Months before election, Trump finds himself at odds with most Americans' views

[Masterton]

3 hours ago, candide said:

It seems you are confusing opinions with facts

 

Confusing opinions with facts is what people who watch the hysterical fake news media do. Unfortunately the left hold a majority stake in this department. And just to clarify for your benefit, the most part of my previous comment which you quoted was in response to the predictable nonsense stating that President Trump is a racist bla bla bla etc. Just boring Democrat talking points that are false.

 

I also stated clearly that I was not going to debate the economy for the simple reason that economists disagree on this topic depending on who is asking the questions and what questions are being asked. No link I post will change your mind because you are too invested in the anti Trump narrative. I have read and watched several articles and interviews debunking the claim that Obama is responsible for the Trump economy. The bottom line here is that you want to believe that, so no opposing viewpoint, facts, or evidence, will change your mind or even cause you to consider the possibility. Quite sad really, but par for the course.

 

 

Edited June 25, 2020 by Masterton

[candide]

44 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

Confusing opinions with facts is what people who watch the hysterical fake news media do. Unfortunately the left hold a majority stake in this department. And just to clarify for your benefit, the most part of my previous comment which you quoted was in response to the predictable nonsense stating that President Trump is a racist bla bla bla etc. Just boring Democrat talking points that are false.

 

I also stated clearly that I was not going to debate the economy for the simple reason that economists disagree on this topic depending on who is asking the questions and what questions are being asked. No link I post will change your mind because you are too invested in the anti Trump narrative. I have read and watched several articles and interviews debunking the claim that Obama is responsible for the Trump economy. The bottom line here is that you want to believe that, so no opposing viewpoint, facts, or evidence, will change your mind or even cause you to consider the possibility. Quite sad really, but par for the course.

 

 

No. Economists may disagree on policies (I.e. is it better to stimulate demand or to induce businesses to invest more?), sometimes on interpretations, but facts are facts.

GDP, etc... are official figures. There isn't a right wing  GDP figure which is different from the left wing figure. Trumps GDP growth figures were good (around the same as Obama), employment decreasing figures were good (around same level of yearly decrease as Obama). Nobody says the opposite. The difference is that it has been paid by more deficit and debt. These are also official figures, not left wing or right wing figures. Trade deficit is either growing or decreasing, there is no right wing or left wing way to look at it. It's either + or -.

Trump inherited a growing economy, and made it grow at around the same pace. I agree with you that there can be endless discussions about the influence of an inherited situation on a following presidential term. However, facts don't confirm the Trumpers' claim that the economy was worse during Obama's tenure. It was more or less the same. Facts don't show that trade has improved. It's more or less the same deficit, just increasing a bit.

 

As usual, you accuse others of being biased and not being able to consider opposing facts and evidence, but you never show any.

[johnpetersen]

It seems like he's possibly even finding himself at odds with a majority of Texans. At least according to the latest Fox News poll.

Fox News Poll: Texas tossup, Biden-Trump a one-point race

Texas is a tossup, as Democrat Joe Biden tops President Donald Trump by a percentage point, 45-44 percent, in a new Fox News survey of Texas registered voters.

Ten percent are up for grabs, and this small subgroup of voters is more likely to disapprove than approve of Trump’s job performance by 52-34 percent.

The good news for Trump: he bests Biden by 51-45 percent among those “extremely” motivated to vote in the election.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-texas-tossup-biden-trump-a-one-point-race

Edited June 26, 2020 by johnpetersen

[bendejo]

11 hours ago, Masterton said:

 

Confusing opinions with facts is what people who watch the hysterical fake news media do. Unfortunately the left hold a majority stake in this department. And just to clarify for your benefit, the most part of my previous comment which you quoted was in response to the predictable nonsense stating that President Trump is a racist bla bla bla etc. Just boring Democrat talking points that are false.

