Are we alive because of diet?

[CanadaSam]

I am simply amazed at the low levels of death from Covid-19 in countries like Thailand and India, Sri Lanka, etc. especially considering that they did things extremely wrong by letting a lot of Chinese in at the beginning, and the general public not really adhering to social distancing and/or masks, etc.

 

The staggering numbers of deaths in USA, UK, Italy etc. are really mind-boggling, considering these are mostly educated people, and should know how to protect themselves better.

 

Therefore, I wonder, is there something else in the mix which is causing such lop-sided death rates in first world countries vs third world countries?

 

The one thing that immediately springs to mind is spices, chilies, etc. which is really not used in the "western" countries to the extent that they are in third world countries, and the reason they are extensively used in cooking here is to preserve food, not allow germs/bacteria to thrive, and sometimes even for medicinal purposes from generations old recipes.

 

Is our diet saving us?

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, CanadaSam said:

The staggering numbers of deaths in USA, UK, Italy etc. are really mind-boggling, considering these are mostly educated people, and should know how to protect themselves better.

It's purely because people in cold countries recycle their air.

Nearly every house in the UK has double glazing, re-breathing and re-circulating air is very unhealthy and spreads disease.

Singapore has the highest number of cases in SEA purely because everywhere is air-conditioned.

 

Nothing to do with education, all to do with lifestyle.

Edited May 7, 2020 by BritManToo

[OneMoreFarang]

13 minutes ago, CanadaSam said:

Therefore, I wonder, is there something else in the mix which is causing such lop-sided death rates in first world countries vs third world countries?

I am sure the experts who study viruses and infections for years will also wonder about this. And then they will study it and they will find scientific answers.

Something like: I know a few people who like spicy food and they did not get infected. But the guy who likes no spicy food got infected. Conclusion: Nothing! Science does not work like that.

[tribalfusion001]

9 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

It's purely because people in cold countries recycle their air.

Nearly every house in the UK has double glazing, re-breathing and re-circulating air is very unhealthy and spreads disease.

Singapore has the highest number of cases in SEA purely because everywhere is air-conditioned.

 

Nothing to do with education, all to do with lifestyle.

Very good point. The pubs in the UK during the colder months tend to be packed with people and stuffy, no windows open, no fresh air, horrible experience sometimes. I much prefer drinking in a bar with open sides, hence why I like South East Asia.

[Captain Monday]

How about lacing your throat for hours a day with strong ethanol based "beverages"?

[1FinickyOne]

I would venture a guess that the warm climate has something to do with suppressing the virus... 

[Pattaya46]

16 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Singapore has the highest number of cases in SEA purely because everywhere is air-conditioned. //

BS. Majority of cases in Singapore are poor foreign workers living in small overcrowded no-aircon apartments.

[connda]

It's more likely that Thailand as a developing world and Thai in general don't have the same germ-adverse mind-set as do Westerners.  Therefore they are exposed to a wider range of bacteria and viruses than their Western counterparts, and as such, have stronger immunity system.

 

Westerners really are germaphobe, but it their aversion to pathogens which sets them up to have weaker immune systems.  Avoidance of pathogens weakens their immune system.

[sirineou]

IMO It is not a single thing but a combination of conditions, policy  and culture.

Edited May 7, 2020 by sirineou

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, connda said:

It's more likely that Thailand as a developing world and Thai in general don't have the same germ-adverse mind-set as do Westerners.  Therefore they are exposed to a wider range of bacteria and viruses than their Western counterparts, and as such, have stronger immunity system.

 

Westerners really are germaphobe, but it their aversion to pathogens which sets them up to have weaker immune systems.  Avoidance of pathogens weakens their immune system.

That is one hypothesis worth considering. Spicy food, use of the wai, lower protein intake, hot climate, mass BCG immunization could also be valid hypotheses.

I'm not sure the immunity is universal, because there seems to be a lot of Thais that die of cancer. Although that could be because there is no early detection and intervention.

[tribalfusion001]

5 minutes ago, connda said:

It's more likely that Thailand as a developing world and Thai in general don't have the same germ-adverse mind-set as do Westerners.  Therefore they are exposed to a wider range of bacteria and viruses than their Western counterparts, and as such, have stronger immunity system.

 

Westerners really are germaphobe, but it their aversion to pathogens which sets them up to have weaker immune systems.  Avoidance of pathogens weakens their immune system.

Poor choice of diet, lack of exercise, lots of people with underlying medical conditions seems to be the key. None of the Asian countries have high death rates, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea were at the end of winter coming into spring when the virus hit. The countries in SE Asia have hot humid climates and none of them have had major outbreaks, maybe Asian people are just healthier than westerners.

[Yorkshire Tea]

Maybe too many coffin dodgers kept alive beyond their use by date in care homes in developed countries?

[swerve]

Much like the WHO.  Experts that know little or nothing.  Incapable of common sense even.

Edited May 7, 2020 by swerve

[Logosone]

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I am simply amazed at the low levels of death from Covid-19 in countries like Thailand and India, Sri Lanka,

And also Nigeria and Philippines, it's the miracle of not doing any testing, here's your reason why Thailand shows low death figures, if you hardly test anything your figures will be magically low:

 

 

 

 

[dimitriv]

I read about another theory. It appears that some vaccinations such as MMR (Mump-Measles-Rubella) and Tuberculoses also help (partially) against the corona virus.

