Biden says military would help oust Trump if he loses election but refuses to leave

[OZinPattaya]

On 6/11/2020 at 7:13 PM, PatOngo said:

Both sides of the fence look bad right now, the Chinese will be very happy! 

Very well spoken. They do. Very happy doesn't even begin to describe the positive jubilation of the Chinese right now.

Given the civil unrest in America, somehow I seriously doubt that Great Britain and Europe are going to fill the vacuum where China is concerned. You think China worries about England and Europe?

Edited June 16, 2020 by OZinPattaya

[OZinPattaya]

On 6/12/2020 at 2:54 AM, Brunolem said:

So it seems that Biden still has moments of lucidity when he comes out of his basement looking for some natural light.

 

One wonders how the Democrats, supported by the younger/socialist generations, couldn't find a candidate among the Boomers, and had to go get out of retirement a guy from the Silent Generation!

 

Since Biden will probably be institutionalized after losing what remains of his marbles, long before the end of his term, a lot of attention should be given to his running mate...

 

Having said that, if Trump is reelected in November, expect nothing short of a full blown civil war in the US...

 

A civil war entirely of the Left's making. Which I can tell you will be more than welcomed by the hitherto silent Right, which has been lurking in the shadows and itching for this for a long time. Watching the Antifa whelps revolting with impunity, while the radical Right is chomping at the bit.

[OZinPattaya]

16 hours ago, Tug said:

Donalds mental illness won’t let him accept when he looses look the man has solicited foreign interference in the election he refuses to back legislative moves to protect our elections he accepted help from foreigners in 2016 the one and only reason he’s hasent been indicted on that is because he is a sitting potus and Billie Barr is his pet da we see it we haven’t forgotten come on November!!!

The mental illness is Donald's? Won't let him accept when he loses? Seriously? The fact is, the Dems have zero moral ground here. They went out to impeach this president by hook or crook--the ends justifying the means--in the process lost all credibility except for their hysterical choir, and now have the hypocritical audacity to speculate that Trump might stoop to the same level of anti-democratic turpitude that they themselves practically invented.

Edited June 16, 2020 by OZinPattaya

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, heybruce said:

And yet Trump refused to say he would accept losing the 2016 election and refuses to say he will accept losing the 2020 election. 

SO WHAT?

He might but he can't stay in the W H if he loses, PERIOD, and the military not needed either.

However keep up the faux alarmism if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

[Masterton]

On 6/15/2020 at 9:41 PM, heybruce said:

"As a general rule, Democrats usually accuse others of doing what they are doing."

 

Hilarious.  People make legitimate accusations of corruption against Trump and his response is to accuse them of corruption.  People remind everyone that Trump started the claims of the election being rigged in 2016 and now Trump supporters are accusing the Democrats of making voter suppression claims to cover up for an impending loss.  Now you are claiming that Biden is the "definition of the DC Swamp" and ignoring all the lobbyists and corporate figures Trump appointed to important offices, often getting waivers of ethics rules in order to do so, all the scandals these people are responsible for, and all the financial conflicts of interest Trump is profiting from.

 

I credit you with taking hypocrisy to the next level:  Trump routinely accuses others of doing what he does, now you are accusing the Democrats of doing the same.

 

Incorrect. All you are doing is repeating Democrat talking points and media spin and thinking that makes a legitimate argument. Democrats have a history of cheating in elections, haven't you heard the expression "Dead people always vote Democrat" ?? This is not a new phenomenon that Trump started. California registered untold numbers of illegal immigrants to vote when they issued them with drivers licenses. California also has a huge amount of illegal immigrants in their population and also won the so-called yet meaningless 'popular vote' by the largest margin in the country. I am sure that was just a coincidence right? Yet we are all supposed to believe that zero illegal immigrants voted in the 2016 election? Come on.