 

I also stated clearly that I was not going to debate the economy for the simple reason that economists disagree on this topic depending on who is asking the questions and what questions are being asked. No link I post will change your mind because you are too invested in the anti Trump narrative. I have read and watched several articles and interviews debunking the claim that Obama is responsible for the Trump economy. The bottom line here is that you want to believe that, so no opposing viewpoint, facts, or evidence, will change your mind or even cause you to consider the possibility. Quite sad really, but par for the course.

 

 

We thank our good fortune that you are here to tell us what is correct and true.

 

 

[johnpetersen]

5 minutes ago, bendejo said:

We thank our good fortune that you are here to tell us what is correct and true.

 

 

And without bothering us with stuff like data and other classes of facts.

[Phulublub]

14 hours ago, Masterton said:

predictable nonsense stating that President Trump is a racist

For the avoidance of doubt, are you saying that Trump is not a racist?

 

PH

[J Town]

3 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

For the avoidance of doubt, are you saying that Trump is not a racist?

 

PH

Trump has done more to protect the statues of racists than he has citizens against Covid-19.

[Masterton]

3 hours ago, Phulublub said:

For the avoidance of doubt, are you saying that Trump is not a racist?

 

PH

 

Of course he isn't. The fact that you even consider that he is shows how brainwashed you are by the pro Democrat fake news media. They always seem to wheel out the racist card like clockwork whenever his popularity starts rising amongst black voters. The Democrats know full well that if Trump gets 20% of the black vote they will lose the election. This is all about politics. And you all fall for it.... Sigh.

[J Town]

5 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

Of course he isn't. The fact that you even consider that he is shows how brainwashed you are by the pro Democrat fake news media. They always seem to wheel out the racist card like clockwork whenever his popularity starts rising amongst black voters. The Democrats know full well that if Trump gets 20% of the black vote they will lose the election. This is all about politics. And you all fall for it.... Sigh.

And how people can turn a blind eye to facts always staggers the imagination.

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

[Masterton]

11 minutes ago, J Town said:

And how people can turn a blind eye to facts always staggers the imagination.

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

 

Oh please. This is the problem. People in the fake news echo chamber post links to other fake news in order to back up their "views". And all the clapping seals clap. Do you seriously consider Vox to be a credible news source ? Wasn't Vox the website that published the fake Russian dossier? Do you even understand what racism is ? That article was complete BS, most things listed in there don't even have anything to do with racism. Ridiculous. Come on, you really need to do better than this. Wouldn't surprise me if Vox put out a follow up article saying Trump is racist because he enjoys black coffee with his KFC.

[J Town]

1 minute ago, Masterton said:

 

Oh please. This is the problem. People in the fake news echo chamber post links to other fake news in order to back up their "views". And all the clapping seals clap. Do you seriously consider Vox to be a credible news source ? Wasn't Vox the website that published the fake Russian dossier? Do you even understand what racism is ? That article was complete BS, most things listed in there don't even have anything to do with racism. Ridiculous. Come on, you really need to do better than this. Wouldn't surprise me if Vox put out a follow up article saying Trump is racist because he enjoys black coffee with his KFC.

I knew you'd respond this way. It was just the first link that came up on a search. READ the article then try and refute ONE BIT of it. (Hint - you can't)

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

Oh please. This is the problem. People in the fake news echo chamber post links to other fake news in order to back up their "views". And all the clapping seals clap. Do you seriously consider Vox to be a credible news source ? Wasn't Vox the website that published the fake Russian dossier? Do you even understand what racism is ? That article was complete BS, most things listed in there don't even have anything to do with racism. Ridiculous. Come on, you really need to do better than this. Wouldn't surprise me if Vox put out a follow up article saying Trump is racist because he enjoys black coffee with his KFC.

Yes he is racist. Diversion not helping any bit. Polls even by Fox indicate he is racist. Stop denying. 

https://1069thefox.com/news/030030-poll-most-americans-say-trump-is-racist/

 

https://video.foxnews.com/v/5743550243001#sp=show-clips

[Opl]

1 minute ago, Masterton said:

 

I did read it, hence the comment about it being total BS. As I already stated, most things Vox listed in that ridiculous article had nothing to do with racism. If you subscribe to the absurd notion that calling Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas" is "racist", or questioning Obama's birth place is "racist", then your definition of racism is clearly different to mine. The amount of lies and fake news in that VOX article was nauseating. It is no wonder people hate Trump if they believe the bile written about him.

