In London skirmishes, suspected far-right protester is rescued

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

So what should the police have done?

Gone in with tear gas and water cannons to protect the statue of a slaver?

Seriously?

The cops are supposed to uphold the law, PERIOD. It's not up to them to make judgements on the political aspects.

If it takes tear gas and water cannons to repel vandals so be it.

 

If people want statues removed they should get the government to do so legally. However, it seems the mob has won.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, robblok said:

I would have thought that the how we are sometimes treated here would wake people up to how bad racism can be (and we are not getting that much of it). I guess empathy does not work that way for some people

If you are referring to Thailand, perhaps you invite racism against yourself. I never experienced it and I don't look Thai.

[robblok]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If you are referring to Thailand, perhaps you invite racism against yourself. I never experienced it and I don't look Thai.

Depends how you look at it, I find double pricing at private (not public) companies racism. Now not allowing white people at a temple is racism. The bus thing is racism filled by fear. I agree its not as bad as what black people go through but its here.

 

I still love Thailand otherwise I would not stay, but its not all great and without problem. But as I said i still love it and don't often encounter it thankfully. 

[Rookiescot]

40 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The cops are supposed to uphold the law, PERIOD. It's not up to them to make judgements on the political aspects.

If it takes tear gas and water cannons to repel vandals so be it.

 

If people want statues removed they should get the government to do so legally. However, it seems the mob has won.

Will of the people.

 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-spoken-most-people-glad-4217554

[thaibeachlovers]

24 minutes ago, robblok said:

Depends how you look at it, I find double pricing at private (not public) companies racism. Now not allowing white people at a temple is racism. The bus thing is racism filled by fear. I agree its not as bad as what black people go through but its here.

 

I still love Thailand otherwise I would not stay, but its not all great and without problem. But as I said i still love it and don't often encounter it thankfully. 

NZ has double pricing too, but it's not racist because tourists are of different races. It's anti foreigner. I think you will find that Thai double pricing is the same.

People do things when they are scared they wouldn't do normally. One should judge Thais during normal times.

[herfiehandbag]

10 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

So the police policy of only to respond to violence with violence is wrong?

The VAST majority protesting last week were peaceful. Compare and contrast with this weekends display of racist thuggery (copyright Johnson).

The photograph in the original post depicted a white man who had been beaten by a predominantly black mob. The police were present, but did not appear to have made any attempt to have prevented the beating or gone to the aid of the man who was attacked by the mob. They were however able to "escort his rescuer" in a rather good photo op.

 

That is the point that "vogie" and many others ( including myself) are making. The efforts of the police appear somewhat selective to say the least. It was effectively if rather coarsely summed up by the chants of "Where the **** were you last weekend?" heard in Parliament Square.

 

Now twist that, and use it to try and bait.

Edited June 15, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Will of the people.

 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-spoken-most-people-glad-4217554

If it was the will of the people to reintroduce slavery would you support it on that basis? How about genital mutilation, which is the will of the people that do it. How about marriage when the marital couple have never met- that's the will of a great many people in a certain country?

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

The photograph in the original post depicted a white man who had been beaten by a predominantly black mob. The police were present, but I'd not appear to have made any attempt to have prevented the beating or gone to the aid of the man who was attacked by the mob. They were however able to "escort his rescuer" in a rather good photo op.

 

That is the point that "vogie" and many others ( including myself) are making. The efforts of the police appear somewhat selective to say the least. It was effectively if rather coarsely summed up by the chants of "Where the **** were you last weekend?" heard in Parliament Square.

 

Now twist that, and use it to try and bait - after all I seem not to agree with you!

I do not know the details of what happened but my understanding is he was carried to the police for his own protection. It was then that the picture was taken.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If it was the will of the people to reintroduce slavery would you support it on that basis? How about genital mutilation, which is the will of the people that do it. How about marriage when the marital couple have never met- that's the will of a great many people in a certain country?

Pure hyperbole.

[vogie]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

No you can't make it clearer then that you support the right wing because you can't stand it that some slaver statue's got removed. Pittyful actually but it does enforce my view about a lot of people on this forum. Moaning about discrimination in Thailand putting Thais down and at the same time defending right wing thugs. Does not paint a pretty picture. 

 

I would have thought that the how we are sometimes treated here would wake people up to how bad racism can be (and we are not getting that much of it). I guess empathy does not work that way for some people

I do not support any right wing organisations, any right wing activities or anything else right wing, I have never stated on here anything of the kind, that can only conclude that you are being very liberal with the truth and an apology should be forthcoming, but we all know that it won't because the left like to make up lies to further their agenda. I have also never put any Thais down, I would cut down on those steroids they are making you paranoid and playing havoc with your imagination, should you find anything anywhere that states I support right wing groups I expect you to report me to moderation, but in the same breath if continue to bait me and accuse me of supporting right wing organisations I shall do the same to you.

