Rhodes Must Fall - Oxford protesters target statue of colonialist

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

 Nah the ends justify the means, she can keep it. 

One could also say that about slavery ?

[CorpusChristie]

15 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Of course the big one would be India where anti-British sentiment is simmering to this day for the shameless exploitation of India.

Any evidence of that ?

[BillStrangeOgre]

4 hours ago, sukhumvitneon said:

"truly inspirational people" is incredibly subjective.  How about not erasing history, especially ugly history, if it makes you feel uncomfortable?  These monuments need to stay up to remind ourselves of history, both good and bad.  Putting them in a museum is stupid because you usually need to pay a fee to get into a museum and most people don't bother going anyway.

I disagree. People want to feel good about the cities they live in. Having what a lot of people see as unsavoury statues of questionable characters from the past dotted about doesn't define what many people believe in.

Put them in a museum with a description of who they are and how and why the statue was removed.

 

Personally i'd like to see a statue of George Floyd erected somewhere, perhaps in Bristol to replace the one toppled there. After all,  He lost his life to inspire this movement...

Edited June 10, 2020 by BillStrangeOgre

[Dumbastheycome]

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4 hours ago, Pilotman said:

how about replacing them with some truly inspirational people, who have not only done good, but have inspired others to do good: Leonard Cheshire, Douglas Bader, Charles 11, William Wilberforce of course, William Williams, Lord Shaftesbury, Lord Hunt, Edmund Hillary, Tensing Norgay, Cook, Adams, Etc.  Of course, if it was up to me I would replace them all with statues of Margaret Thatcher, hundreds, no thousands of them, in every nook and cranny of the UK.  

Thatcher would have to be  cast in Iron, not bronze ! ????

[baansgr]

4 hours ago, sukhumvitneon said:

More SJW nonsense that is completely out of control

 

Are they going to replace the statue with some rainbow colored phallus?

No...probably by some unknown black guy that was the first bus driver in Oxford, or someone as irrelevant, as long as they are black, that's what counts

[evadgib]

Just now, Dumbastheycome said:

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Thatcher would have to be  cast in Iron, not bronze ! ????

I'd have her in gold ????

[evadgib]

1 minute ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

I disagree. People want to feel good about the cities they live in. Having what a lot of people see as unsavoury statues of questionable characters from the past dotted about doesn't define what many people believe in.

Put them in a museum with a description of who they are and how and why the state was removed.

 

Personally i'd like to see a statue of George Floyd erected somewhere, perhaps in Bristol to replace the one toppled there. After all,  He lost his life to inspire this movement...

How about one of our own ?

[BillStrangeOgre]

4 minutes ago, baansgr said:

No...probably by some unknown black guy that was the first bus driver in Oxford, or someone as irrelevant, as long as they are black, that's what counts

In my view the first black immigrants that came to the UK in the 50's (en mass) deserve a statue. They had to go through a lot..????

[Logosone]

5 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Any evidence of that ?

A very famous book "Inglorious Empire" has come out, written by an Indian which has galvanized anti-British feeling in India towards the exploitation, famine and suffering the British caused in India, it's an enlightening read:

 

"Everything the British did in India, Tharoor asserts, was for their own benefit and never for that of the Indians. They also had, Tharoor tells us, perfected a policy of divide and rule, breaking treaties at will and making war and looting with impunity. Tharoor is right, of course. There are few Indians who would not have heard of the treachery that enabled Clive to triumph at Plassey or of the incredible amounts of ill-begotten wealth the East India Company officials hauled back with them to England. ”.

 

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/books/the-bald-truth-is-the-raj-ruined-us/article9391768.ece

[izod10]

Blacks in USA, ? all sprung from slavery,now why do they not all clear off back to Africa,  a fair and consistent answer to their never ending criminality ,and I must say their never ending requests for food stamps

[BillStrangeOgre]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

How about one of our own ?

One of our own?? Another little Englander?