 

Seeing as he is supposedly running against Biden, how about you defend all the racist things Joe has said and done in his political career? Take all the time you need.

and so then why do white supremacists support Trump ? 

[J Town]

15 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Yes he is racist. Diversion not helping any bit. Polls even by Fox indicate he is racist. Stop denying. 

https://1069thefox.com/news/030030-poll-most-americans-say-trump-is-racist/

 

https://video.foxnews.com/v/5743550243001#sp=show-clips

I just put that guy in The Phantom Zone. Waste of time.

[candide]

4 minutes ago, Opl said:

and so then why do white supremacists support Trump ? 

Because he's not prejudiced against racists! ????

[Phulublub]

1 hour ago, Masterton said:

 

Of course he isn't. The fact that you even consider that he is shows how brainwashed you are by the pro Democrat fake news media. They always seem to wheel out the racist card like clockwork whenever his popularity starts rising amongst black voters. The Democrats know full well that if Trump gets 20% of the black vote they will lose the election. This is all about politics. And you all fall for it.... Sigh.

He isn't?  Sure does a good job of immitating one then.

 

But I don't get any of my conclusion from the news, fake or otherwise....I merely have to watch and listen (hard though that can be sometimes) to his words and actions.

 

PH

Edited June 26, 2020 by Phulublub

[Jingthing]

28 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

Oh please. This is the problem. People in the fake news echo chamber post links to other fake news in order to back up their "views". And all the clapping seals clap. Do you seriously consider Vox to be a credible news source ? Wasn't Vox the website that published the fake Russian dossier? Do you even understand what racism is ? That article was complete BS, most things listed in there don't even have anything to do with racism. Ridiculous. Come on, you really need to do better than this. Wouldn't surprise me if Vox put out a follow up article saying Trump is racist because he enjoys black coffee with his KFC.

They're citing things 45 has definitely said and done. 

Nothing fake about that. 

Look dude. 

45 can't have it both ways. 

You can't run a race baiting campaign like George Wallace while at same time claiming to be the least racist person ever. 

The majority of Americans see through that trick. 

He wants the white nationalists and also moderate white suburban women that don't want to vote for a racist. 

He won't get both. 

See 2018. 

He's on the road to loser city.

So well deserved. 

[Masterton]

3 minutes ago, Opl said:

and so then why do white supremacists support Trump ? 

 

Wow, what a really intelligent question. (it wasn't)

 

Why don't you ask them? Or would you prefer they supported Biden? Why do the Antifa and BLM thugs support the Democrats? Why did the guy who shot up the congress people playing baseball support Sanders? 

 

Wow

 

 

 

 

[Opl]

6 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

Wow, what a really intelligent question. (it wasn't)

 

Why don't you ask them? Or would you prefer they supported Biden? Why do the Antifa and BLM thugs support the Democrats? Why did the guy who shot up the congress people playing baseball support Sanders? 

 

Wow

 

 

 

 

too late, I don't need to ask them, Candide gave a sensitive and convincing  response without mincing words, thanks for your input anyway,  

Edited June 26, 2020 by Opl

[J Town]

5 minutes ago, Opl said:

too late, I don't need to ask them, Candide gave a sensitive and convincing  response without mincing words, thanks for your input anyway,  

If you actively defend a racist, then what does that make you?

[Masterton]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

They're citing things 45 has definitely said and done. 

Nothing fake about that. 

Look dude. 

45 can't have it both ways. 

You can't run a race baiting campaign like George Wallace while at same time claiming to be the least racist person ever. 

The majority of Americans see through that trick. 

He wants the white nationalists and also moderate white suburban women that don't want to vote for a racist. 

He won't get both. 

See 2018. 

He's on the road to loser city.

So well deserved. 

