings. You call it accurate, but how would you know?

The WH also publishes a timeline which (surprise) is different.

So, we can only choose to believe as we believe.

What does the WH timeline say in between 29 January and 15 march?

7 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Amen. Time for qualified and competent individuals to take over running the WHO, otherwise just disband it. The UN too while we are at it. So great to see a leader brave enough to tackle this monstrosity, knowing it's hardly going to win him any Nobel gongs or praise from MSM. Great job Trump!!

Disband the WHO?

 

I am old enough to remember the children at school a few years ahead of me who had to wear calipers because they had polio. None of them left now as most polio sufferers do not live to an advanced age. Who came up with the vaccine and managed to get rid of polio (except in those parts of Pakistan where the Taliban think the vaccine is a plot by the Americans to reduce fertility? WHO indeed.

 

And while you are at it, who got rid of smallpox from the planet?

 

And while Trump was saying that the virus was a democrat hoax, that USA was somehow protected, etc etc, who was telling the USA that they better consider acquiring more PPE and ventilators?

 

And who tried to take over the company in Germany that now works with the WHO to develop serum tests? That will be Trump. Instead of being willing to share it with the rest of the World, he messed it all up. Now the USA has no commercially available serum test and is really short of swab tests, the country really needs access to everything that the WHO has to beat this virus. Is it only me who sees that while other countries are dealing with the virus, the USA has the largest number of cases and mortality on the planet?

10 minutes ago, Proboscis said:

Disband the WHO?

 

I am old enough to remember the children at school a few years ahead of me who had to wear calipers because they had polio. None of them left now as most polio sufferers do not live to an advanced age. Who came up with the vaccine and managed to get rid of polio (except in those parts of Pakistan where the Taliban think the vaccine is a plot by the Americans to reduce fertility? WHO indeed.

 

And while you are at it, who got rid of smallpox from the planet?

 

And while Trump was saying that the virus was a democrat hoax, that USA was somehow protected, etc etc, who was telling the USA that they better consider acquiring more PPE and ventilators?

 

And who tried to take over the company in Germany that now works with the WHO to develop serum tests? That will be Trump. Instead of being willing to share it with the rest of the World, he messed it all up. Now the USA has no commercially available serum test and is really short of swab tests, the country really needs access to everything that the WHO has to beat this virus. Is it only me who sees that while other countries are dealing with the virus, the USA has the largest number of cases and mortality on the planet?

When the defunding begins then, I suppose we can forecast total world population obliteration. 

46 minutes ago, OJAS said:

The $64,000 questions, I think, are (a) how many well-stuffed brown envelopes have been observed by Swiss postal workers passing through their hands since the start of the year en route from the Chinese Embassy in Bern to the WHO HQ in Geneva; and (b) by how much this supply will be stepped up over coming months in order to make good the USA funding shortfall.

That many envelopes would lead to deforestation. Can you see China?

 

4 minutes ago, rabas said:

That many envelopes would lead to deforestation. Can you see China?

 

It's interesting to note that it's around one third of the CDC budget in the US.

The UN and WHO are a joke, honestly I don't know why they still exist except to feed millions of dollars to corrupt bureaucrats and their kin. Veto powers make the UN a toothless tiger that occasionally growls but everyone knows it can't bite so nations ignore its rulings.

 

America should stop funding it. The money could be spent better elsewhere. Trump is right in this case, ignore the Trump haters on TV. They like to deride Trump and his supporters by calling him names and slinging insults. Yet by doing so they show that they are not of superior upbringing or intellect. People who have class and real education don't hangout in online forums slinging insults and calling people names. 

5 minutes ago, Sakeopete said:

The UN and WHO are a joke, honestly I don't know why they still exist except to feed millions of dollars to corrupt bureaucrats and their kin. Veto powers make the UN a toothless tiger that occasionally growls but everyone knows it can't bite so nations ignore its rulings.

 

America should stop funding it. The money could be spent better elsewhere. Trump is right in this case, ignore the Trump haters on TV. They like to deride Trump and his supporters by calling him names and slinging insults. Yet by doing so they show that they are not of superior upbringing or intellect. People who have class and real education don't hangout in online forums slinging insults and calling people names. 

That’s ok. The world don’t need Trump and US is not a global leader anyway. 

8 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

The voice of insanity...

 

Can't get away from it;omnipresent,ever screeching,perseverating and exhibiting that true hallmark of a demagogue of the twitter age-"the arrogance of ignorance".

Well it was a long day and he was tired from all that golf.

12 minutes ago, Sakeopete said:

People who have class and real education don't hangout in online forums slinging insults and calling people names. 

