Indian, Chinese commanders parley on border, growing calls to boycott Chinese goods

[snoop1130]

Indian, Chinese commanders parley on border, growing calls to boycott Chinese goods

By Sanjeev Miglani and Devjyot Ghoshal

 

India's Border Security Force (BSF) soldiers stand guard at a checkpoint along a highway leading to Ladakh, at Gagangeer in Kashmir's Ganderbal district June 17, 2020. REUTERS/Danish Ismail

 

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Indian and Chinese military commanders parleyed on Monday to ease tensions at their contested border, as the public mood hardened in India for a military and economic riposte to China following the worst clash in over five decades.

 

An Indian government source said corps commanders from both sides met in Moldo, on the Chinese side of the Line of Actual Control, the de facto border dividing India's Ladakh region from the Chinese held Aksai Chin, high in the western Himalayas.

 

Lower ranking officers had attended the first parley last Thursday after the brutal clash on June 15, when soldiers fought with rocks, metal rods and wooden clubs.

 

While blaming each other's forces for the bloodshed, the two governments have sought to avoid any escalation that could risk further conflict between the two nuclear armed states.

 

Under long observed protocols, both militaries refrain from firing weapons, and the last time there was a deadly clash on the disputed border was in 1967.

 

The Indian foreign ministry has, however, described the fighting that left 20 Indian soldiers dead and at least 76 injured as a "pre-meditated and planned action" by China.

 

For its part, China has accused Indian troops of violating a military agreement, and provoking and attacking its troops in the Galwan valley in Ladakh. China has not disclosed how many casualties it suffered, though an Indian minister has said around 40 Chinese soldiers may have been killed.

 

Shocked and angered by the death of their soldiers, Indians have been calling for Prime Minister Narendra Modi's nationalist government to show India will not be bullied, bitterly remembering their country's humiliation in a war against China in 1962.

 

Members of an Indian traders body made a bonfire of Chinese goods at a bazaar in New Delhi, pushing for a nationwide boycott of products made in China.

 

The Confederation of All India Traders (CAIT), which represents some 70 million traders, has asked federal and state governments to support a boycott of Chinese goods and cancel government contracts awarded to Chinese companies.

 

"The entire nation is filled with extreme anger and intensity to give a strong befitting response to China not only militarily but also economically," CAIT National General Secretary Praveen Khandelwal wrote in a letter to chief ministers of some Indian states.

 

China is India's second-biggest trading partner, with bilateral trade worth $87 billion in the fiscal year ending March 2019, and a trade deficit of $53.57 billion in China’s favour, the widest India has with any country.

 

The traders body, which advocates self reliance and supports Modi's nationalist policies, has also asked the federal commerce ministry to amend rules and make it mandatory for e-commerce platforms to mark the country of origin for all products.

 

"Most of the e-commerce portals are selling Chinese goods for which the consumer remains unaware," CAIT said in a statement.

 

The editor-in-chief of China's Global Times newspaper warned that the "nationalists of India need to cool down." The Global Times is published by the People's Daily, the official newspaper of China's ruling Communist Party.

 

"China's GDP is 5 times that of India, military spending is 3 times," Global Times editor Hu Xijin said in a post on Twitter.

 

Since coming to power in 2014, Modi has sought to improve relations with China, hosting Chinese President Xi Jinping most recently for an informal summit in southern India last year.

 

The confrontation in the Himalayas means Modi now has to reassess relations with China, posing possibly the most difficult foreign policy questions he has faced so far.

 

"At this moment, we stand at an historic crossroads," former prime minister Manmohan Singh said in a statement, "Our government's decisions and actions will have serious bearings on how the future generations perceive us."

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-06-22

 

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[smedly]

3 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

growing calls to boycott Chinese goods

Great news

 

and lets not forget China's attack on the whole world with a deadly virus contagion that has cost us all dearly

Edited June 22, 2020 by smedly

[Bkk Brian]

Here's a warning shot from China's propaganda mouth piece:

 

Confrontation with China 'suicide' for Indian economy https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192450.shtml

 

In other news the winnie the pooh flying squad entered Taiwan's air defense identification zone, one bomber and a couple of fighter jets, the eighth such encounter in 2 weeks. 

[sammieuk1]

I have boycotted beef in blackbean sauce in support whos laughing now Xi????

[tonbridgebrit]

So a bunch of silly Indians made of bonfire out of Chinese goods in Delhi.  They should have put the goods into a container and sent it here to England. They would have been paid for the stuff, instead of setting it alight and wasting it.

[tonbridgebrit]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here's a warning shot from China's propaganda mouth piece:

 

Confrontation with China 'suicide' for Indian economy https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192450.shtml

Do you really reckon this is Chinese propaganda ?  Do you reckon that India will be better off when fighting a trade war with China ?

