Bad News from Cambodia

[problemfarang]

So cambodia says this.. I hope Laos dont do the same or 14 days quarantine ????

 

https://kh.usembassy.gov/new-cambodia-entry-requirements-and-covid-19-update/

 

they ask 3000$ deposit to enter the country. And many other payments from all foreigners will enter the country. this is a big problem and means lot. Imagine Laos will do the same thing... or Thailand.. 

 

You leave thailand to get a new NON-O visa and omg.. nightmare to come back. Also there is 14 days quarantine too for both Cambodia and Laos at the moment.

 

https://la.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/

 

 

Edited June 12, 2020 by problemfarang

[tlandtday]

nothing but a money grab good lucking getting any of it back...  of course this is peanuts for all the Chinese "gamblers" headed to Snooky to launder their money....

[problemfarang]

Just now, tlandtday said:

nothing but a money grab good lucking getting any of it back...  of course this is peanuts for all the Chinese "gamblers" headed to Snooky to launder their money....

 

yes. And also think like this: You go for a new NON-O ... 14 days in laos or cambodia and another 14 days in thailand... 28 days... damn

[heist]

Given how much work the IOs put into skimming an extra 300 thb off everything there is no way I would trust them with that amount of cash. Be cheaper to fly back to Australia every 3 months.  

[Keyser Soze666]

Wow..the world really has changed hasn't it. One thing they didn't do though is give any timeline?

[BritTim]

For countries with an elimination strategy for Covid-19, I think such conditions will be pretty standard. Within a few months, I expect travel bubbles to be negotiated which allow easier travel between certain countries that are virus free. This might, for instance, allow quarantine free travel between Thailand and Cambodia. The earliest I think this might happen is around September.

[john terry1001]

2 minutes ago, BritTim said:

For countries with an elimination strategy for Covid-19, I think such conditions will be pretty standard. Within a few months, I expect travel bubbles to be negotiated which allow easier travel between certain countries that are virus free. This might, for instance, allow quarantine free travel between Thailand and Cambodia. The earliest I think this might happen is around September.

Are you keeping your fingers crossed ????

[PerkinsCuthbert]

It's an absurd demand that will mean the end of mass tourism, upon which a significant section of the population has become dependent, if implemented long term; even more so with regards Thailand, if it imposes similar conditions.

[JackThompson]

1 hour ago, tlandtday said:

nothing but a money grab good lucking getting any of it back...  of course this is peanuts for all the Chinese "gamblers" headed to Snooky to launder their money....

Agree.  And the "treatment" costs are insane, given only the very old or already-sick are likely to even know if they ever had Covid.  Everyone entering could chip in $50 to a "covid treatment" fund, and they'd be able to pay for the treatment of the tiny minority who actually get "sick" (i.e. "actually have symptoms"), plus have a nice pot of cash left over.

 

But when you mix this in:

Quote

The Government of Cambodia has suspended the e-visa and visa-on-arrival programs until further notice. In addition, we understand Cambodian Embassies will only accept applications for diplomatic, official, and business visas and will not issue tourist or other visas to enter Cambodia at this time.

... that means the whole question is moot. 

[Pilotman]

1 hour ago, Keyser Soze666 said:

Wow..the world really has changed hasn't it. One thing they didn't do though is give any timeline?

yes it has changed and from what I can gather, Asia as a whole thinks that the western countries have all gone stark raving mad. Seeing the massive over reaction and violence in the UK with the BLM issues, they may well be right.  Thank Goodness I am not in the UK/US/Any western country, right now. Thailand is a model of calm and rationality in comparison. 

[Keyser Soze666]

6 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

yes it has changed and from what I can gather, Asia as a whole thinks that the western countries have all gone stark raving mad. Seeing the massive over reaction and violence in the UK with the BLM issues, they may well be right.  Thank Goodness I am not in the UK/US/Any western country, right now. Thailand is a model of calm and rationality in comparison. 

Maybe an over reaction re the BLM thing, not sure that has come into their thinking tbh. But yea, I think us Westerners will be the last welcomed back in many countries..

[Caldera]

Much as I would like to visit Cambodia, I would not trust them with a $3000 deposit. What if they don't return it promptly, before my departure? What if there's a false positive when they test myself or my fellow travelers? If anyone on your plane tests positive, you are subject to 14 days state quarantine. That's not a risk worth taking.

[problemfarang]

Let me add up another thing. Lets say Laos will do the same things or Thailand. Now imagine how many people can bring 3000$ with them. Also many people staying in thailand already started to ask money from their parents or friends. 

 

It will be a nightmare for the people in my situation: After july, go to Laos to get a new NON-O visa. 14 days in laos + 3000$. We all know that a very normal level hotel is around 400-500 baht in Savanakhet.. Daily food and so on.. you will spend min 1000 baht per day. dude... 

[Kelsall]

Looks like that Phnom Penh to Chiang Mai "no quarantine" budget flight ain't gonna happen. LOL

 

 

[ukrules]

I guess that's the end of any and all tourism to Cambodia until this is over.

 

What I don't understand is the need for both cash and insurance, why not just insurance?

 

Obviously with cash there's a lot more room for corruption.

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, PerkinsCuthbert said:

It's an absurd demand that will mean the end of mass tourism, upon which a significant section of the population has become dependent, if implemented long term; even more so with regards Thailand, if it imposes similar conditions.