[izod10]

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

A very famous book "Inglorious Empire" has come out, written by an Indian which has galvanized anti-British feeling in India towards the exploitation, famine and suffering the British caused in India, it's an enlightening read:

 

"Everything the British did in India, Tharoor asserts, was for their own benefit and never for that of the Indians. They also had, Tharoor tells us, perfected a policy of divide and rule, breaking treaties at will and making war and looting with impunity. Tharoor is right, of course. There are few Indians who would not have heard of the treachery that enabled Clive to triumph at Plassey or of the incredible amounts of ill-begotten wealth the East India Company officials hauled back with them to England. ”.

 

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/books/the-bald-truth-is-the-raj-ruined-us/article9391768.ece

Never mind,the Chinese are going to put India into a black hole sooner than later

[Pilotman]

9 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I'd have her in gold ????

studied with diamonds and Emeralds. 

[Logosone]

1 minute ago, izod10 said:

Never mind,the Chinese are going to put India into a black hole sooner than later

Of course, China! I almost forgot China, how could I be so careless. There were the Opium trade, the British basically acted as drug dealers. I am sure that should be added to the left's wish list of reparations.

 

Good point.

[evadgib]

Just now, BillStrangeOgre said:

One of our own?? Another little Englander?

For those that didn't fully understand the black humour (in more ways than one) in what they have just read.

[bannork]

9 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

One of our own?? Another little Englander?

The DNA of Brits contains 60% European ancestry. Ruled by the Romans, raped by pillaging Scandinavians, conquered by the Normans.

There's not so much Brit in the average little Englander.

[BKKBike09]

Why stop at statues? Let's knock down castles since they're no more than appalling monuments which speak to a time when a privileged few lived lives of relative comfort and plenty while the majority of the population eked out a pitiful feudal existence in downtrodden squalor.

 

We should cleanse all public spaces of any trace of the past - whitewashing history (although I'm sure there are people who object to the term 'whitewashing' on tortuous grounds of perceived ethnic connotations in the word) in order that no-one can be offended.

 

How far back do we need to go? How about Richard I outside the Palace of Westminster, who happily prosecuted the Third Crusade to the detriment of many Muslims. 

 

And while we're in Parliament Square, let's have a crack at the bigot Gandhi .. oh, actually, someone already has.

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/35-cops-injured-in-further-london-violence-as-gandhi-statue-defaced/articleshow/76269593.cms

 

The most illiberal these days seem to be the purported liberals championing 'diversity and inclusion', except when it's inconvenient for it to apply.

 

 

[Pilotman]

8 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Of course, China! I almost forgot China, how could I be so careless. There were the Opium trade, the British basically acted as drug dealers. I am sure that should be added to the left's wish list of reparations.

 

Good point.

They want you to forget about them, until they rule the World.  

Edited June 10, 2020 by Pilotman

[Percy P]

4 hours ago, Pilotman said:

how about replacing them with some truly inspirational people, who have not only done good, but have inspired others to do good: Leonard Cheshire, Douglas Bader, Charles 11, William Wilberforce of course, William Williams, Lord Shaftesbury, Lord Hunt, Edmund Hillary, Tensing Norgay, Cook, Adams, Etc.  Of course, if it was up to me I would replace them all with statues of Margaret Thatcher, hundreds, no thousands of them, in every nook and cranny of the UK.  

Good idea.

[JensenZ]

3 hours ago, anterian said:

Statues are reminders of our past, good and bad. They encourage us to examine our past, both the glory and the infamy. removing these statues actually seeks to whitewash our history. Was a press ganged sailor any different from a slave, yet Nelson relied upon them. 

I agree. In the 1500's they were burning people at the stake for heresy in Oxford. Anyone sensitive about the past should give Oxford a miss and study at a new college somewhere else. It's the past (900 years of it), both good and bad, that made it what it is today. People who can't handle the past shouldn't even be living in England, nevermind attending Oxford University.

[Logosone]

9 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

Why stop at statues? Let's knock down castles since they're no more than appalling monuments which speak to a time when a privileged few lived lives of relative comfort and plenty while the majority of the population eked out a pitiful feudal existence in downtrodden squalor.

 

I think the explanation for this is that the left is destructive at heart.

 

They are not creators of wealth. If you tell one of these leftwing Antifa thugs toppling monuments "You know given the huge exploitation of the colonies the UK should pay reparations, so really the best you could do is work as many hours in a day as you can, pay tax and thus enable the UK to pay as much in reparations as it can", that leftwing thug would look at you like you'd gone mad and continue to vandalise. All the while thinking what he's doing is righteous and the best way to castigate the evil ruling class.