You realise that you have just "indited" your own president in a rather masterly way?

He certainly hangs around twitter "slinging insults and calling other people names."

More distraction and projection.

 

For six weeks it was Trump, not the WHO who failed to act, tried to play down the threat, talked about ‘hoaxes’ made baseless predictions, lied, played golf and failed to lead.

 

So he points at the WHO and blames it for his own failings.

Trump put out plenty of tweets praising China for transparency and openness regarding the virus. Meanwhile, he ignored US intelligence, as that seems to be his "style".

Trump backers, like most everyone, have anger over this virus. So rather than directing it at our leader, who they voted for and his continuing inept response, they look to dump their anger on anyone else.

Shortcomings of WHO and China should be looked at. In the future.

Now effort and close examination should be directed at Trump administration and their ongoing incompetent management that is costing lives. Look at what Federal government and apply pressure to better those efforts.

Plenty of time for blame game later: that's like arguing about who left the gas can next to the house that led to the fire, rather than putting the fire out.

4 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

A man like Pence who would literally fellate him for recognition.

Oh no no even FLOTUS would do that 

4 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

"On my watch, the demand for lifeboats has gone up by 2000%.  Big win!  I mean, they were just sitting there totally unused for all those days."

...and who needs the Plimsoll line anyway?

"Only commies,libs and snowflakes..."

The sooner the UN is moved to Switzerland the better.  Bully boy take you bat and ball games do not impress.  I recall Trump intimidating members of the International Court should they seek to charge the US with war crimes.  Even when the evidence is beyond doubt,

2 hours ago, Throatwobbler said:

Do you just get your posts straight from Republican HQ?

"So great to see a leader brave enough to tackle this monstrosity"

You just parrot Trump propaganda. Honestly it is embarrassing.

Not the Republican HQ, even they find Trump is an embarrassment. Anyway everybody knows corona came about because god was angry with the gays.

Why is trump worrying about WHO anyway.

 

He never listens to experts because he knows more than them. He also knew it was a pandemic before anyone else.

 

So if he knew it, what did he do about it, change his tee off time?

9 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

The voice of insanity...

 

Can't get away from it;omnipresent,ever screeching,perseverating and exhibiting that true hallmark of a demagogue of the twitter age-"the arrogance of ignorance".

Your "voice" sounds similar to his.

1 hour ago, Sakeopete said:

The UN and WHO are a joke, honestly I don't know why they still exist except to feed millions of dollars to corrupt bureaucrats and their kin. Veto powers make the UN a toothless tiger that occasionally growls but everyone knows it can't bite so nations ignore its rulings.

 

America should stop funding it. The money could be spent better elsewhere. Trump is right in this case, ignore the Trump haters on TV. They like to deride Trump and his supporters by calling him names and slinging insults. Yet by doing so they show that they are not of superior upbringing or intellect. People who have class and real education don't hangout in online forums slinging insults and calling people names. 

Are you seriously complaining about Trump being called names? And that by doing so they show a lack of intellect?

WHO will change their name to better reflect their benefactors:  The CPO, Chinese Propaganda Organization.  And they will also accept donations from liberals.

16 minutes ago, Sujo said:

it was a pandemic before anyone else

no he didn't, the word has 3 syllables , he had to wait for tweet to know what it meant

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More distraction and projection.

 

For six weeks it was Trump, not the WHO who failed to act, tried to play down the threat, talked about ‘hoaxes’ made baseless predictions, lied, played golf and failed to lead.

 

So he points at the WHO and blames it for his own failings.

Almost everyone acted too late, starting with China, followed by WHO, then Europe and the USA. From all the reports I've read, it seems the biggest spread made was by the Chinese, who allowed mass movement for Chinese New Year, immediately before the Wuhan lock down, by which time they must have known better.

 

Trump had an great opportunity to guarantee re-election with solid early action here but his subsequent dithering has a good chance of backfiring.  

USA pays approx 14.5% of WHO costs.Three weeks ago Trump was praising WHO for the great job they were doing with information and advice on controlling Covid19. Back in late January WHO offered masks etc to the USA in anticipation of the virus breaking out in the USA, TRUMP told them he didn't need them he had it under control.After his f!!! up on managing the outbreak of the virus he is now looking for scapegoats, Democrats, media , state governors and now WHO. Roll on November judgement day will be upon him

and London to a brick he will blame everyone else, his staff, the white house, the republican party and the media. Probably left out a few but Trump will find them.

Well as much as Trump has been inept and incompetent, but we're used to that. 