My beef is with the howling mob that is trying to destroy our heritage and the way they seem to be in collusion with them, by not arresting the perpetrators, it is not up to the few that want to take the law into their own hands and pull down what offends them, they probably even never heard of the statues a few weeks ago. So I repeat, stop this baiting!

Edited June 15, 2020 by vogie

[robblok]

25 minutes ago, vogie said:

I do not support any right wing organisations, any right wing activities or anything else right wing, I have never stated on here anything of the kind, that can only conclude that you are being very liberal with the truth and an apology should be forthcoming, but we all know that it won't because the left like to make up lies to further their agenda. I have also never put any Thais down, I would cut down on those steroids they are making you paranoid and playing havoc with your imagination, should you find anything anywhere that states I support right wing groups I expect you to report me to moderation, but in the same breath if continue to bait me and accuse me of supporting right wing organisations I shall do the same to you.

My beef is with the howling mob that is trying to destroy our heritage and the way they seem to be in collusion with them, by not arresting the perpetrators, it is not up to the few that want to take the law into their own hands and pull down what offends them, they probably even never heard of the statues a few weeks ago. So I repeat, stop this baiting!

Maybe you should read better, and put the beer down. I only made a comment about you supporting the right wing as you do in this topic. You support their actions while they were the one attacking the police. 

 

The other part about Thai bashing was a general remark not aimed at you (i used you for the first part then went on in generalities). Havent seen you bash at all but in general the narrow minded people who support the right wing thoughts are often those that bash Thais too. So to make it clear I only said you support the actions of these right wingers not accuse you of Thaibashing.

 

[robblok]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

NZ has double pricing too, but it's not racist because tourists are of different races. It's anti foreigner. I think you will find that Thai double pricing is the same.

People do things when they are scared they wouldn't do normally. One should judge Thais during normal times.

That is why i wrote down (public) companies not state sanctioned things. State sanctioned like paying more in nature parks is ok with me. Not ok is when companies that are not funded with public funds (taxes do it) then its discrimination. Also I wrote down that the busses action was out of fear. Plus i said it was not that much but its here.

[kingdong]

12 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

OK so what you are saying is we need right wing racist thugs to police the country because the police are not doing the job you think they should be.

Think I have read about that before somewhere.

 

And what are you saying?that the police should just stand there and watch the rioting,assaults and criminal damage.?

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Will of the people.

 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-spoken-most-people-glad-4217554

No,mob rule and bold gendarmes with no bottle.

[Rimmer]

A couple of baiting/bickering posts have been removed

[AgMech Cowboy]

On 6/14/2020 at 9:42 AM, stevenl said:

In layman's terms, a far right protester. Hence the description in the article.

No those are not layman's terms. Those are the opinions of you and the Reuters writer.

[Rookiescot]

58 minutes ago, kingdong said:

And what are you saying?that the police should just stand there and watch the rioting,assaults and criminal damage.?

The police were in London in large numbers and part of that group was detailed with the task of protecting the statues and memorials.

Those police were attacked by right wing thugs.

So you want the police to protect statues but you defend the actions of right wing thugs who attack the police doing just that.

[Throatwobbler]

On 6/14/2020 at 10:03 AM, CorpusChristie said:

They were they to protect war memorials from Black lives matter attacks and vandalism 

No they weren't they were there to get drunk, <deleted> on a memorial to a dead policeman, do Nazi salutes, attack police  and look to cause problems. 

Edited June 15, 2020 by Throatwobbler

[FarangULong]

14 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

So what should the police have done?

Gone in with tear gas and water cannons to protect the statue of a slaver?

Seriously?

The law and the police's job to protect the public and property etc. and the statue being of a slaver are two seperate issues. Either you enforce the law, or you don't. Selectively enforcing it, is <deleted>.

[evadgib]

After a cursory skip through the thread I have several observations:

 

- Patrick Hutchins actions have gone viral and he is on all major news outlets and all over social media. Taking this at face value his actions are very commendable but I am far from convinced that the situation hasn't been manipulated in some way.

 

- I have seen nothing whatsoever about the person being carried; no name; no explanation as to how he was injured (or should I say who by); no apparent injury while appearing to be conscious; what happened to him afterwards and of course a liberal daubing of the 'Far Right' paint brush aimed at any that still fall for it.

 

Beyond the feel-good aspects of this story too many questions as yet remain unanswered.

 

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by evadgib

[CorpusChristie]

3 hours ago, Throatwobbler said:

No they weren't they were there to get drunk, <deleted> on a memorial to a dead policeman, do Nazi salutes, attack police  and look to cause problems. 

No, they went there to protect war memorials 

[CorpusChristie]

8 minutes ago, evadgib said:

After a cursory skip through the thread I have several observations:

 

- Patrick Hutchins actions have gone viral and he is on all major news outlets and all over social media. Taking this at face value his actions are very commendable but I am far from convinced that the situation hasn't been manipulated in some way.

