2 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

No doubt he was one of those people back in 2016 who honestly believed Clinton would win by millions of votes to nothing and then when the results came back sat in front of the telly in an apoplectic fit of consternation and humiliated expectations. And has never gotten over the butt-hurt since!

You obviously think you know me. You know nothing about me and everything you assume happens just in your imagination.

I guess for you it's best to dream on. Reality would be too difficult for you to handle.

7 hours ago, tlandtday said:

Biden is sounding dumber by the day.  He should have been ousted years ago and is nothing but a classical used car salesman turned dirty politician.

Well said.

1 hour ago, jcsmith said:

If you can't see the difference between those two statements then you are intentionally shutting your eyes. Trump refused to say that he would accept the results of an election. And this was during a time when he was going around and telling people that it was a rigged election. Biden said his concern is that Trump will try to cheat to steal the election, he didn't say anything about him not accepting the results if he loses. And the big difference here is that we already know for a fact that Trump has been trying to cheat to win an election. He was impeached over it.

 

Nobody really debates the fact that he did it. His defense was basically, "I did it, but there's nothing wrong with that." 

What both of those incidents have in common though is that Trump was trailing in the polls. He was the one who benefits the most from cheating. And let's be honest he's getting killed in the polls right now. Trailing by double digits in many. You have to really reach to find a poll where he's ahead. And he also has a lot to lose if he doesn't get re-elected. The crimes that he can not be prosecuted for while president have statues of limitations that will run out if he wins a second term. Given that and his history it's hard to imagine him not doing everything in his power to get re-elected. 

Have you forgotten trump's ongoing efforts at voter suppression? trump administration is so corrupt it requires constant Court battles to try and keep him in check from fraudulently overwhelming a credible national election.

Canada, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, India, Israel, Italy, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway and Sweden (and probably other countries) all require voter ID to vote. For some reason, leftists are up in arms about voter ID in the US, even though the Supreme Court has already decided on the legality.

 

Let's be honest.... Democrats rule the voter fraud market. From dead people voting to handing out voter registration cards to newly-arrived refugees, they are always looking for new ways to corrupt democracy.

 

This is nothing new. If anything, their irrational hatred of Trump has made them more desperate.

 

So when Biden babbles about Trump trying to steal the election, now more than ever one must realize the Democrats are doing that which they accuse the Republicans of doing.

15 hours ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

That is not a lie, he never said that, you are putting words in his mouth because you are unhappy that President Obama won a Noble Peace Prize....

Even if him promising troop withdrawls was a lie, which it was not, what exactly did a President elect - who at that point had done nothing, but make a whole lot of promises, he mostly didn't keep - get a nobel peace prize for?

 

Did he get it because he was half-Black (but raised, as is so often the case, without his Black daddy) and got elected? What was his grand achievement for deserving it? It was virtue signalling, nothing else. And of course he didn't say it as I put it in the quote. It's a nickname I have for him.

Everybody knows Ol'Joe is incapable of performing the job, and probably even of functioning through a campaign. His inchoate utterances on events and policy make Donald Trump sound like Ralph Waldo Emerson. He’s left behind himself an evidence trail of financial crimes running to at least nine digits of grift. And, of course, if you believe all women, he’s a sexual molester. Everything about his public presentation is false, including his hair, teeth, and soul.

As sad as it may be,Trump is the only titan fully qualified to drive America off the cliff.

10 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

So when Biden babbles about Trump trying to steal the election, now more than ever one must realize the Democrats are doing that which they accuse the Republicans of doing.

That's why Hillary accuses everyone she dislikes of Russian collusion. 

 

How someone views others reflects their true nature.

 

2 minutes ago, HaleySabai said:

Everybody knows Ol'Joe is incapable of performing the job, and probably even of functioning through a campaign. His inchoate utterances on events and policy make Donald Trump sound like Ralph Waldo Emerson. He’s left behind himself an evidence trail of financial crimes running to at least nine digits of grift. And, of course, if you believe all women, he’s a sexual molester. Everything about his public presentation is false, including his hair, teeth, and soul.

As sad as it may be,Trump is the only titan fully qualified to drive America off the cliff.

Old Joe needs to stay locked up in the basement away from any women, a phone, or any communication. If he ever comes out he'll likely want to show how tough he is. Really, no one is afraid of Old Joe unless he's elected. OMG. Best stay in Thailand.

34 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Canada, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, India, Israel, Italy, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway and Sweden (and probably other countries) all require voter ID to vote. For some reason, leftists are up in arms about voter ID in the US, even though the Supreme Court has already decided on the legality.