 

WHO fell hook line and sinker for Beijing's propaganda.

 

For whatever reason they decided just to believe the party line. 

 

Information is tightly controlled in China, we all know that, talk to the family of the Doctor in Wuhan who tried to raise the alarm!

 

WHO has refused to even acknowledge data out of Taiwan, which is arguably the most successful country on the planet in controlling the outbreak, for fear of upsetting Beijing.

 

Then there are the numbers. We will probably never know the full extent of the outbreak in China, but anecdotal data suggests it may well be much higher than the propaganda wants us to know.

 

....and lets not get started on the 'it was brought to China by the US military' 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/stacks-of-urns-in-wuhan-prompt-new-questions-of-virus-s-toll

 

The funding bill will still have to get Congress approval. Even with Sen Lindsey Graham as chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, the approval is no certainty. 

10 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Amen. Time for qualified and competent individuals to take over running the WHO, otherwise just disband it. The UN too while we are at it. So great to see a leader brave enough to tackle this monstrosity, knowing it's hardly going to win him any Nobel gongs or praise from MSM. Great job Trump!!

Well done Trump! Another step closer to four more years (& to think I once considered him a clown....) ????

6 hours ago, Patong2 said:

This is the advice the WHO have on their website at the moment and gave out on the 6th January 2020

Looks like Trump has realised how incompetent or corrupt they are

 

Pneumonia of unknown cause – China

Disease outbreak news
5 January 2020

On 31 December 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of cases of pneumonia of unknown etiology (unknown cause) detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province of China. As of 3 January 2020, a total of 44 patients with pneumonia of unknown etiology have been reported to WHO by the national authorities in China. Of the 44 cases reported, 11 are severely ill, while the remaining 33 patients are in stable condition. According to media reports, the concerned market in Wuhan was closed on 1 January 2020 for environmental sanitation and disinfection.

The causal agent has not yet been identified or confirmed. On 1 January 2020, WHO requested further information from national authorities to assess the risk.

National authorities report that all patients are isolated and receiving treatment in Wuhan medical institutions. The clinical signs and symptoms are mainly fever, with a few patients having difficulty in breathing, and chest radiographs showing invasive lesions of both lungs.

According to the authorities, some patients were operating dealers or vendors in the Huanan Seafood market. Based on the preliminary information from the Chinese investigation team, no evidence of significant human-to-human transmission and no health care worker infections have been reported.

Public Health Response

National authorities have reported the following response measures:

• One hundred and twenty-one close contacts have been identified and are under medical observation;
• The follow-up of close contacts is ongoing;
• Pathogen identification and the tracing of the cause are underway;
• Wuhan Municipal Health Commission carried out active case finding, and retrospective investigations have been completed;
• Environmental sanitation and further hygiene investigations are under way.

WHO is closely monitoring the situation and is in close contact with national authorities in China.

WHO risk assessment

There is limited information to determine the overall risk of this reported cluster of pneumonia of unknown etiology. The reported link to a wholesale fish and live animal market could indicate an exposure link to animals. The symptoms reported among the patients are common to several respiratory diseases, and pneumonia is common in the winter season; however, the occurrence of 44 cases of pneumonia requiring hospitalization clustered in space and time should be handled prudently.

Wuhan city, with a population of 19 million, is the capital city of Hubei province, with a population of 58 million people. WHO has requested further information on the laboratory tests performed and the differential diagnoses considered.

WHO advice

Based on information provided by national authorities, WHO’s recommendations on public health measures and surveillance of influenza and severe acute respiratory infections still apply.

WHO does not recommend any specific measures for travellers. In case of symptoms suggestive of respiratory illness either during or after travel, travellers are encouraged to seek medical attention and share travel history with their healthcare provider.

WHO advises against the application of any travel or trade restrictions on China based on the current information available on this event.

For more information:

• Infection prevention and control of epidemic-and pandemic prone acute respiratory infections in health care, WHO guidelines:
• Wuhan Municipal Health Commission briefing on the pneumonia epidemic situation, 31 December 2019 (in Mandarin):
• Wuhan Municipal Health Commission briefing on the pneumonia epidemic situation 3 January 2020 (in Mandarin):

Yes, that is their statement from 6th January...

WHO issues its first guidance on the novel coronavirus

10 January 2020

Developed with reference to other coronaviruses, such as SARS and MERS, WHO issued a tool for countries to check their ability to detect and respond to a novel coronavirus.

This information is to help with identifying main gaps, assessing risks and planning for additional investigations, response and control actions.

China makes genome sequencing of novel coronavirus publicly available

12 January 2020

China shares the genetic sequence of the novel coronavirus, which will be very important for other countries as they develop specific diagnostic kits.

