Trump denies being told about Russian bounties to kill U.S. troops in Afghanistan

[mlmcleod]

I believe that Trump did not hear anything about the bounties.  He has never listened to his intelligence agencies!  He prefers to create conspiracy theories about the Democrats and plans for his reelection.

 

Vote in November!

[ChouDoufu]

has anything definitive been released yet?  are we still on bounties to taliban "linked" forces may have been offered according to anonymous sources claiming to have spoken with officals believed to be aware of the matter?

 

seems like some clickybaity breathless story of russian malign nefariousness always appears when tensions between the us and russia start to cool. 

 

so wasn't trump recently talking about getting russia back in the g8?  how very convenient.

[jcsmith]

If anyone here honestly believes that Trump wasn't told about this, they are being deliberately dense. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell this intel wasn't shared with him. And armed with that knowledge he fought to get Putin back into the G7, to the extent that other countries refused to come. Now on it's own that is a scary thought. But when you consider the meetings with Putin with nobody else present other than translators, destroying his translator's notes, the odd server, siding with Putin over his own intelligence community, lying about Trump Tower Moscow, lying about the Tower Meeting, hiring Russia friendly aides (Tillerson, Manafort, Flynn, Page). trying to lift sanctions...

There are too many things here. The man is compromised. 

Edited June 29, 2020 by jcsmith

[spidermike007]

Even many of his supporters barely beleive him any more.  He has less credibility than a  tramp on a freight train. What he says at this point means less than zero.

 

Of course he knew. But, he is beholden to Vlad and he adores dictators. So, there you have it. Honor? Dignity? Loyalty to his nation? Not in his nature. 

[BestB]

7 hours ago, robblok said:

Come on your not stupid you actually make some smart remarks.

 

But surely you must see the difference too. The white house needed proof of nukes and made it they lied. In this case its against the white house its best interests to admit this. So why would they fabricate it. Unless your thinking the white house is against Trump. 

Sorry.  Very confused with what you trying to say. 
 

are you saying that because White House confirmed getting such report it makes it valid or you saying because White House did not deny it thus making it valid? 

this is quote from OP

 

The White House and Director of National Intelligence on Saturday denied the report. Russia's foreign ministry also dismissed it.

 

it then continues to say 

 

House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi, part of the so-called Gang of Eight lawmakers who receive frequent intelligence briefings, said she was not aware of the assessment and called for Congress to be briefed.

[BestB]

41 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

has anything definitive been released yet?  are we still on bounties to taliban "linked" forces may have been offered according to anonymous sources claiming to have spoken with officals believed to be aware of the matter?

 

seems like some clickybaity breathless story of russian malign nefariousness always appears when tensions between the us and russia start to cool. 

 

so wasn't trump recently talking about getting russia back in the g8?  how very convenient.

Exactly right but for Trump haters , logic, evidence and common sense is not needed.

 

not only White House and director of intelligence denies hearing such allegations , Polosi also was not aware and yet New York Times knows according to anonymous source and best part as per OP it was last year when this supposedly was taking place .

 

Now the best part of this circus is , even though source is anonymous and no one but New York Times was aware, some snowflakes on the left already calling for more sanctions on Russia 

 

[ChouDoufu]

1 minute ago, BestB said:

Exactly right but for Trump haters , logic, evidence and common sense is not needed.

 

not only White House and director of intelligence denies hearing such allegations , Polosi also was not aware and yet New York Times knows according to anonymous source and best part as per OP it was last year when this supposedly was taking place .

 

Now the best part of this circus is , even though source is anonymous and no one but New York Times was aware, some snowflakes on the left already calling for more sanctions on Russia 

 

not just the trump haters.  this is our normal tribal behavior nowadays.  we saw the same unsourced BS when obama was in office.  the obama haters clutched their pearls, the obama supporters defended/deflected.

 

nothing to see here.....yet.  just one newsmagazine printing unsourced fables, and the rest copy-n-pasting to fit their narratives.  it's possible there could be some truth to the story, however very unlikely, so i'll withhold belief until i see some credible evidence.  i don't see trump ignoring this if true.  the potential for using this to force nato countries to spend more to fight the red menace would be limitless.

 

until then, it's just four months until the election, so expect more carp to be thrown against the walls to see if anything sticks.

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, BestB said:

Exactly right but for Trump haters , logic, evidence and common sense is not needed.

 

not only White House and director of intelligence denies hearing such allegations , Polosi also was not aware and yet New York Times knows according to anonymous source and best part as per OP it was last year when this supposedly was taking place .