 

They tried their nonsense in the 2018 midterms also. Democrats are the ones who always accuse the Republicans of 'voter suppression'. According to them, requiring them to produce a valid ID is 'voter suppression'. Interesting how you completely gloss over Biden's corruption during his vice presidency including but not limited to enriching his family members when he was 'point man' in Ukraine, China, and Iraq. Interesting too how the Democrat media completely gloss over that because it goes against their narrative. Trump is not "profiting from financial conflicts of interest", don't be absurd. You really need to remove the anti Trump blinkers and open your eyes to what is really going on in the US. Some might say that lying and leaking a fake dossier to the media in order to accuse a rival running for office of treason is one way of "rigging an election". The timing of the media attack stories and the fake polls showing Hillary Clinton ahead by huge margins etc also contribute towards this end. Biden and his brainless surrogates in the media are just preemptively planting the idea that Trump is going to "steal" the election so that they have an excuse and something/someone to blame when they lose. 

[heybruce]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

SO WHAT?

He might but he can't stay in the W H if he loses, PERIOD, and the military not needed either.

However keep up the faux alarmism if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

So what?

 

So Trump has been handed a freebee.  If he intends to play by the rules all he has to do is say so. Wouldn't that make Biden look foolish?

 

Why won't Trump do so?

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Masterton said:

 

Incorrect. All you are doing is repeating Democrat talking points and media spin and thinking that makes a legitimate argument. Democrats have a history of cheating in elections, haven't you heard the expression "Dead people always vote Democrat" ?? This is not a new phenomenon that Trump started. California registered untold numbers of illegal immigrants to vote when they issued them with drivers licenses. California also has a huge amount of illegal immigrants in their population and also won the so-called yet meaningless 'popular vote' by the largest margin in the country. I am sure that was just a coincidence right? Yet we are all supposed to believe that zero illegal immigrants voted in the 2016 election? Come on.

 

They tried their nonsense in the 2018 midterms also. Democrats are the ones who always accuse the Republicans of 'voter suppression'. According to them, requiring them to produce a valid ID is 'voter suppression'. Interesting how you completely gloss over Biden's corruption during his vice presidency including but not limited to enriching his family members when he was 'point man' in Ukraine, China, and Iraq. Interesting too how the Democrat media completely gloss over that because it goes against their narrative. Trump is not "profiting from financial conflicts of interest", don't be absurd. You really need to remove the anti Trump blinkers and open your eyes to what is really going on in the US. Some might say that lying and leaking a fake dossier to the media in order to accuse a rival running for office of treason is one way of "rigging an election". The timing of the media attack stories and the fake polls showing Hillary Clinton ahead by huge margins etc also contribute towards this end. Biden and his brainless surrogates in the media are just preemptively planting the idea that Trump is going to "steal" the election so that they have an excuse and something/someone to blame when they lose. 

A legitimate argument requires verifiable facts.  If illegal immigrants voted, they would give both documented evidence of doing something illegal, and they would also give an address they could be reached at.  You should have no problem providing facts showing this type of election fraud took place.  Go ahead and do so.

 

You think Trump is not profiting from conflicts of interest?  I'll make a deal with you.  I will agree to provide verifiable examples of Trump using the Presidency for personal profit if you agree to provide verifiable examples of Biden's corruption.  Please note that these must be clear, obvious examples, not your opinion of appearances.

 

I'll even go first, after you accept the challenge.  However if I provide clear examples and you fail to do so, you will be clearly identifying yourself as a mindless troll.  Do you accept my challenge?

[Crazy Alex]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

So what?

 

So Trump has been handed a freebee.  If he intends to play by the rules all he has to do is say so. Wouldn't that make Biden look foolish?

 

Why won't Trump do so?

Why should he agree to play by "the rules" before he sees whether Democrats play by the rules? And how can you expect to be taken seriously when no one asked Hillary or Biden if they agree to accept the election results? 

[Crazy Alex]

On 6/15/2020 at 9:48 PM, Tug said:

Donalds mental illness won’t let him accept when he looses look the man has solicited foreign interference in the election he refuses to back legislative moves to protect our elections he accepted help from foreigners in 2016 the one and only reason he’s hasent been indicted on that is because he is a sitting potus and Billie Barr is his pet da we see it we haven’t forgotten come on November!!!

You are posting obvious lies. The Mueller report says the Trump campaign did not conspire with Russians to win the election.

 

The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campain.”

 

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/

 

It is long past time for you to stop posting obvious lies about collusion.

[Crazy Alex]

On 6/15/2020 at 10:11 PM, heybruce said:

And yet Trump refused to say he would accept losing the 2016 election and refuses to say he will accept losing the 2020 election. 

