13 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You mean this stock photo? What's your point? I said that I reckon this is directed at China. How does looking at this pic make a difference to what I posted?

 

Definitely aimed at China.  If they were aiming at Westerners she would look super hot and be wearing a low cut dress!  Deception at work.  Back in my single days in Pattaya the hotty jumping up and down on my lap before bar fine quite often wasn't the same girl outside the go-go! Deception at work!  Amazing Deceptive Thailand. ????

1 hour ago, Chicken George said:

Even if people in the tourist and associate industries go back to work they will be few tourists to service.. I can't see people in the western world coming in numbers of any significance.. Flights will be twice the price at a guess. People will be trying to make back money which they have lost due to furlows etc. Make up their pensions. That's if they have jobs. No one knows what they will have to provide health certificate wise to enter another country or insurances. Its not going to be the same again.. I see Tourist cities here being like ghost towns. Massive change will happen... Thailand as time goes on will have to adjust. Rebrand.. Only my thoughts... But speaking to family and friends no one I know will entertain long haul flights. The covid 19 virus will peak in different parts of the world and msybe return. Too many worries for many people...

I think that's completely true. Absolutely nobody is thinking of long haul holidays right now. In my opinion it will be a good while before that happens again, at least a year. the virus is here and will be here until we get an effective virus, until then each country will be focusing on the economy and surviving not holidays. If you ever wanted an indication on how much the Thai leadership are completely out of touch with the world this is it. Stay safe.

 

14 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

There are currently armed vigilante mobs in Phuket posting photos on Facebook of themselves targeting foreigners with the slogan 'stay at home <deleted> tourist or get out of my country'. How can safety be guaranteed with people like that around?

If all comes back to normal, I would love to see ppl seeing and remembering this. 

 

Phuket completely destroyed, nature wise and by corrupted & greedy 'businesses'

... after so many helped to re-build and send donations after the Tsunami. 

 

For this, I hate Phuket ... been back there 4 years ago and left after one night. So many other nice places and national parks in that area.

 

15 hours ago, ukrules said:

Tourists are how the virus spreads. Good luck with that.

You forget that the certificate they will give will protect everyone

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The “Amazing Thailand Safety and Health Administration” campaign aims to lift standards in the industry by certifying the safety of tourism businesses.

Left a lot to be desired in the past... can't see anything changing now.

Come spend your vacation in 14 day quarantine.  

Hate to be a cynic. But how in heavens name will they do this? Thais do not obey rules at the best of times. This just sounds like a money grab by the department of health officials who have not really had their snouts in the tourism trough. Sounds like "I'll certify you... How much you pay?" will be the standard approach.. Ah well, this is Thailand... 

15 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

There are currently armed vigilante mobs in Phuket posting photos on Facebook of themselves targeting foreigners with the slogan 'stay at home <deleted> tourist or get out of my country'. How can safety be guaranteed with people like that around?

I wonder if there are '<deleted> tourist' who might also be taking photos of the vigilantes and post them on Facebook, in order to remember eventually when everything is reasonably back to normal, those to avoid and not give their custom to?

 

Not many tourists can afford $100,000 of Covid insurance.

6 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

I wonder if they are '<deleted> tourist' who might also be taking photos of the vigilantes and post them on Facebook, in order to remember eventually when everything is reasonably back to normal, those to avoid and not give their custom to?

Fully agree. That place needs a much bigger lesson ... I think the current corona tourist break will not be enough. The Tsunami even wasn't.

 

But it will not happen ... soon bus loads and airplanes will come back and it's all back to 'smiles' & rip-offs.

 

 

I hope that there are a few international flights from Thailand to Canada, as my

Thai inlaws want to get to Canada for our Summer.  I will not be flying anywhere

internationally for at least 2 years, by then I will be able to afford a holiday again.

  Good luck to all that plan to holiday, right after some planes fly again.

Geezer

15 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

There are currently armed vigilante mobs in Phuket posting photos on Facebook of themselves targeting foreigners with the slogan 'stay at home <deleted> tourist or get out of my country'. How can safety be guaranteed with people like that around?

B------T! This post should be taken down, it's not true and dangerous.

British airways saying it is going to make around 12,000 jobs disappear, that's a 25% workforce reduction. Expect a few other airlines to be in a similar positions. Tells you all you need to know about predicted travel estimates for the next 3-5 years.

5 minutes ago, Pinot said:

15 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

There are currently armed vigilante mobs in Phuket posting photos on Facebook of themselves targeting foreigners with the slogan 'stay at home <deleted> tourist or get out of my country'. How can safety be guaranteed with people like that around?

B------T! This post should be taken down, it's not true and dangerous.

OK, that hadn't occurred to me.

So can the OP provide a link or some other proof that this is happening?

There is no reason Thailand cannot become the #1 luxury travel destination in the world.

 

Unfortunately, it has to do this if it wants to regain tourist income. The second wave of covid infections is a scientific certainty. Look to China to see what is coming next. Curve has been flat for two months and the country is essentially closed to foreigners. PRC do not want to allow the second wave to hit.

 

The second wave will destroy any realistic plan for rebuilding budget tourism this year. The only people who will be able to travel are those who can prove they are covid free before boarding and after landing. Only rich people will travel. Thailand must increase access to testing if it wants to run any sort tourism industry again, high end or otherwise.