 

Let's be honest.... Democrats rule the voter fraud market. From dead people voting to handing out voter registration cards to newly-arrived refugees, they are always looking for new ways to corrupt democracy.

 

This is nothing new. If anything, their irrational hatred of Trump has made them more desperate.

 

So when Biden babbles about Trump trying to steal the election, now more than ever one must realize the Democrats are doing that which they accuse the Republicans of doing.

What you don't note is that citizens in most of those countries are required by law to have a government ID card. Not so in the USA. So, are you in favor of mandatory ID cards for US citizens? That would solve the problem.

And in Canada where that's not the case, they make it very easy by allowing for a wide range of documentation.

https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e

So, are you in favor of mandatory ID cards for US citizens?

 

As for the voter fraud allegations...5 states in which the governors and legislatures were Republican launched investigations into voter fraud. they came up with virtually nothing. Still looking for those shills from Massachusetts who voted in New Hampshire?

54 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Have you forgotten trump's ongoing efforts at voter suppression? trump administration is so corrupt it requires constant Court battles to try and keep him in check from fraudulently overwhelming a credible national election.

Yeah and I'll tell you what else I notice. Is all the usual suspect Trump defenders in here will never actually address points people make head on. They will give you a weird emote but they won't address the facts and will instead talk around them because there's no good way to defend his actions. 

20 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

What you don't note is that citizens in most of those countries are required by law to have a government ID card. Not so in the USA. So, are you in favor of mandatory ID cards for US citizens? That would solve the problem.

And in Canada where that's not the case, they make it very easy by allowing for a wide range of documentation.

https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e

So, are you in favor of mandatory ID cards for US citizens?

 

As for the voter fraud allegations...5 states in which the governors and legislatures were Republican launched investigations into voter fraud. they came up with virtually nothing. Still looking for those shills from Massachusetts who voted in New Hampshire?

The Dem's don't trust the Rep's. The Rep's don't trust the Dem's. Why not ask an Independent country to monitor the election? Russia perhaps; or China? I'd be happy with Germany or England ensuring fair play.

 

When the Americans can't trust the other Americans to play cricket, it's no wonder the world is in turmoil.

 

On 6/12/2020 at 2:38 PM, Baerboxer said:

 

And making it easier for illegal immigrants to vote, multiple voting, and organized voting. 

 

Not that the Democrats, or left wing would ever cheat. They only do that when they know there's no chance of it mattering when they get caught!

Even  Trump's own voting integrity commission, set up by him specifically to uncover voter fraud, couldn't find any evidence of it.

 

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The now-disbanded voting integrity commission launched by the Trump administration uncovered no evidence to support claims of widespread voter fraud, according to an analysis of administration documents released Friday.

 

Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud

But you know who did apparently commit voter fraud? Donald Trump.

 

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... when Trump registered to vote in Florida, he claimed the White House as his legal residence. On the same day he filled out his voter registration, however, Trump formally declared himself a “bona fide resident” of Palm Beach, the location of his Mar-a-Lago club. The president therefore tried to register to vote under an out-of-state address that is not, in fact, his legal residence.

 

Donald Trump felony voter fraud

I believe trump said he would leave if he were not re-elected.

 

Hopefully his departure does not involve a ramp...it might take a while.

 

 

3 hours ago, owl sees all said:

When the Americans can't trust the other Americans to play cricket, it's no wonder the world is in turmoil.

Well that is the problem - if they had a decent gentlemens' summer game, instead of playing rounders in crash helmets and long-johns, they would understand how to play by the rules!

6 hours ago, jcsmith said:

And the big difference here is that we already know for a fact that Trump has been trying to cheat to win an election. He was impeached over it.

 

He was not impeached. They attempted an impeachment, which was nothing but a waste of time and taxpayer money, as they had no real reason to impeach him. No real proof of any wrongdoing, nothing. Just a whole lot of bla bla and conjecture.

 

There was real proof, when they tried to impeach Bill Clinton, which was shut down by the Dem majority, even though there was clear proof of Clinton committing perjury in front of the whole nation (including PHYSICAL proof, on a certain woman's dress).

 

And as for the first sentence, I quoted:

 

This is exactly why I loathe the media so much, these days. It is nothing but twisting the facts, and outright lies. Trump said he'd drain the swamp (of corruption). Which is exactly what the Ukraine-Affair is all about, and exactly what he was doing. Grabby Hands' son, Hunter, received a no-work job which he wasn't even qualified for, and an outrageously high salary on top of that, in exchange for political favours by daddy Joe. That is not only called corruption, but it's also called nepotism (though more like male infantism ???? in this case).

