UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[vinny41]

On 6/30/2020 at 8:57 AM, vinny41 said:

Latest UK Voting Intention (25 June)

Compared to last week, Boris Johnson increased his lead over Keir Starmer from 12% to 19% in a straight contest as to whom respondents would prefer as Prime Minister.

https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-uk-voting-intention-25-june/

 

13 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Stock reaction when people get things wrong, start claiming lies.

You should read your Post 407 again.

Stock answer from someone that claims something that isn't true

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

All people who buy a share of the quota whether UK persons/ companies or foreign persons/companies, have rights established in law over what they have bought. Otherwise international trade with anyone would be impossible. It  is interesting to hear such far left wing views from you, what you appear to be saying amounts to re-nationalisation without compensation.

Quotas issued by the EU will no longer apply to the UK because we will cease to be part of the EU. UK waters will be fished as the UK sees fit and this may involve some EU interest, as part of any trade deal that might happen, although I personally don't think that fishing should be a part of any such deal. I didn't say anything about compensation (or not) but that may need to happen. Any left wing views I may have had perished with the demise of the Tooting Popular Front.

[Rookiescot]

Its a question of who Johnson and the Brexiteers want to sell out?

Is it the fishermen or is it the City of London?

You cant keep both.

[david555]

32 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Its a question of who Johnson and the Brexiteers want to sell out?

Is it the fishermen or is it the City of London?

You cant keep both.

I burn a big  candle & ???? to let them choose to keep the fish ….. and sell out the city ….????! 

Edited July 5, 2020 by david555

[nauseus]

15 minutes ago, david555 said:

I burn a big  candle & ???? to let them choose to keep the fish ….. and sell out the city ….????! 

Both not for sale - keep dreaming.

[transam]

29 minutes ago, david555 said:

I burn a big  candle & ???? to let them choose to keep the fish ….. and sell out the city ….????! 

Are you not being a little silly now.....?  ????

[david555]

30 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Both not for sale - keep dreaming.

No need to buy city ....just handling the euro passporting ourself...????????

And stopping your acces to Europe financial handling as now ...Barnier wrote a nice letter to explain the inevitable... ????

[david555]

20 minutes ago, transam said:

Are you not being a little silly now.....?  ????

Oh it  is becoming fun ...now near the end game , you never satisfied ?..as i choose not to sell out your national pride ..the fish ...????

[transam]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

No need to buy city ....just handling the euro passporting ourself...????????

And stopping your acces to Europe financial handling as now ...Barnier wrote a nice letter to explain the inevitable... ????

That doesn't matter, no apron strings for the UK, but if you need a nanny, that's fine, but you have to pay for your nanny, and for sure you will be paying more in the not to distant future............... ????............................????

[transam]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

Oh it  is becoming fun ...now near the end game , you never satisfied ?..as i choose not to sell out your national pride ..the fish ...????

No, it's becoming silly, from an EU bloke that knows, but will not say, his bank balance will be hit now the Brits have gone..????

[david555]

25 minutes ago, transam said:

No, it's becoming silly, from an EU bloke that knows, but will not say, his bank balance will be hit now the Brits have gone..????

Always same tax thing you use ...i dont have problem with my tax country , and no frozen pension as some ...another good thing from my E.U country , and not using a illegal adress in my country , they know i live official in Thailand for them .

Dont worry about my tax situation ....i never am in need to use an agent for my staying in Thailand status mr Transam .....for not having funds

I drove long before you USA cars ...my pride was a Oldsmobile Cutlass supreme ... 5.7 V8  ...you know the one in lime green with that leather roof ...????

just told as a neside matter Mr Transsam    and i dont need it as a nick name on avatar ...to make impression

As you ????

 

 

 

[notrub]

'Australia terms' do not exist.

[Loiner]

20 hours ago, candide said:

Fishing rights have been sold to foreign companies according to UK law, not EU regulation. EU regulation does not prescribe how member States must manage fishing rights.

That may be the previous and current status, but after the transition period things will change. That's why we left you know - to change things. UK legislation could suddenly change which affects everybody. Remember the Icelandic legislation changes?

 
When UK assumes control of its own fishing grounds it will decide its own quotas. Previously EU held quotas will become wholly the UK's. Hey, maybe there's too much for us to deal with. The EU boats could then buy those quotas from the UK, (with landing and processing strings attached) then sell those same fish back to the EU again, always plus the new EU import tariff!! Lovely jubbly - everyone would be happy - Non?

[candide]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

That may be the previous and current status, but after the transition period things will change. That's why we left you know - to change things. UK legislation could suddenly change which affects everybody. Remember the Icelandic legislation changes?