 

Now the best part of this circus is , even though source is anonymous and no one but New York Times was aware, some snowflakes on the left already calling for more sanctions on Russia 

 

Don’t you think that Trump should instruct the intelligence agencies to verify the allegation rather than just ignore that this never happened? Every threats that possibly harmed the people whether internally or externally should be investigated. Avoiding the issue seem a negligence of responsibility or worse; intentional complicit. 

[BestB]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Don’t you think that Trump should instruct the intelligence agencies to verify the allegation rather than just ignore that this never happened? Every threats that possibly harmed the people whether internally or externally should be investigated. Avoiding the issue seem a negligence of responsibility or worse; intentional complicit. 

Allegations made by New York post relying on anonymous source ?while no one else heard or was aware about it?

 

 

[soalbundy]

10 hours ago, BestB said:

All you trump haters will bite on anything . Why on earth would Russia offer money to taliban to kill US soldiers when taliban does it and has been doing it for years . And does not need any incentives. Makes no sense at all. 
 

if report said Russia sold or provided weapons , then it’s believable but paying bounty just does not make any sense 

Well I believe Trump because he has a good record of telling the truth ????

[ChouDoufu]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Don’t you think that Trump should instruct the intelligence agencies to verify the allegation rather than just ignore that this never happened? Every threats that possibly harmed the people whether internally or externally should be investigated. Avoiding the issue seem a negligence of responsibility or worse; intentional complicit. 

ummm, he did.

 

“Intel just reported to me that they did not find this info credible, and therefore did not report it to me or @VP. Possibly another fabricated Russia Hoax, maybe by the Fake News @NYTimesbnooks, wanting to make Republicans look bad.”

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-intel-doesnt-back-up-report-on-russian-bounties-against-us-troops

 

 

if this were true, too many people would know about it.  russians, afghanis, nsa, cia, low-level collection techs, translators, analysis desk experts, comms people, not to mention dozens of foreign intel agencies also active in the zone and in washington.

 

this is the moskau pee-tape all over again.  get it into the news, force the trump regime to issue a denial, and have the talking heads ask "what did the president know and when did he know it" with spooky music playing in the background.

 

 

[newnative]

    I suppose it might not be true but after the thousands of fake news stories Trump has shamelessly put out there it's nice he's getting bit by one himself.  And, who knows, it might even be true--something you can't say with any of Trump's.  

[jcsmith]

2 hours ago, BestB said:

Allegations made by New York post relying on anonymous source ?while no one else heard or was aware about it?

 

 

It's been confirmed independently by numerous sources including the Washington Post, NBC, and Sky News. It's been corroborated by British Intelligence.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/russia-paid-taliban-fighters-to-attack-british-troops-in-afghanistan-12016425 

Edited June 29, 2020 by jcsmith

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

ummm, he did.

 

“Intel just reported to me that they did not find this info credible, and therefore did not report it to me or @VP. Possibly another fabricated Russia Hoax, maybe by the Fake News @NYTimesbnooks, wanting to make Republicans look bad.”

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-intel-doesnt-back-up-report-on-russian-bounties-against-us-troops

 

 

if this were true, too many people would know about it.  russians, afghanis, nsa, cia, low-level collection techs, translators, analysis desk experts, comms people, not to mention dozens of foreign intel agencies also active in the zone and in washington.

 

this is the moskau pee-tape all over again.  get it into the news, force the trump regime to issue a denial, and have the talking heads ask "what did the president know and when did he know it" with spooky music playing in the background.

 

 

If you read this report, GOP Lindsey and Liz Cheney seem to cast doubts whether Trump was honest when he said the intelligence reported to him. They asked for details and further investigation. 

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/28/884407572/trump-denies-briefing-on-russian-bounties-reportedly-placed-on-u-s-troops

[ChouDoufu]

11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If you read this report, GOP Lindsey and Liz Cheney seem to cast doubts whether Trump was honest when he said the intelligence reported to him. They asked for details and further investigation. 

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/28/884407572/trump-denies-briefing-on-russian-bounties-reportedly-placed-on-u-s-troops

 

haha, cool.  nevertrumper liz casts doubts.  she demands the regime reveal who knew the intel and when!

 

i don't want to be seen defending the indefensible trump, but as yet there is no actual evidence of a communist plot to defile our precious bodily fluids.  just another unsourced allegation.

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

At least three NATO allies received the briefing as well, because their troops were targets too. Guess they listened to the briefings. 

[Crazy Alex]

It was a bogus story to begin with. FAKE NEWS.

[Dustdevil]

He's a lying, incompetent traitor.

[Tropposurfer]

I didn't eat all the Dunkin Doughnuts and didn't fart in the meeting either !!!! I'm a perfect person na na na na na ! 

[rabas]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

At least three NATO allies received the briefing as well, because their troops were targets too. Guess they listened to the briefings. 