 

It's very Mafia-esque too, since the Mafia people use no-work/no-show jobs, to receive and show legal income, so they can buy big cars and houses etc. and it makes it harder to seize them, when they go down.

 

There is zero actual proof, of Trump pressuring Ukraine's president to do the investigation. And even if there was, which US President HASN'T used foreign/military aid, and even their power in the IMF, in order to influence policy (which is even worse, FAR worse, than having a corruption inquiry done) in another country?!

 

What Biden and his baby boy did, NEEDS to be made public (which it was, however the media was quick to pull the focus away from them, and shift it onto Trump instead, which is disgusting), and STOPPED. As well as PUNISHED.

 

But apparently that's the kind of president you guys want. Someone who touches women inappropriately (rather than just making off coloured, locker room-esque jokes about it, while on a hot mic), who can't even speak coherently, is too old, and has a history of nepotism/corruption (and not just him, but his son also).... I guess you're so desperate, to get rid of "bad Orange man", that anyone will do. Maybe Don King should run. At least he will guarantee some of the minority vote. "Only in Amurrrrrica!"

3 minutes ago, FarangULong said:

He was not impeached. They attempted an impeachment, which was nothing but a waste of time and taxpayer money, as they had no real reason to impeach him. No real proof of any wrongdoing, nothing. Just a whole lot of bla bla and conjecture.

 

There was real proof, when they tried to impeach Bill Clinton, which was shut down by the Dem majority, even though there was clear proof of Clinton committing perjury in front of the whole nation (including PHYSICAL proof, on a certain woman's dress).

 

And as for the first sentence, I quoted:

 

This is exactly why I loathe the media so much, these days. It is nothing but twisting the facts, and outright lies. Trump said he'd drain the swamp (of corruption). Which is exactly what the Ukraine-Affair is all about, and exactly what he was doing. Grabby Hands' son, Hunter, received a no-work job which he wasn't even qualified for, and an outrageously high salary on top of that, in exchange for political favours by daddy Joe. That is not only called corruption, but it's also called nepotism (though more like male infantism ???? in this case).

 

It's very Mafia-esque too, since the Mafia people use no-work/no-show jobs, to receive and show legal income, so they can buy big cars and houses etc. and it makes it harder to seize them, when they go down.

 

There is zero actual proof, of Trump pressuring Ukraine's president to do the investigation. And even if there was, which US President HASN'T used foreign/military aid, and even their power in the IMF, in order to influence policy (which is even worse, FAR worse, than having a corruption inquiry done) in another country?!

 

What Biden and his baby boy did, NEEDS to be made public (which it was, however the media was quick to pull the focus away from them, and shift it onto Trump instead, which is disgusting), and STOPPED. As well as PUNISHED.

 

But apparently that's the kind of president you guys want. Someone who touches women inappropriately (rather than just making off coloured, locker room-esque jokes about it, while on a hot mic), who can't even speak coherently, is too old, and has a history of nepotism/corruption (and not just him, but his son also).... I guess you're so desperate, to get rid of "bad Orange man", that anyone will do. Maybe Don King should run. At least he will guarantee some of the minority vote. "Only in Amurrrrrica!"

Don't be ridiculous.

Of course 45 was impeached.

He was not convicted and removed.

This is basic stuff, dude.

They are two separate things.

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Don't be ridiculous.

Of course 45 was impeached.

He was not convicted and removed.

This is basic stuff, dude.

They are two separate things.

So he is innocent.  

@FarangULong: I'm not quoting due to the size of the post.

Trump was impeached by the House of Representatives. He didn't get removed from office because similar to Bill Clinton it failed to get past the senate. 

To say that there was zero evidence though is another one of those cases where you have to really shut your eyes plug your fingers in your ears. John Bolton has confirmed it. You had multiple witnesses who heard his conversation with the EU Ambassador. The obvious timing of it all, the confirmation by Sondland. Mulvaney basically said there was a quid quo pro, get over it. He did it. It just didn't matter to republicans. 

10 hours ago, taxout said:

"There has always been something wrong with the American voting system, Trump won the last election, but, had less votes nationwide than Clinton."

 

So odd given the results of the last election that there hasn't been a peep in over three years -- not one single peep -- from Obama or Biden or either Clinton or any other prominent Democrat to reform the electoral college system.

 

Why?