 

It has nothing to do with the EU and Brexit. The EU only sets quota, not how fishing rights are allocated. Fishing rights have been managed according to UK law.  Each EU country has its own domestic law to manage fishing rights. Nothing ever prevented UK to change it before Brexit. Actually, it did change several times since the creation of the CFP. Unfortunately, it has not been made in the interest of small fishermen.

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/07/fishing-brexit-uk-fleetwood/

 

As about quotas, there will always be quotas to protect fish stock, whoever decides about it.

[transam]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

Always same tax thing you use ...i dont have problem with my tax country , and no frozen pension as some ...another good thing from my E.U country , and not using a illegal adress in my country , they know i live official in Thailand for them .

Dont worry about my tax situation ....i never am in need to use an agent for my staying in Thailand status mr Transam .....for not having funds

I drove long before you USA cars ...my pride was a Oldsmobile Cutlass supreme ... 5.7 V8  ...you know the one in lime green with that leather roof ...????

just told as a neside matter Mr Transsam    and i dont need it as a nick name on avatar ...to make impression

As you ????

 

 

 

I think I have touched a spot....????

 

Oh, and your avatar seems to be about money, EU money, yeh, you worry about your money alright.....????

[Loiner]

45 minutes ago, candide said:

It has nothing to do with the EU and Brexit. 

Shouldn't you be in another topic then?

[david555]

1 hour ago, transam said:

I think I have touched a spot....????

 

Oh, and your avatar seems to be about money, EU money, yeh, you worry about your money alright.....????

And I was thinking  I touched a nerve …. ????

 

But  For 1 once you are right

…. about my avatar …  after I entered Thailand 2009 I brought cash €'s planned for buying condo, and Kasikorn gave me by opening 47.50 (approx.) ….,but  month's later it started the serious  decline for several reasons ….. as that moment started the serious  decline for both our currency's  …. so I looked for a symbolic avatar , found this one ,and another the € in water with a life save belt ….. choose the parachute ….found nicer looking  LOL  , (now I would say I feared to be in U.K. waters ...OH horror ..! LOL )

 

That is the story about the Golden Euro on parachute avatar ...Not that my Euros come by parachute ….but yes by air .. in a airplane 

 

In case you would like to bring also legally money to Thailand , here the doc.

 

…..but hurry as 31 December midnight you are a third country and can not use those forms , unless you are Irish or any other E.U. nationality, just click on country of wish 

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/individuals/cash-controls/how-declare_en

 

Edited July 5, 2020 by david555

[tebee]

3 hours ago, notrub said:

'Australia terms' do not exist.

So neither will ours after 1st Jan.....

[david555]

1 minute ago, tebee said:

So neither will ours after 1st Jan.....

A marvelous line …. counts for both sides...????

[Rookiescot]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

Both not for sale - keep dreaming.

Really?

Without passporting rights to the EU the City is over. All that revenue gone.

Without access to the EU markets the fishing industry is gone. All that revenue gone.

Which one are you going to sell out Nauseus?

Tick Tock. 

[Monomial]

13 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

They don't need our financial services, they have their own.

 

Would you care to expand on exactly which financial services you are referring to when you make this statement? Because there are many financial services, such as investment banking, derivatives exchanges, OTC trading, etc. where the EU definitely does NOT have anything even remotely approaching the financial depth of the London markets. How about the reinsurance market?  I would expect Lloyds has their hands in much of the EU's insurance industry.

 

I think EU companies will definitely be hurt if they can no longer easily access some of the financial services that London offers. Yes, these can eventually be built in Berlin or even Paris, but it could take years or decades. Investors don't just establish new accounts for fun. They will need to be woo'ed and there has to be a realistic incentive in order to move their funds.

 

It is easy to say the EU does not need the financial services of the UK in theory. But I wonder how true that statement is in reality.

[david555]

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/30/city-london-must-face-brexit-hit-barnier-tells-finance-chiefs/

City of London must face Brexit hit, Barnier tells finance chiefs 
Mr Barnier said that UK demands in the ongoing trade negotiations were designed to protect the City and were doomed to fail 

By James Crisp, 
Brussels Correspondent 
30 June 2020 • 5:41pm 

British trade negotiators will fail in their efforts to insulate the City of London from the worst 
consequences of Brexit, Michel Barnier warned a meeting of finance chiefs on Tuesday. 
The EU’s chief negotiator said that British demands in the ongoing trade talks in Brussels were unacceptable and that UK plans to ditch EU financial regulation risked another crisis that could hurt the bloc. 