31 minutes ago, Millcx said:

You forget that the certificate they will give will protect everyone

Why not also give them a free amulet upon arrival for their Safety guarantee....

24 minutes ago, Pinot said:

B------T! This post should be taken down, it's not true and dangerous.

It is true, and should stay.

 

Some freedom of speech, so much already banned in Thailand.

 

15 hours ago, OnTheGround said:

Optimism to the extreme.

The world travellers are much better informed now.

Tourists denied entry at airports. Tourists interrogated at airport. Tourist put in airport jail. Dual pricing and much more. All this make international news, travellers are aware and more and more tourists choose alternative destination, where they feel welcome.

 

Other countries IO welcome tourists to their country, and tourist can often extend without problem. This Thailand should learn from. Put a end to 'You come to often to Thailand', and all other nonsense regulation they created last 10 years.

Immigration need a total overhaul.

 

Exactly.  A good solution would be to replace Immigration with a private-company, whose employee's pension-fund is invested in tourist-industries.  That would ensure the MFA's Visas are honored, and every arriving-tourist was treated with respect - not scowled at, and passport thrown back at them in disgust.

5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Why not also give them a free amulet upon arrival for their Safety guarantee....

You will need to fill in a short questionnaire before being issued with an amulet:

Q1. Are you gullible?

Q2. If you answered 'yes' to the above, please proceed and pay 5,000 Baht deposit for your amulet.

 

"The TAT forecasts a drop of more than 60 percent in tourist numbers this year compared to 2019."

 

First is was 20%, then 30%, and now 60%. Taking bets on whether it's 70% or 80% next. ????

14 hours ago, ToThailand said:

Thai people are racists, they dont like farang. Only like our money. Would be fun to see how they managed without all the tourists these days. Millions without jobs already cause no turists comes due to the virus

Most Thai people do not have this attitude.  A clique in immigraton and other govt-officies does, and they have a few useful-idiots, like the ones in Phuket - who I bet do not (are not paid to?) target Chinese visitors.

15 hours ago, ukrules said:

Tourists are how the virus spreads. Good luck with that.

In the USA. Europe or China we didn't need tourists. We managed to spread the virus through "community spread "

A logo.

 

Thailands tourism future is based on a logo?

 

In the past your tourism grew in spite of you, not because of you.

 

Now, you suddenly think your skills and plans to have any bearing on the future of Thailand's tourism? 

 

...and the best you can come up with is...A LOGO?

 

Fail.

Will the quarantine facilities the tourists have to spend the first two weeks of their holiday in be registered with this scheme?

14 hours ago, Thongkorn said:

The last line says a lot about your character, Exactly the Tourists Thailand does not want.

"Thailand" does not want them - but immigration gives them no problem.  It's short-term visitor sex-holiday types who fill up Walking St Pattaya, Patpong, etc. 

 

It's those of us who have long-term gfs/wives - who stay here longer, and primarily support smaller Thai businesses with our incomes - who are targeted by immigration's policy changes.

New  ad campaign slogan:

 

"You're safety is guaranteed or your autopsy is FREE!"

Not to mention that when reading news almost each country has a promotion in place to travel at home country for holidays and spend monies locally to support local businesses when the mayhem is over.

15 hours ago, Mavideol said:

TAT at its best.... would like to see how it will be implemented and controlled/inspected

 

555

 

 

Prob will be like that food safety sticker that restaurants and food stalls get. No underlying validity. Just a sticker.

 

13 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, since months foreign currencies are not accepted in most if not all banks.

This is today's

 

Re the old US-policy - This trick was to get the poor working-class whites to 'feel superior' to colored folks - while the Policy-Goal was preserving a low-wage underclass that undermined the economic-interests of ALL working-class people.  When legal-segregation was abolished, US-immigration policy was changed the following year, to flood-in masses of low-wage workers - which preserved that underclass, by destroying the economic ladder to which colored-folks had finally achieved legal-access. 

 

In Thailand, Western-tourist spending creates an economic ladder.  To counter this, Thais are encouraged to feel 'superior' to foreigners, while their upward-mobility is actively undermined by a massive-volume of work-visas to foreigners who undercut their wages, combined with immigration policy changes to keep long-term Western-spenders out.  "Tour Groups," who spend almost all their money at designated shops are permitted; they don't help "ordinary" Thais move up, economically.

3 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

 

Re the old US-policy - This trick was to get the poor working-class whites to 'feel superior' to colored folks - while the Policy-Goal was preserving a low-wage underclass that undermined the economic-interests of ALL working-class people.  When legal-segregation was abolished, US-immigration policy was changed the following year, to flood-in masses of low-wage workers - which preserved that underclass, by destroying the economic ladder to which colored-folks had finally achieved legal-access. 

 

In Thailand, Western-tourist spending creates an economic ladder.  To counter this, Thais are encouraged to feel 'superior' to foreigners, while their upward-mobility is actively undermined by a massive-volume of work-visas to foreigners who undercut their wages, combined with immigration policy changes to keep long-term Western-spenders out.  "Tour Groups," who spend almost all their money at designated shops are permitted; they don't help "ordinary" Thais move up, economically.

Quite insightful, thanks, i couldn't have said it better.