 

Perhaps the Antifa members should be targeted for a special tax, thereby enabling them to contribute monetarily to reparations payments to the former colonies. Then again, I suspect they don't earn that much.

 

[Rimmer]

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[BillStrangeOgre]

14 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

Why stop at statues? Let's knock down castles since they're no more than appalling monuments which speak to a time when a privileged few lived lives of relative comfort and plenty while the majority of the population eked out a pitiful feudal existence in downtrodden squalor.

 

We should cleanse all public spaces of any trace of the past - whitewashing history (although I'm sure there are people who object to the term 'whitewashing' on tortuous grounds of perceived ethnic connotations in the word) in order that no-one can be offended.

 

How far back do we need to go? How about Richard I outside the Palace of Westminster, who happily prosecuted the Third Crusade to the detriment of many Muslims. 

 

And while we're in Parliament Square, let's have a crack at the bigot Gandhi .. oh, actually, someone already has.

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/35-cops-injured-in-further-london-violence-as-gandhi-statue-defaced/articleshow/76269593.cms

 

The most illiberal these days seem to be the purported liberals championing 'diversity and inclusion', except when it's inconvenient for it to apply.

 

 

...of course, always a rallying cry of those that cannot find solid argument in the subject matter is to claim 'it's just the thin edge of the wedge' and then cite some ridiculous extremes of where all this will lead as an argument to stop...

Let the protesters have their moment and topple a few dubious statutes, they do have a point. And at the end of the day, it's better than looting, violence and wanton destruction of stuff that matters ????

In a few weeks all of this will pass...

[TEFLKrabi]

I see some countries are suggesting reparations. How about the billions of $$$ sent in aid every year that the greedy dictators siphon off to their Swiss bank accounts. Sort your own house out first before telling me about mine.

[Logosone]

Can you imagine that?

 

The Prime minister has just announced that members of Antifa and Black Lives Matter protesters will be registered and subject to a special reparations tax to enable the UK to pay reparations to former slaves and the colonies.

 

Such tax payments will also be attached pro rata to benefit payments.

 

Witness how quickly the entire UK suddenly lauds the colonial past ????

 

 

[BillStrangeOgre]

23 minutes ago, bannork said:

The DNA of Brits contains 60% European ancestry. Ruled by the Romans, raped by pillaging Scandinavians, conquered by the Normans.

There's not so much Brit in the average little Englander.

They can't see that in their quest for an identity as a pure race ????

[Logosone]

14 minutes ago, TEFLKrabi said:

I see some countries are suggesting reparations. How about the billions of $$$ sent in aid every year that the greedy dictators siphon off to their Swiss bank accounts. Sort your own house out first before telling me about mine.

Well, if you take India for example development aid is a tiny percentage of the UK GDP, however, the amount the UK looted from India is staggering by comparison. One does not weigh up the damage done by centuries of exploitation, famine, wars etc.

[phantomfiddler]

May I suggest a statue of Nelson Mandela in drag ! That should keep most of them happy, for a while at least, easily manipulated as they are ????

[ratcatcher]

3 hours ago, phetphet said:

I wonder if any of them are studying under a Rhodes scholarship, or indeed at Rhodes College. Will they want to change the name of that? Or turn in their scholarships?

Glad you mentioned that, here are a few notable Rhodes scholars (notable only in that they are well known and not necessarily upstanding citizens).

William Clinton, Tony Abbott (Aus) , Malcolm Turnbull (Aus), Susan Rice (USA), Corey Booker (USA), Chrystia Freeland (Can), Rachel Maddow (MSNBC), Pete Buttigieg (USA)

To name but a few. If they take Rhodes' statue down, cease giving Rhodes scholarships (financed by the blood , sweat and tears of South Africans, Rhodesians and others involved in the diamond industry in Kimberley South Africa (De Beers).

Taking down the statue of a gay scholar and dreamer. Good move?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rhodes_Scholars

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, transam said:

It is still GB history, statues are erected by those in authority at the time, for what ever reason..

And taken down by those in authority at the time. Just look at London where they are getting rid of these statues to glorify slave traders.