UK proposals would make it easy to continue to run EU businesses from London after the end of the transition period on December 31, he said, and prevent the EU from freezing UK financial services out of the Single Market at short notice. 

"I will be blunt. Its proposals are unacceptable,” he said as negotiations continued in the Belgian capital, “The UK is trying to keep as many Single Market benefits as it can.”
London remains Europe’s pre-eminent financial hub but that status is coveted by Paris, Amsterdam and Frankfurt, which hope to profit from Brexit. 

Edited July 5, 2020 by david555

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

I will be blunt. Its proposals are unacceptable,” he said as negotiations continued in the Belgian capital, “The UK is trying to keep as many Single Market benefits as it can.”

usually in France we don't like wasting time with all the BS & non sense, thus better be blunt and tell it the way it is.... UK wants to have same benefits as before but without having to pay for membership..... sounds good to me, would love that too 555

[johnpetersen]

16 minutes ago, Monomial said:

 

Would you care to expand on exactly which financial services you are referring to when you make this statement? Because there are many financial services, such as investment banking, derivatives exchanges, OTC trading, etc. where the EU definitely does NOT have anything even remotely approaching the financial depth of the London markets. How about the reinsurance market?  I would expect Lloyds has their hands in much of the EU's insurance industry.

 

I think EU companies will definitely be hurt if they can no longer easily access some of the financial services that London offers. Yes, these can eventually be built in Berlin or even Paris, but it could take years or decades. Investors don't just establish new accounts for fun. They will need to be woo'ed and there has to be a realistic incentive in order to move their funds.

 

It is easy to say the EU does not need the financial services of the UK in theory. But I wonder how true that statement is in reality.

Don't see why it would take decades. I somehow doubt that the people who do this will stay in the UK out of patriotism. If there's enough money in making the move - and there will be - why wouldn't they flock to the EU?

[candide]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Shouldn't you be in another topic then?

Why?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

And I was thinking  I touched a nerve …. ????

 

But  For 1 once you are right

…. about my avatar …  after I entered Thailand 2009 I brought cash €'s planned for buying condo, and Kasikorn gave me by opening 47.50 (approx.) ….,but  month's later it started the serious  decline for several reasons ….. as that moment started the serious  decline for both our currency's  …. so I looked for a symbolic avatar , found this one ,and another the € in water with a life save belt ….. choose the parachute ….found nicer looking  LOL  , (now I would say I feared to be in U.K. waters ...OH horror ..! LOL )

 

That is the story about the Golden Euro on parachute avatar ...Not that my Euros come by parachute ….but yes by air .. in a airplane 

 

In case you would like to bring also legally money to Thailand , here the doc.

 

…..but hurry as 31 December midnight you are a third country and can not use those forms , unless you are Irish or any other E.U. nationality, just click on country of wish 

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/individuals/cash-controls/how-declare_en

 

Do you have a wheelbarrow near Schipol? 555

[transam]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

And I was thinking  I touched a nerve …. ????

 

But  For 1 once you are right

…. about my avatar …  after I entered Thailand 2009 I brought cash €'s planned for buying condo, and Kasikorn gave me by opening 47.50 (approx.) ….,but  month's later it started the serious  decline for several reasons ….. as that moment started the serious  decline for both our currency's  …. so I looked for a symbolic avatar , found this one ,and another the € in water with a life save belt ….. choose the parachute ….found nicer looking  LOL  , (now I would say I feared to be in U.K. waters ...OH horror ..! LOL )

 

That is the story about the Golden Euro on parachute avatar ...Not that my Euros come by parachute ….but yes by air .. in a airplane 

 

In case you would like to bring also legally money to Thailand , here the doc.

 

…..but hurry as 31 December midnight you are a third country and can not use those forms , unless you are Irish or any other E.U. nationality, just click on country of wish 

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/individuals/cash-controls/how-declare_en

 

How interesting.............????

[david555]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Do you have a wheelbarrow near Schipol? 555

Some English expressions just pass my understanding ….

I know what is a wheelbarrow in real meaning AND in a kind of politc help meaning , neither fit me as with proper documents you can handle any cash amount out of Europe and in to Thailand ….

 

If that is the underlying tone of your remark ?

[david555]

Just now, transam said:

How interesting.............????

just giving the right answer on your remark question ….

[nauseus]

27 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Really?

Without passporting rights to the EU the City is over. All that revenue gone.

Without access to the EU markets the fishing industry is gone. All that revenue gone.

Which one are you going to sell out Nauseus?

Tick Tock. 

Another blinkered belief that the City of London relies solely on the EU for its existence. 

 

EU countries will buy the fish....if there's any left to spare.