 

Firstly, they are not citing things 45 has definitely said done in the correct context. The article is fake news. In other words, they have taken things loosely based on fact and spun them to conjure up an op-ed to support a narrative that Trump is a racist. I am NOT going to delve into this any deeper because frankly I don't have the time to waste, but I will cite one example, although there are many. The article repeats the debunked and false claim that Trump said that white supremacists in Charlotsville were very fine people. Anyway moving on.

 

Secondly, whilst I may (or may not) disagree with the rest of your post, we are entitled to our opinions in a free world. It is possible to disagree and discuss without being unpleasant about it. Unfortunately this is not a trait shared by some posters and it can get tiring at times.

 

[Phulublub]

17 minutes ago, Masterton said:

It is possible to disagree and discuss without being unpleasant about it

Perhaps you should try it some time then. 

 

Telling me I am some sort of fake news junky who has no mind of my own and merely regurgitate what I am fed is not, to my mind, a pleasant way to conduct a discussion.

 

PH

[Masterton]

29 minutes ago, Opl said:

too late, I don't need to ask them, Candide gave a sensitive and convincing  response without mincing words, thanks for your input anyway,  

 

Very well deflected. Bravo! Did you ever consider a career in politics?  ???? ????

[Jingthing]

How about an interesting related speculative question?

I think it's clear to all rational people that if the election was held today, 45 would lose and quite possibly lose by a landslide. There is strong polling evidence for that. Massive leads for Biden in swing states, etc.

But the election isn't being held today. 

But here's the fun question.

Supposing republicans start to feel that associating with 45 means their party will be massacred. Losing not only the white house but all of congress as well. 

So what if they decided to actually do something about it?

Talking about replacing 45 for the election.

So who would help them?

Pence, I don't think so. He's just a 45 yes man straight version of Anderson Cooper. 

Cruz? Kind of looks like Dr. Evil these days.

John Kasich? A nice fellow no doubt but too "rino" for most republicans.

Rubio? OK, maybe.

Nikki Haley. She went all in for 45 recently. Tainted.

Believe it or not, I think the best shot for republicans in the very unlikely event of replacing 45 for the election is ... Jeb Bush. 

Edited June 26, 2020 by Jingthing

[Stadtler]

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Believe it or not, I think the best shot for republicans in the very unlikely event of replacing 45 for the election is ... Jeb Bush. 

Stadtler believes that you believe. 

 

Stadtler would yawn, but he's too tired.

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, Stadtler said:

Stadtler believes that you believe. 

 

Stadtler would yawn, but he's too tired.

Stadtler is cute. 

[johnpetersen]

3 hours ago, Phulublub said:

Perhaps you should try it some time then. 

 

Telling me I am some sort of fake news junky who has no mind of my own and merely regurgitate what I am fed is not, to my mind, a pleasant way to conduct a discussion.

 

PH

Touché!

[johnpetersen]

Tucker Carlson Says 'Exhausted' Trump Faces Losing 2020 Election

At the start of his opening monologue, Carlson said: "Not many people are saying it out loud on the right, but the fact is President Trump could well lose this election. In fact, unless fundamental facts change soon, it could be tough for him to be re-elected.

https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-trump-election-1513567

[Masterton]

4 hours ago, Phulublub said:

Perhaps you should try it some time then. 
 

Telling me I am some sort of fake news junky who has no mind of my own and merely regurgitate what I am fed is not, to my mind, a pleasant way to conduct a discussion.

 

I suppose this would be a good time to remind you about the "pleasant way" you initially conducted yourself in the discussion. You basically implied that people who don't share your left leaning progressive world view are, and I quote, "insular, arrogant, me-first, racist, antagonistic, homophobic, xenophobic cry babies".  Wow. Did I leave anything out ?? 

 

You also said that "The World has been (mis) run by Anglo Saxon males for too long.  It is well beyond time for change." Oh really PH ? Did you forget to add heterosexual and Christian? What you said, in addition to being inane, is blatantly racist AND sexist. Interesting. ????

 

[Jingthing]

Things must be really bad for 45 when the best political ads against him are from his fellow party members. You might say that Republicans are revolting.