 

Because under current demographics, the Electoral College system gives the Democratic candidate a lock on the 84 Electoral College votes of New York and California. And no way are they going to give that up. Which means that if you live in one of those states, your vote for Trump isn't going to count for anything, so why bother. And of course that  affects Trump vote totals.

 

 

 

 

 

OK that goes for any state that is a notoriously loyal to a party. The state I am from is notoriously red, as red as it gets. We have not seen a local presidential campaign commercial or ad in at least 20 years (the only ones we see are national ads) and during campaign season neither parties' candidates EVER...and I mean NEVER come to talk to us. The parties know where my state is going and they are not going to waste time and resources trying to convince us otherwise. After primary season we do not see anybody until after they have been elected. That electoral college barn door swings both ways. I vote but there have been many elections (like the last five) where I know my vote does not mean anything as far as actually deciding who the POTUS will be because of the electoral college. I vote because I can in good conscious say that I did indeed vote, I did the very least I could do to voice my opinion. If the candidate I voted for does not win, I can certainly complain when the person in office is not serving what I feel are the best interests of myself and the people around me. And this applies ESPECIALLY if my candidate does win and I am not happy with their performance then I can REALLY complain that they are not getting the job done.

 

Voting is more than deciding a president and individuals have far more power voting for govs, senators, congress and local officials. But to attribute Trump not winning the popular vote because people do not go out and vote for him in California and New York and discount or not attribute that same theory the other way in other states is self serving at best. 

 

By the way I am in favor of the electoral college because without it Los Angeles, New York, Chicago and Houston would basically decide every election...the electoral college is not perfect but it does a better job of reflecting the national interests instead of allowing dense urban interest to dominate the elections. And yes, this does not work out for me as far as who I would prefer to be in office because if there was no electoral college, people that are the POTUS now would not be...however I am STILL in favor of the electoral college because I do believe it serves the cross section of the country and the nation will go on long after the current POTUS loses in November. Congress is where popular vote of the country's power truly is in my opinion.

 

5 minutes ago, rabas said:

So he is innocent.  

It does not mean that and you know that. Stop with the silly games. It only means he wasn't convicted. That is not the same thing as being proven innocent. Basic stuff.

10 hours ago, riclag said:

The dems tried a similar narrative(shock) back during the debates when the commentator asked Mr. Trump if he would accept the election results if he lost . His response was it depends! The dems and their propaganda machine were horrified that he said that

 

 

 

 

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a GOP senator from South Carolina who has refused to back Trump, said in a statement that the Republican nominee was "doing the party and country a great disservice by continuing to suggest the outcome of this election is out of his hands and 'rigged' against him. If he loses, it will not be because the system is 'rigged' but because he failed as a candidate."

 

Funny how it was more than just the left that was HORRIFIED...

 

And since you are big on "gotta source for that":

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/19/donald-trump-election-results-reaction/92445068/

 

Let me guess, they are biased and fake news.....*yawn*

28 minutes ago, rabas said:

So he is innocent.  

Not this stuff again & again. As you well know only due to republicans not acting in accordance to their Oath of Office. 

1 hour ago, FarangULong said:

What Biden and his baby boy did, NEEDS to be made public (which it was, however the media was quick to pull the focus away from them, and shift it onto Trump instead, which is disgusting), and STOPPED. As well as PUNISHED.

Lol! If it is such an obvious case of corruption, why did Trump follow a crooked way instead opening an official investigation?

The GOP has been ruling the DOJ for nearly 4 years and the DOJ has done nothing. Barr, what are you doing? Are you covering up Biden?

????????????????

On 6/12/2020 at 2:53 PM, FarangULong said:

Since landtrout seems to be stalking me now, and doing his sad/laugh/confused emotes on most of my posts, I will elaborate:

 

But on 1 July, since Hofer had lost to Van der Bellen by 30,863 votes and the Court found that more than twice that number (77,926^[87]) had been affected by breaches of the electoral code,^[86] The Constitutional Court ordered that the second round be held again.^[85] Noting the irregularities, the Court said in a statement: "It is completely clear to the Constitutional Court that laws regulating an election must be rigorously applied ... This must rule out abuse and manipulations."^[88]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Austrian_presidential_election#Result_cancelled

 

The problem is, that voters here are dumb and punish a party for causing re-elections (not a one of thing, happens pretty much everytime there is a coalition break up, etc.), so Hofer ended up losing far more decisively. Unfortunately.