I agree, it's the end of all tourism as nobody will want to travel for a 14 day quarantine.

I can't imagine any businessmen doing it either.

[Sujo]

8 minutes ago, ukrules said:

I guess that's the end of any and all tourism to Cambodia until this is over.

 

What I don't understand is the need for both cash and insurance, why not just insurance?

 

Obviously with cash there's a lot more room for corruption.

Correct. And also what if you are flying back out and on the day they refuse the refund. What can you do. Good luck with that.

 

i have never had any insurance for anything. So wont travel anywhere that requires it.

Edited June 12, 2020 by Sujo

[Kelsall]

The $3000 deposit along with the insurance requirement ensures Cambodia will get only "Quality Tourists."  Maybe Thailand will follow suit!  ????

[vermin on arrival]

12 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I agree, it's the end of all tourism as nobody will want to travel for a 14 day quarantine.

I can't imagine any businessmen doing it either.

I guess the trip to Siem Reap is off.

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, vermin on arrival said:

I guess the trip to Siem Reap is off.

Just as well, saves me a fortune on flights, hotel bills, beer and hookers.

Edited June 12, 2020 by BritManToo

[Boomer6969]

3 hours ago, BritTim said:

This might, for instance, allow quarantine free travel between Thailand and Cambodia. The earliest I think this might happen is around September.

And this would be applied based on the nationality of the passport, of course. Please don't raise the expectations of visa runners. 

[PerkinsCuthbert]

6 minutes ago, Boomer6969 said:

And this would be applied based on the nationality of the passport, of course. Please don't raise the expectations of visa runners. 

I'm afraid it would have to be. Imagine the queues backing up if the IO had to flick through each passport to check each arrival, claiming to have come from a CV-19 free country where he/she has spent the previous 14 days.

[86Tiger]

35 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

 

....What I don't understand is the need for both cash and insurance, why not just insurance?.....

 

 

I think it is a polite way to say please don't come to Cambodia

[BritTim]

6 minutes ago, Boomer6969 said:

3 hours ago, BritTim said:

This might, for instance, allow quarantine free travel between Thailand and Cambodia. The earliest I think this might happen is around September.

And this would be applied based on the nationality of the passport, of course. Please don't raise the expectations of visa runners. 

Actually, my expectation is that the passport country will not matter. I envisage all the countries in a travel bubble having the same quarantine requirement and other restrictions for those entering from infected countries. If, say, travelling from the US to Thailand, you would have to undergo quarantine in Thailand before onward travel to another Covid-19 free country within the bubble. That is what will enable relatively safe travel (even with full planes) between virus free countries. All this is going to take time to negotiate, but is clearly in the interests of the countries involved.

[vermin on arrival]

3 minutes ago, PerkinsCuthbert said:

I'm afraid it would have to be. Imagine the queues backing up if the IO had to flick through each passport to check each arrival, claiming to have come from a CV-19 free country where he/she has spent the previous 14 days.

Isn't the travel history in the computer they use based on passport number? Or is it just for the individual's history for that particular nation?

[BritTim]

2 minutes ago, vermin on arrival said:

Isn't the travel history in the computer they use based on passport number? Or is it just for the individual's history for that particular nation?

As a general rule, a country's immigration system only contains the traveller's immigration history for that country. Countries do not routinely share this information. There are probably some exceptions. The US has paid for equipment used by immigration of some countries, and I am almost certain the quid pro quo is access to their immigration data.

[Lacessit]

28 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Just as well, saves me a fortune on flights, hotel bills, beer and hookers.

Cheaper by far to buy your wife a WeightWatchers program.

[VBF]

59 minutes ago, ukrules said:

I guess that's the end of any and all tourism to Cambodia until this is over.

 

What I don't understand is the need for both cash and insurance, why not just insurance?

 

Obviously with cash there's a lot more room for corruption.

I was going to make that point too - the insurance (as long as it includes Covid) would seem to be far more reasonable...well, by comparison anyway ????

 

And to  @Pilotman despite all the stupidity going on in UK at present, I still feel more comfortable in UK at this time. At least our stupid idiots in charge don't have quite as many knee-jerk reactions as Asian stupid idiots in charge seem to! (Can I still say that, or is it too racist?) 

[blackcab]

It's worse than that. The announcement says that everyone will have to pay for $165 testing. Then, if any one person on the plane tests positive, everyone in the plane will be quarantined. Everyone will then pay $1,281 for their quarantine, whether they test positive or not. If you test positive, your treatment and quarantine will cost a minimum of $3,255.

 

First you need a $50,000 medical insurance policy and a covid 19 negative test dated within the previous 3 days.

 

Enter Cambodia, then pay for a test. You then have to gamble $1,281 and 14 days on whether anyone else in the flight has the virus. Hopefully, your health insurance will refund you for this part of the process if you are positive. If you are negative, I would imagine your insurance won't refund you. After all, health insurance doesn't reimburse healthy people. If everyone tests negative, it's still self isolation at your home address/hotel and another test on day 13.

 

You must really, really need to enter Cambodia to go through that. One positive result and everyone is locked up.

[connda]

Stupid regulations will abound until the elite in the countries begin to suffer financially.  When that happens the lid comes off the Lockdown and things go back to normal.  Until that time, expect to see some really silly stuff.