I'm going to say, forget India, let's look at Europe. I reckon that even Europe will be more harmed than China, if Europe was to carry out a trade war with China. What about the USA ? Will America win a trade war aginst China ?

By the way, there are media outlets in America and other countries who reckon that China will definitely lose in a trade war with them. Are all those newspapers and publications propaganda ?

[OZinPattaya]

12 minutes ago, tonbridgebrit said:

So a bunch of silly Indians made of bonfire out of Chinese goods in Delhi.  They should have put the goods into a container and sent it here to England. They would have been paid for the stuff, instead of setting it alight and wasting it.

They did a lot more than you've done, right. Squatting on your hindquarters being a key-board commando while stuffing your face with meat pies?

[OZinPattaya]

On 6/23/2020 at 3:10 AM, tonbridgebrit said:

Do you really reckon this is Chinese propaganda ?  Do you reckon that India will be better off when fighting a trade war with China ?

I'm going to say, forget India, let's look at Europe. I reckon that even Europe will be more harmed than China, if Europe was to carry out a trade war with China. What about the USA ? Will America win a trade war aginst China ?

By the way, there are media outlets in America and other countries who reckon that China will definitely lose in a trade war with them. Are all those newspapers and publications propaganda ?

First off, abandon all hope that Europe will do <deleted>-all where China is concerned. Europe will do what Europe always does, which is absolutely nothing. European trade war with China? Surely you jest. I'd bet on India a thousand times over in regards to China before I'd ever waist a single moment fruitlessly waiting for the congenitally neutral Europeans to do something.

[Bkk Brian]

4 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Do you really reckon this is Chinese propaganda ? 

Yep, if you can't see that then I can't help you

[Deli]

Everyone who opposes China has my full support and understanding.

[Traubert]

So many people are scared of China these days.

[grumpy 4680]

           Its no good waiting for the Politicians to act, Its up to the people of the world to stop buying Chinese goods, if they are not sold by the shops, then the shops will stop ordering, Hey Presto.

[car720]

Where were all these voices when they took Tibet?

Oh, no interests there.

"and the wind cried Mary."

[anterian]

The opposition to China grows, USA, UK, Australia, Japan, Vietnam, now India plus some African states are getting a bit fidgety. 

[BestB]

16 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Do you really reckon this is Chinese propaganda ?  Do you reckon that India will be better off when fighting a trade war with China ?

I'm going to say, forget India, let's look at Europe. I reckon that even Europe will be more harmed than China, if Europe was to carry out a trade war with China. What about the USA ? Will America win a trade war aginst China ?

By the way, there are media outlets in America and other countries who reckon that China will definitely lose in a trade war with them. Are all those newspapers and publications propaganda ?

If everybody unites, China will be on its knees 

[Selatan]

16 hours ago, BestB said:

If everybody unites, China will be on its knees 

Very sure it won't be China that would be on its knees.

 

U.S. officials worried about Chinese control of American drug supply

India is a huge exporter of medicines.

COVID-19 exposes India’s dependence on China for active pharma ingredients

[Eric Loh]

17 hours ago, BestB said:

If everybody unites, China will be on its knees 

Rather the reverse is happening with the RCEP promoted by China. 16 countries from ASEAN, Australia, NZ, SK, Japan, China and India (with some agreement modifications) will sign the trade pact this year. China gain after Trump pulled out of the TPP. No countries or allies following Trump’s isolation policy. 

[Bkk Brian]

36 minutes ago, Selatan said:

Focus on the content in that Youtube video, please. We are talking about Pooh's ban, not Youtube's ban in China.

Yes and I already sent you 3 separate links from the BBC, New York Times and Guardian that contain the claims but you've obviously not bothered to read them and the banned youtube vid made in China in no way counters those specific claims.

[LomSak27]

On 6/23/2020 at 10:13 AM, Traubert said:

So many people are scared of China these days.

Scared? More like disappointed & disgusted they believed the moonshine for so long. But that is over now. 

[tonbridgebrit]

On 6/22/2020 at 9:15 PM, OZinPattaya said:

They did a lot more than you've done, right. Squatting on your hindquarters being a key-board commando while stuffing your face with meat pies?

I wrote about a bunch of silly Indians making a bonfire using Chinese goods, and how they should have sent the Chinese goods to England, and got paid for it. You responded by putting up the above post.

What if I AM sat at home, eating meat pies and doing nothing else ?

In Britain and Australia, and it's the same in America, we're not seeing any groups of people burning Chinese goods and trying to organise a boycott of Chinese goods. Okay, go on a Black Lives Matter protest, youngsters turn up at a rave, or people go to the beach, people are doing these things.

But being in a group, a protest, and burning Chinese goods ? That would look really stupid, right ? That's why nobody in Britain, Australia, or America, is doing this. Who in their right mind wants to go on a march, an anti-China march, through the city centre ? Surely, nobody ??