Source?  LOL. BusinessInsider, these three top NATO officials (not allies) told BusinessInsider but no one else.

 

-- "None of the three officials have permission to be named in the press, but their identities are known to Insider." 

 

And who told the three NATO officials? Jeff Bezos? NYT? Maybe even Putin. If you can remember back to late last year before COVID19, there were many warnings from real experts about the heavy disinformation that Russia was preparing to spread before the election. Without credible sources,  I would assume it was the Russians.  

Edited June 29, 2020 by rabas

[bendejo]

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps more important is what will be the response of Trump’s supporters if these reports are substantiated?

 

Oh, that's an easy one:  but but but but ....

And of course he'll handle with the usual aplomb: a hoax, a conspiracy, it never happened, those people they killed were [insert derogatory sentiment here], corrupt Dems, Hillary, Obama the Kenyan, poor me, fake news, etc.

 

 

[Crazy Alex]

2 minutes ago, bendejo said:

 

Oh, that's an easy one:  but but but but ....

And of course he'll handle with the usual aplomb: a hoax, a conspiracy, it never happened, those people they killed were [insert derogatory sentiment here], corrupt Dems, Hillary, Obama the Kenyan, poor me, fake news, etc.

Face it... it's unsourced BS. Again. And you wonder why people say things like "the media is the enemy of the people" and "FAKE NEWS"?

[bendejo]

9 hours ago, Dap said:

Gotta ask ya' this - when someone straps on a vest packed with explosives and wanders into a market-place to wipe out whoever - is the raft of virgins offered for this action not an incentive, or is the hate factor alone sufficient?

If you truly want an answer, do a little reading on the techniques used by various cults and political movements to re-wire people's minds.

An obvious one these days is the way POTUS will repeat certain words continuously in a single sentence, drumming it into the heads of those who tend to believe him, thump thump thump...

The use of radio in the Rwandan genocide is noteworthy in relation to your question.

 

 

[Crazy Alex]

4 minutes ago, bendejo said:

If you truly want an answer, do a little reading on the techniques used by various cults and political movements to re-wire people's minds.

An obvious one these days is the way POTUS will repeat certain words continuously in a single sentence, drumming it into the heads of those who tend to believe him, thump thump thump...

The use of radio in the Rwandan genocide is noteworthy in relation to your question.

If we weren't in the midst of watching violent leftists savages invading America as we speak, maybe your post wouldn't be so laughable.

[candide]

2 hours ago, rabas said:

Source?  LOL. BusinessInsider, these three top NATO officials (not allies) told BusinessInsider but no one else.

 

-- "None of the three officials have permission to be named in the press, but their identities are known to Insider." 

 

And who told the three NATO officials? Jeff Bezos? NYT? Maybe even Putin. If you can remember back to late last year before COVID19, there were many warnings from real experts about the heavy disinformation that Russia was preparing to spread before the election. Without credible sources,  I would assume it was the Russians.  

So the Russians spread fake information claiming that they paid Talibans to kill US and UK soldiers. Hmmm.......

[geriatrickid]

3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

It was a bogus story to begin with. FAKE NEWS.

How is it a bogus story? Tell us how it was fake. It has been confirmed that the British were briefed last week by the US military.

[ChouDoufu]

30 minutes ago, Tug said:

Nope it’s looking more and more that trump had the information when the lightbulb finally goes on in the trump supporters mind old Donald will be lucky to escape the fate of a certain Italian dictator if you get my drift

 

no, it's looking more and more like........nothing.  instead of claims that unnamed 'merkan officials said stuff, they've simply added claims that unnamed foreign officials said stuff.  twice as much BS doesn't magically become truffles.

[ChouDoufu]

4 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

How is it a bogus story? Tell us how it was fake. It has been confirmed that the British were briefed last week by the US military.

citation needed.

 

do we at least have one british official publicly claiming on the record they had been briefed.  or is the this same anonymous reports of unnamed officials with knowledge of....not authorized to speak...blahblah?

[pegman]

Dems and legitimate media smell blood in the water. This may indeed get very serious for Trump in the next couple weeks. His racist core will stick with him but the evangelicals and hardcre Catholics may turn on him since he's been able to deliver nothing on abortion restrictions. 

[Crazy Alex]

4 minutes ago, bendejo said:

If you truly want an answer, do a little reading on the techniques used by various cults and political movements to re-wire people's minds.

An obvious one these days is the way POTUS will repeat certain words continuously in a single sentence, drumming it into the heads of those who tend to believe him, thump thump thump...

The use of radio in the Rwandan genocide is noteworthy in relation to your question.

If we weren't in the midst of watching violent leftists savages invading America as we speak, maybe your post wouldn't be so laughable.