 

And that was only the fraud and the irregularities they could prove for sure. The double votes were people abusing the mail in voting system, which was almost exclusively the people voting for the green party candidate (van der bellen, who only got elected because all hte other parties banded together telling their voters to vote for him in the head on head round, as we can't have a patriotic president... we need an old lefty with brown teeth etc instead, as that's such a great representation for our country...). People were indeed caught selling their vote in cards. Certain heads of families from a certain religious group would collect mail vote cards from the family, to make sure all votes go to the social dems (and in the final round to the green party guy). I can provide sources for all of this, but I guess it won't matter to Mr. Landtrout... for certain people only their rose coloured view of the World counts, not actual facts...

 

If you think the same or similar abuse is impossible in the US, then I actually pity you. Mail voting is seriously flawed, and very hard to keep track of.

Why don't you explain what vote problems in Austria have to do with US elections?  Better yet, why don't you come up with a single example of election fraud affecting the result of a national or state-wide election in the U.S?

 

There probably some idiots who use mail-in ballots to vote twice in an election, thus providing documented proof they committed a crime.  Most people look at the risk, which is high, and the reward, which is generally non-existent, and choose not to.  That is why there is no evidence of voter fraud on a scale that would affect a state or national election.

Some inflammatory posts, troll posts and the replies have been removed.

21 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Wouldn't be too overconfident. Theres still some debating to do, unless your guy refuses, and the news cycle changes weekly. 

Biden would do very well debating Trump, as he actually reads, and would know about the issues. Sheer rhetoric and bullying tactics, that have worked so well in the past, will not work this time. Not with the protests, and his lame, pathetic, anemic, and cowardly reaction to them. He is making himself less relevant by the day, and he absolutely cannot help but say the wrong thing. His level of tone deadness and his lack of sympathy, empathy, or willingness to even admit that there are issues at stake, are a stunning contrast to a movement that has mobilized the planet. I honestly never thought I would see Americans taking to the streets again in my lifetime. I cannot tell you how proud I am of the peaceful protestors. It tells me alot, and says the nation still has a soul, which I feared it did not.

 

No, I am not supporting anarchy (at least not openly) and no, I am not supporting rioting. But 99.9% of the protests are now peaceful, and they are a gorgeous thing to witness. It was about time, for the common man to rise up and take a stand against injustice. Hurricane Maria beat Trump. Covid beat Trump. And now George Floyd is giving him the long overdue beating of his lifetime. 

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Biden would do very well debating Trump, as he actually reads, and would know about the issues. Sheer rhetoric and bullying tactics, that have worked so well in the past, will not work this time. Not with the protests, and his lame, pathetic, anemic, and cowardly reaction to them. He is making himself less relevant by the day, and he absolutely cannot help but say the wrong thing. His level of tone deadness and his lack of sympathy, empathy, or willingness to even admit that there are issues at stake, are a stunning contrast to a movement that has mobilized the planet. I honestly never thought I would see Americans taking to the streets again in my lifetime. I cannot tell you how proud I am of the peaceful protestors. It tells me alot, and says the nation still has a soul, which I feared it did not.

 

No, I am not supporting anarchy (at least not openly) and no, I am not supporting rioting. But 99.9% of the protests are now peaceful, and they are a gorgeous thing to witness. It was about time, for the common man to rise up and take a stand against injustice. Hurricane Maria beat Trump. Covid beat Trump. And now George Floyd is giving him the long overdue beating of his lifetime. 

I too have a heart felt feeling about people in general, the communal well being that has been demonstrated.  The hope I see in change.

Never did I ever think for a moment that I would say I am a proud American again.

9 hours ago, FarangULong said:

Even if him promising troop withdrawls was a lie, which it was not, what exactly did a President elect - who at that point had done nothing, but make a whole lot of promises, he mostly didn't keep - get a nobel peace prize for?

 

Did he get it because he was half-Black (but raised, as is so often the case, without his Black daddy) and got elected? What was his grand achievement for deserving it? It was virtue signalling, nothing else. And of course he didn't say it as I put it in the quote. It's a nickname I have for him.

 The reason you put it in quotes was because he didn't say it? Time for a punctuation review.

On 6/13/2020 at 6:13 PM, FarangULong said:

Would you like me to give you a rundown of Dem President lies? Such as Bill "C-Stain/Perjury" Clinton? Barrack "I got a nobel peace prize for promising a troop withdrawl, only to double troop strenght as soon as I took office" Obama?

 

Every politicians lies/"lies" and/or makes promises, that for some reason or other turns out to be unrealistic.

Let's not forget Obama's biggest lies. Promising to close Guantanamo before becoming president, and such monsters as "if you like your plan you can keep your plan" and "if you like your Dr you can keep your Dr".