[tonbridgebrit]

On 6/24/2020 at 7:58 AM, Eric Loh said:

Rather the reverse is happening with the RCEP promoted by China. 16 countries from ASEAN, Australia, NZ, SK, Japan, China and India (with some agreement modifications) will sign the trade pact this year. China gain after Trump pulled out of the TPP. No countries or allies following Trump’s isolation policy. 

Yes, correct. There's no such thing as governments across the world organising a collective boycott of Chinese goods. But the anti-China brigade, they want to feel that there IS an international boycott. They're hoping that an international boycott will happen.

And anyway, even if most of the world joins in on a boycott of Chinese goods. We know though, that there will be one country that will always buy Chinese goods. And that country is, is, is Thailand !!!!     ????

[daveAustin]

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While blaming each other's forces for the bloodshed, the two governments have sought to avoid any escalation that could risk further conflict between the two nuclear armed states.

When china is one of the countries playing the blame game, you can bet your bottom dollar they are at fault. They have already wrecked the world but continue their abhorrent antagonistic shyster game, ably abetted by sad little ccp-stooge-wannabes and apologists that prowl the net - you know who you are. Have at em India; lob a few good ones right into Beijing!

[Morch]

On 6/23/2020 at 3:01 AM, tonbridgebrit said:

So a bunch of silly Indians made of bonfire out of Chinese goods in Delhi.  They should have put the goods into a container and sent it here to England. They would have been paid for the stuff, instead of setting it alight and wasting it.

 

If the PRC government would have allowed/instigated burning of Indian goods in Beijing, you'd vehemently object to participants being labeled "a bunch of silly Chinese", while going on about the righteousness and practicality of such public displays. 

Edited June 27, 2020 by Morch

[Morch]

On 6/23/2020 at 3:10 AM, tonbridgebrit said:

Do you really reckon this is Chinese propaganda ?  Do you reckon that India will be better off when fighting a trade war with China ?

I'm going to say, forget India, let's look at Europe. I reckon that even Europe will be more harmed than China, if Europe was to carry out a trade war with China. What about the USA ? Will America win a trade war aginst China ?

By the way, there are media outlets in America and other countries who reckon that China will definitely lose in a trade war with them. Are all those newspapers and publications propaganda ?

 

Considering the venue, yes, it's propaganda. In case you wish to feign ignorance - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Times

 

The whole "going to say" bit is the usual deflection attempt. The topic ain't about Europe, or the USA. That you seek to muddy the waters by mixing them in on each instance the PRC got issues with neighbors does not change things.

 

Media outlets in the USA are not under government control. Just in case you're having trouble with the concept of propaganda.

 

 

[Rimmer]

Troll and off topic bickering posts removed also replies talking about Winnie the Phoo

[Bkk Brian]

GENEVA (26 June 2020) – UN independent experts have repeatedly communicated with the Government of the People’s Republic of China their alarm regarding the repression of fundamental freedoms in China. They have denounced the repression of protest and democracy advocacy in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (SAR), impunity for excessive use of force by police, the alleged use of chemical agents against protesters, the alleged sexual harassment and assault of women protesters in police stations and the alleged harassment of health care workers.

They have also raised their concerns regarding a range of issues of grave concern, from the collective repression of the population, especially religious and ethnic minorities, in Xinjiang and Tibet, to the detention of lawyers and prosecution and disappearances of human rights defenders across the country, allegations of forced labour in various sectors of the formal and the informal economy, as well as arbitrary interferences with the right to privacy, to cybersecurity laws that authorise censorship and the broadly worrying anti-terrorism and sedition laws applicable in Hong Kong. 

 

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=26006

Edited June 27, 2020 by metisdead
Edited as per fair use policy.

[Morch]

10 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

I wrote about a bunch of silly Indians making a bonfire using Chinese goods, and how they should have sent the Chinese goods to England, and got paid for it. You responded by putting up the above post.

What if I AM sat at home, eating meat pies and doing nothing else ?

In Britain and Australia, and it's the same in America, we're not seeing any groups of people burning Chinese goods and trying to organise a boycott of Chinese goods. Okay, go on a Black Lives Matter protest, youngsters turn up at a rave, or people go to the beach, people are doing these things.

But being in a group, a protest, and burning Chinese goods ? That would look really stupid, right ? That's why nobody in Britain, Australia, or America, is doing this. Who in their right mind wants to go on a march, an anti-China march, through the city centre ? Surely, nobody ??

 

More deflections and nonsense.

 

If and when China tries something similar with the USA, the UK, or Australia, the point about burning them Chinese goods and organizing boycotts would apply. Pretending to expect much of these because of a faraway border clash between China and a third party is not a serious proposition.

 

People in the West may or may not have strong negative feeling toward China. But it's relatively rare to see Westerners cheer-leading China and singing it's praises on each and every semi-related issue.

[Morch]

NVM.

Edited June 27, 2020 by Morch