Let's have a race. Your stock vehicle versus mine. No modifications. And when I win, only for you to find out I secretly installed a nitrous oxide system on my engine or cheated in some other fashion, you still agree to concede you lost and let it go. Right?

[johnpetersen]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

You are posting obvious lies. The Mueller report says the Trump campaign did not conspire with Russians to win the election.

 

The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campain.”

 

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/

 

It is long past time for you to stop posting obvious lies about collusion.

Actually, those of us who are somewhat more familiar with the Mueller report know that is said Trump could not be absolved of obstruction of justice. Just that he couldn't be prosecuted criminally because of justice dept. policy on criminal prosecution of a sitting President. So we don't really know what it was that Trump may have obstructed. It could have included interfering with the Russian investigation.

[Stadtler]

Why don't you ask the more important question:  What are Biden's pronouns?

[Crazy Alex]

2 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

Actually, those of us who are somewhat more familiar with the Mueller report know that is said Trump could not be absolved of obstruction of justice. Just that he couldn't be prosecuted criminally because of justice dept. policy on criminal prosecution of a sitting President. So we don't really know what it was that Trump may have obstructed. It could have included interfering with the Russian investigation.

Actually, those of us who are more familiar know the Mueller report said it couldn't EXONERATE (not absolve) Trump of obstruction of justice. And those of us who understand the US justice system know that no American need be exonerated. One is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Your attempt to portray otherwise is hilarious. And while you post about "could have" and "may have", I'll go ahead and stick with REALITY.

[johnpetersen]

58 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Actually, those of us who are more familiar know the Mueller report said it couldn't EXONERATE (not absolve) Trump of obstruction of justice. And those of us who understand the US justice system know that no American need be exonerated. One is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Your attempt to portray otherwise is hilarious. And while you post about "could have" and "may have", I'll go ahead and stick with REALITY.

Untrue. As I've pointed out, the Mueller report indicated that an indictment of Trump couldn't be pursued because the Justice Dept policy states that you can't criminally indict a sitting President.

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, johnpetersen said:

Untrue. As I've pointed out, the Mueller report indicated that an indictment of Trump couldn't be pursued because the Justice Dept policy states that you can't criminally indict a sitting President.

Specifically, what did I say that was untrue?

[Crazy Alex]

51 minutes ago, candide said:

Lol! As if Trump's statements were to be trusted! ????

Whose statements do you trust?

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Why should he agree to play by "the rules" before he sees whether Democrats play by the rules? And how can you expect to be taken seriously when no one asked Hillary or Biden if they agree to accept the election results? 

Trump is the one who has been challenging election integrity, without evidence, since 2016.

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Let's have a race. Your stock vehicle versus mine. No modifications. And when I win, only for you to find out I secretly installed a nitrous oxide system on my engine or cheated in some other fashion, you still agree to concede you lost and let it go. Right?

There is a difference between refusing to concede after you've discovered cheating and refusing to concede based on speculation that someone will cheat.

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Actually, those of us who are more familiar know the Mueller report said it couldn't EXONERATE (not absolve) Trump of obstruction of justice. And those of us who understand the US justice system know that no American need be exonerated. One is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Your attempt to portray otherwise is hilarious. And while you post about "could have" and "may have", I'll go ahead and stick with REALITY.

Please tell that to people who have convicted Biden of vague crimes without evidence or a trial.

[Crazy Alex]

Just now, heybruce said:

Trump is the one who has been challenging election integrity, without evidence, since 2016.

Your dodge is noted. Now let's get back to what is being discussed. Here, let me help out. Why haven't Hillary or Biden been asked about accepting election results, especially given how Hillary says Trump is an illegitimate president who stole the election. And no, I haven't forgotten your bogus assertion that Hillary blamed the Russians. Hopefully, you remember the schooling on that I gave you just a few days ago.

[Crazy Alex]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

There is a difference between refusing to concede after you've discovered cheating and refusing to concede based on speculation that someone will cheat.

Well, Democrats are known for cheating in elections, so a wise person isn't going to agree to concede an election when running against people who register dead people, hand out voter registration cards to refugees just arriving in the US and the various voter registration scams Democrats have been caught in.