 

- I have seen nothing whatsoever about the person being carried; no name; no explanation as to how he was injured (or should I say who by); no apparent injury while appearing to be conscious; what happened to him afterwards and of course a liberal daubing of the 'Far Right' paint brush aimed at any that still fall for it.

 

Beyond the feel-good aspects of this story too many questions as yet remain unanswered.

 

 

Patrick Hutchinson wasnt part of the BLM protests , he was at the scene as a security official , security there to protect people , so, he was just doing his job

[RobFord]

On 6/14/2020 at 9:46 AM, INFIDELandPROUD said:

 

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by RobFord
Deleted

[CorpusChristie]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

After a cursory skip through the thread I have several observations:

 

- Patrick Hutchins actions have gone viral and he is on all major news outlets and all over social media. Taking this at face value his actions are very commendable but I am far from convinced that the situation hasn't been manipulated in some way.

 

- I have seen nothing whatsoever about the person being carried; no name; no explanation as to how he was injured (or should I say who by); no apparent injury while appearing to be conscious; what happened to him afterwards and of course a liberal daubing of the 'Far Right' paint brush aimed at any that still fall for it.

 

Beyond the feel-good aspects of this story too many questions as yet remain unanswered.

 

 

Where did he intend taking him to ?

He couldnt have walked far with a large man on his back .

As he was conscious, why even pick him up ?

We certainly need an explanation .

If a person is laying injured on the floor, the last thing that you'd do is pick them up and put them over your shoulder

[nauseus]

On 6/14/2020 at 12:45 PM, johnnybangkok said:

It seems many of the posters hear absolutely agree with these racist thugs so I suspect you hold similar views so I won't engage. People who hold such extreme views are never going to change, so why bother.

The facts though, as usual, are the facts.

Once they heard about the counter protests, BLM called off it's demostration and advised people not to gather in London, knowing these men were there to start trouble https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/11/blm-organisers-call-off-london-event-to-prevent-clashes-with-far-right. This was followed by The London Antifascist Assembly (LAFA) calling off theirs.

The 'counter protestors' under the excuse of protecting statues, were from the EDL, Britain First, football hooligan groups and the far-right https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53037767. They were itching for a fight and started on the police https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/13/rightwing-protesters-clash-with-police-in-central-london before running around trying to find the small BLM groups who did decide to protest. They initiated all of the trouble, caused all the injuries to the police and harrassed/attacked peaceful protestors and innocent people who were just passing by or having a picnic https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/2-pm-market-minute/vi-AAEUmSz.

If you support this kind of 'demonstration' then you are as much the problem as they are.

 

 

If you believe your own rubbish then you are as much the problem as anyone.

 

[twocatsmac]

So a white man is beaten unconscious for being white in broad daylight by BLM militia with police and cameras everywhere. 

 

The world media in attendance don’t run the story deciding instead to make the BLM militia man a hero. 

 

That’s why the papers aren’t fit to wipe your a$$ with. 

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

The police were in London in large numbers and part of that group was detailed with the task of protecting the statues and memorials.

Those police were attacked by right wing thugs.

So you want the police to protect statues but you defend the actions of right wing thugs who attack the police doing just that.

Reference?

[evadgib]

Just now, twocatsmac said:

So a white man is beaten unconscious for being white in broad daylight by BLM militia with police and cameras everywhere. 

 

The world media in attendance don’t run the story deciding instead to make the BLM militia man a hero. 

 

That’s why the papers aren’t fit to wipe your a$$ with. 

I sat through an extremely informative forensic dissection of graphic footage showing exactly that last night. 

[RuamRudy]

12 minutes ago, twocatsmac said:

So a white man is beaten unconscious for being white in broad daylight by BLM militia with police and cameras everywhere. 

 

The world media in attendance don’t run the story deciding instead to make the BLM militia man a hero. 

 

That’s why the papers aren’t fit to wipe your a$$ with. 

Was the sole reason for his beating that he was white? No other reason whatsoever?

 

EDIT: not that there should be any reason, I must add, but it seems a bit of a stretch to assume that all white people were potential targets for being white.

Edited June 15, 2020 by RuamRudy

[simple1]

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

After a cursory skip through the thread I have several observations:

 

- Patrick Hutchins actions have gone viral and he is on all major news outlets and all over social media. Taking this at face value his actions are very commendable but I am far from convinced that the situation hasn't been manipulated in some way.

 

- I have seen nothing whatsoever about the person being carried; no name; no explanation as to how he was injured (or should I say who by); no apparent injury while appearing to be conscious; what happened to him afterwards and of course a liberal daubing of the 'Far Right' paint brush aimed at any that still fall for it.

 

Beyond the feel-good aspects of this story too many questions as yet remain unanswered.

 

 

Some background info...

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/14/uk/london-blm-protester-injured-man-photo-trnd/index.html