First case of novel coronavirus outside of China confirmed

13 January 2020

Officials confirmed a case of the novel coronavirus in Thailand. It was not unexpected that cases of the novel coronavirus would emerge outside of China and reinforces why WHO calls for active monitoring and preparedness in other countries.

First meeting of Emergency Committee regarding the novel coronavirus outbreak

23 January 2020

On 22-23 February, the WHO Director General convened the Emergency Committee to consider the outbreak of the novel coronavirus in China, with cases also reported in the Republic of Korea, Japan, Thailand and Singapore.

Several Committee members considered it still too early to declare a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC), given its restrictive and binary nature. Among other recommendations, the Committee advised that it be recalled in approximately 10 days.

 

(Extract from that meeting)
To other countries

It is expected that further international exportation of cases may appear in any country. Thus, all countries should be prepared for containment, including active surveillance, early detection, isolation and case management, contact tracing and prevention of onward spread of 2019-nCoV infection, and to share full data with WHO.

Countries are required to share information with WHO according to the IHR.

Technical advice is available here.  Countries should place particular emphasis on reducing human infection, prevention of secondary transmission and international spread and contributing to the international response though multi-sectoral communication and collaboration and active participation in increasing knowledge on the virus and the disease, as well as advancing research. Countries should also follow travel advice from WHO.

To the global community

As this is a new coronavirus, and it has been previously shown that similar coronaviruses required substantial efforts for regular information sharing and research, the global community should continue to demonstrate solidarity and cooperation, in compliance with Article 44 of the IHR (2005), in supporting each other on the identification of the source of this new virus, its full potential for human-to-human transmission, preparedness for potential importation of cases, and research for developing necessary treatment.

 

WHO and China leaders meet in Beijing to discuss coronavirus outbreak

28 January 2020

WHO Director-General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus met with China's President Xi Jinping in Beijing about the coronavirus outbreak.

Dr Tedros was joined by WHO Regional Director Dr Takeshi Kasai and Executive Director of the WHO Health Emergencies Programme Dr Mike Ryan, and also met State Councilor and Minister of Foreign Affairs Wang Yi and Minister of Health Ma Xiaowei.

The discussions focused on continued collaboration on containment measures in Wuhan, public health measures in other cities and provinces, conducting further studies on the severity and transmissibility of the virus, continuing to share data, and for China to share biological material with WHO. These measures will advance scientific understanding of the virus and contribute to the development of medical countermeasures such as vaccines and treatments.

The two sides agreed that WHO would send international experts to visit China as soon as possible to work with Chinese counterparts on increasing understanding of the outbreak to guide global response efforts.

Public Health Emergency of International Concern declared

30 January 2020

WHO Director-General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus declared the 2019-nCoV outbreak a Public Health Emergency of International Concern, following a second meeting of the Emergency Committee convened under the International Health Regulations.

Acknowledging that cases have been reported in five WHO regions in one month, the Committee noted that early detection, isolating and treating cases, contact tracing and social distancing measures – in line with the level of risk – can all work to interrupt virus
spread.
 

And so on...

Apparently you and many others have similar problem to Trump as you don't understand that as this is a new virus that is spreading and the information regarding it gets updated as soon as there is new verified information. Just look at Trump promoting Hydroxychloroquine (a medicine that even the CIA told their employees and families to avoid in their health recommendations...) based on studies that had all been redacted as they didn't pass peer review and couldn't be replicated... but Trump had already seen those reports so he had already set up his mind!

8 hours ago, simon43 said:

Agreed.  The WHO senior guys won't even mention the world 'Taiwan' in their recent interview and hung up on the interviewer.  WHO is brown-nosing the CCP and is biased.

It took China a whopping twenty years to accept imports of British Beef after the CJD/Mad Cow disease saga. UK should bear that in mind when trade resumes & look to Taiwan/elsewhere to fill that gap to show China what it's like on the receiving end.

"In its most recent budget proposal in February, the Trump administration requested a reduction in U.S. financial contributions to the WHO from $122.6m to an assessed contribution of $57.9m. Despite the slashed budget, that figure still makes the U.S. the WHO's top financial contributor by far. China pays in the second highest sum, $28.6m, followed by Japan's $20.5m. The total sum of assessed contributions invoiced by the WHO on January 01 and due for payment this year stood at $246.8 million, of which $79 million had been paid by members as of March 31."

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/04/08/which-countries-are-the-biggest-financial-contributors-to-the-world-health-organization-infographic/#4f44ee16494c