[Crazy Alex]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Please tell that to people who have convicted Biden of vague crimes without evidence or a trial.

Try to focus on what was posted, as Joe Biden has nothing to do with it:

 

Actually, those of us who are more familiar know the Mueller report said it couldn't EXONERATE (not absolve) Trump of obstruction of justice. And those of us who understand the US justice system know that no American need be exonerated. One is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Your attempt to portray otherwise is hilarious. And while you post about "could have" and "may have", I'll go ahead and stick with REALITY.

 

Is what I posted true or false?

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

Untrue. As I've pointed out, the Mueller report indicated that an indictment of Trump couldn't be pursued because the Justice Dept policy states that you can't criminally indict a sitting President.

Correct. Also correct is that a president CAN be prosecuted once left office. Mueller provided nothing to prosecute Trump with once he left office, ergo there is nothing related to the Mueller investigation to prosecute Trump with.

No matter how many times you repeat the same misinformation it won't change the reality.

[candide]

25 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Well, Democrats are known for cheating in elections, so a wise person isn't going to agree to concede an election when running against people who register dead people, hand out voter registration cards to refugees just arriving in the US and the various voter registration scams Democrats have been caught in.

And you can show evidence to back your accusations.... ????

[Crazy Alex]

Just now, candide said:

And you can show evidence to back your accusations.... ????

Yes, I can. Here, I'll pick one just for you, the one that is least known.

 

https://www.omaha.com/news/state_and_regional/nebraska-democratic-party-draws-fire-for-putting-voter-registration-forms-in-gift-baskets-for-refugees/article_251dda96-78e3-5be6-8ed0-98e33c13dadd.html

 

Now you know. You're welcome.

 

 

[candide]

8 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, I can. Here, I'll pick one just for you, the one that is least known.

 

https://www.omaha.com/news/state_and_regional/nebraska-democratic-party-draws-fire-for-putting-voter-registration-forms-in-gift-baskets-for-refugees/article_251dda96-78e3-5be6-8ed0-98e33c13dadd.html

 

Now you know. You're welcome.

 

 

Nice try! Have these refugees (or others) been registered?

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Your dodge is noted. Now let's get back to what is being discussed. Here, let me help out. Why haven't Hillary or Biden been asked about accepting election results, especially given how Hillary says Trump is an illegitimate president who stole the election. And no, I haven't forgotten your bogus assertion that Hillary blamed the Russians. Hopefully, you remember the schooling on that I gave you just a few days ago.

No dodge, a statement of fact.  Just as your source about Hillary stated that she blamed Russian interference for Trump's election.

 

I don't know why no one has asked Biden if he will accept election results.  Perhaps because he has never said anything to lead anyone to doubt that he would.  However I'm sure Biden wouldn't object to the question.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Well, Democrats are known for cheating in elections, so a wise person isn't going to agree to concede an election when running against people who register dead people, hand out voter registration cards to refugees just arriving in the US and the various voter registration scams Democrats have been caught in.

BS.  Give some credible sources to back up your claims.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Try to focus on what was posted, as Joe Biden has nothing to do with it:

 

Actually, those of us who are more familiar know the Mueller report said it couldn't EXONERATE (not absolve) Trump of obstruction of justice. And those of us who understand the US justice system know that no American need be exonerated. One is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Your attempt to portray otherwise is hilarious. And while you post about "could have" and "may have", I'll go ahead and stick with REALITY.

 

Is what I posted true or false?

Did I ever say it wasn't?  Are you so insecure about your posts you crave positive validation?

[heybruce]

36 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, I can. Here, I'll pick one just for you, the one that is least known.

 

https://www.omaha.com/news/state_and_regional/nebraska-democratic-party-draws-fire-for-putting-voter-registration-forms-in-gift-baskets-for-refugees/article_251dda96-78e3-5be6-8ed0-98e33c13dadd.html

 

Now you know. You're welcome.

 

 

50 voter registration forms inserted by the Democratic chairwomen then removed from the baskets before they were delivered. 

 

"“There is nothing illegal about what we did,” she said, adding that the form clearly explains that only citizens are eligible to vote. The intention, she said, was to familiarize refugees with the registration process."

 

Is that the best you can do?