 

In most western countries people do not get Tuberculoses vaccination anymore. But in Thailand they get this.

 

This also explains why older people get this virus more often, at least in Europe people older than 50 never got the MMR (Mump-Measles-Rubella) vaccination. Only younger people got it.

 

Again a theory that may or may not be true.

 

[bodga]

53 minutes ago, CanadaSam said:

I am simply amazed at the low levels of death from Covid-19 in countries like Thailand and India, Sri Lanka, etc.

Me  too, its' fascinating as to the reason why, I  hope some serious research is  done on this instead of fools  spouting the eternal face  mask stuff.

[bodga]

22 minutes ago, connda said:

It's more likely that Thailand as a developing world and Thai in general don't have the same germ-adverse mind-set as do Westerners.  Therefore they are exposed to a wider range of bacteria and viruses than their Western counterparts, and as such, have stronger immunity system.

 

Westerners really are germaphobe, but it their aversion to pathogens which sets them up to have weaker immune systems.  Avoidance of pathogens weakens their immune system.

And their life expectancy is, less than a  Euro life.

[brokenbone]

no. i havnt eaten a single rice dish in months,

i eat spagetti potato salad and apple pie exclusively

and im no more dead then theue

[ukrules]

56 minutes ago, CanadaSam said:

Therefore, I wonder, is there something else in the mix which is causing such lop-sided death rates in first world countries vs third world countries?

I suspect we're missing 'the truth' in the reporting.

 

I haven't read about any large scale serological surveys being planned for Thailand, are there any?

[ukrules]

12 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

I read about another theory. It appears that some vaccinations such as MMR (Mump-Measles-Rubella) and Tuberculoses also help (partially) against the corona virus.

I have a feeling that it's something much more insidious.

 

Lets look back 50 years to when the current 'old' were in their youth. What did it take for them to make it to old age?

 

It took quite a lot I think, many of them will have died along the way. Those who are susceptible to a lot of illnesses are simply not going to be alive now due to the laughable medical treatment available to normal people over the last 5+ decades.

 

The 70+ population here are not going to be the same as the 70+ population in Europe or the US and that, I suspect is one of the differences - the populations aren't really comparable.

 

Edited May 7, 2020 by ukrules

[timendres]

Another possible reason for the low death rates in Thailand may be demographics. The areas initially most infected are possibly the areas with the youngest population. We will soon see what happens after so many of them have returned home. If, on the other hand, the infection rate has genuinely been low, then there must be another explanation.

[jvs]

I was reading it could have something to do with the sun,more sunshine more vitamin d ,less infection?

Then again ,could be anything.

[Pattaya46]

9 minutes ago, jvs said:

I was reading it could have something to do with the sun,more sunshine more vitamin d ,less infection?

Then again ,could be anything.

Many articles in Europe where doctors hope that Covid-19 will (nearly) disappear when summer arrives, the same way as periodic Flu. Hope they are right...

[bwpage3]

Did it ever occur to you that those countries and Thailand, have no accurate way of measuring how many cases of CV there are?

 

Using Isaan as an example, there are many large poor rural areas that have no hospitals, no CV testing etc.

 

Suspect the same in India and others

 

How does the gov't know if there are any cases or not?

 

 

[Why Me]

Probably a bunch of factors: better diet, more sun/heat, younger healthier population, BCG vaccination and a willingness to follow social rules.

 

Lordie, you have a country where there're people shooting guns because they don't want to wear masks (see the US) and you figure that country is in deep doodoo C-19 or no.

[Youlike]

Sweden, Japan, Belarus didn't do anything to stop the virus and they have the same numbers as other countries...

[Pattaya46]

Just now, bwpage3 said:

Did it ever occur to you that those countries and Thailand, have no accurate way of measuring how many cases of CV there are?

Using Isaan as an example, there are many large poor rural areas that have no hospitals, no CV testing etc.

Suspect the same in India and others

How does the gov't know if there are any cases or not?

That's why the only valid comparator is the number of deaths (in ratio with population).

[Youlike]

19 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Graphs can be misleading....Italy and UK appear magnitudes ahead of the other selected countries.

 

But look at the LH scale.  UK and Italy are in the region of 1 per thousand.  0.1%.  Still pretty much in the area known as "<deleted> all".

 

PH

David Icke claims that there is no virus, (let him explain it if you wanna know why) but the tests are also fake...the test will also test positiv on people with other diseases like lungcancer or so....

 

https://londonreal.tv/

 

 

Edited May 7, 2020 by Youlike

[CanadaSam]

15 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Graphs can be misleading....Italy and UK appear magnitudes ahead of the other selected countries.

 

But look at the LH scale.  UK and Italy are in the region of 1 per thousand.  0.1%.  Still pretty much in the area known as "<deleted> all".

 

PH

 

Not only that, but what difference does it make how many people are tested, because we are concerned about the huge discrepancy in the number/ratio of deaths in western countries vs third world countries. 

 

They surely can not be "hiding" the actual number of deaths in third world counties, can they?

[Logosone]

53 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

That is one hypothesis worth considering. Spicy food, use of the wai, lower protein intake, hot climate, mass BCG immunization could also be valid hypotheses.

I'm not sure the immunity is universal, because there seems to be a lot of Thais that die of cancer. Although that could be because there is no early detection and intervention.

 

Edited May 7, 2020 by Logosone