Thailand is red-lighted in UK for quarantine purposes alongside Brazil, China and US, inexplicable move

[Christie Paul]

Total death rates are more or less as per usual worldwide. There is no surge of deaths indicative of a pandemic. Interesting given that pneumonia, a major cause of death has somehow been cured. Swings and roundabouts, I guess.

 

Some eminent scientists have been described testing as pretty much bogus, as they don't actually test for a virus, but genetic material that theoretically is linked to relevant antibodies, not specific to Covid 19, but the whole Corona family, which includes the common cold. The more you test, the more you will find. And as the spectrum analysis is adjustable, one can quiet easily adjust the number of positives as one wishes. 

 

Meanwhile Bill Gates hasn't given up, predicting a second more virulent onslaught is yet to come. I guess he would know as he's heavily invested in the virus/vaccination/MMT/ Global Governance business.

 

 

 

    

 

 

[RichardColeman]

3 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Thailand has excess deaths of just 2% for period 1 Mar - 31 May. 

And you think that is reassuring ? Your argument goes against you.

With approximately 8,000 people dying in Thailand every day, that puts excess deaths at 160 more per day. If we assume that all countries excess deaths are down to covid, Thailand's claim of less than 60 deaths, is in reality near 14,500 deaths ! NOT 58 ! That would be the reason for banning Thais - 14,500 unreported potential covid deaths. 

[NightSky]

5 hours ago, Trillian said:

If they had tested more, would that have changed the number of fatalities!

Most likely yes it would. 

 

Let me explain..

 

if more tests were completed and many cases identified this would have likely changed how the population react so to best avoid being a fatality.

 

[Trillian]

9 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

And you think that is reassuring ? Your argument goes against you.

With approximately 8,000 people dying in Thailand every day, that puts excess deaths at 160 more per day. If we assume that all countries excess deaths are down to covid, Thailand's claim of less than 60 deaths, is in reality near 14,500 deaths ! NOT 58 ! That would be the reason for banning Thais - 14,500 unreported potential covid deaths. 

Excess death calculations based on the first four months of the years, the winter months, the months when the burning season was the worst on record, amidst a population that comprises a massive number of old people.....are meaningless, especially when the base line comprises only four years. Crickey, the burning season alone this year will have caused at least that many extra deaths without even considering the virus.

Edited July 6, 2020 by Trillian

[Trillian]

2 minutes ago, NightSky said:

Most likely yes it would. 

 

Let me explain..

 

if more tests were completed and many cases identified this would have likely changed how the population react so to best avoid being a fatality.

 

Fanciful and wishful thinking at best, especially since the reinfection rates are still unknown.

[smedly]

5 hours ago, Trillian said:

Once again, does doing more tests change the number of deaths!

how do you know the number of deaths caused by CV-19 ?

 

since "you" believe the numbers perhaps you would like to explain to us all how deaths are recorded in Thailand and who certifies the cause of death

 

go ahead and explain it for us all, I already know the answer - you evidently don't

 

also worth noting that the total death rates in Thailand remain constant these last 5 months even though deaths on the roads were a fraction of the norm - that leaves about 10k a month in a very grey area

[Matzzon]

37 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

There is little point continuing this discussion. You open with the entirely superficial point that the minister in charge of the department which makes such decisions doesn't look like a very nice person - a point which you attempt (and totally fail) to reinforce with a couple of childish jibes at what is a very ordinary English name. When I suggest that there may be other factors in play you fall back on good old fashioned nationalist prejudice, leavened with a touch of abuse (overloaded patriotic genes). At no point have I suggested that the UK has in any way acted from any sort of racially or nationally superior stance. You rather remind of the French castle garrison from Monty Python's knights of the Holy Grail - "Your father was a hamster and your mother smelt of elderberries!" You may not be familiar with it, but look it up, it is readily available on YouTube.

Oh, don´t worry I love Monty Python and are very familiar with them. The fact is that all you wrote above is rubbish, because if you cut all my limbs I am still going to bite you to death with another reply. Was that Python enough for you?

[holy cow cm]

Is this the EU's Tit for a Thailand 14 day quarantine Tat and heartless decision to not let expat retiree in? Or do they know something most true to fact as we all can only speculate that they cooked the books? Or is it a move to alienate Thailand because they sleep too much with china and are essentially backing the Chinese Hong Kong take over?

[Trillian]

1 minute ago, smedly said:

how do you know the number of deaths caused by CV-19 ?

 

since "you" believe the numbers perhaps you would like to explain to us all how deaths are recorded in Thailand and who certifies the cause of death

 

go ahead and explain it for us all, I already know the answer - you evidently don't

 

also worth noting that the total death rates in Thailand remain constant these last 5 months even though deaths on the roads were a fraction of the norm - that leaves about 10k a month in a very grey area

"how do you know the number of deaths caused by CV-19"?

 

Because those are the published numbers which are in line with neighbouring countries and I happen to believe them, it's your prerogative not to, if that's your thing.

 

The total deaths/excess deaths argument is a red herring, there are far too many variables involved to be able to just cite one part of the argument and arrive at a reliable answer.

[Traubert]

Nothing to do with the EU.

[Matzzon]

4 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Is this the EU's Tit for a Thailand 14 day quarantine Tat and heartless decision to not let expat retiree in? Or do they know something most true to fact as we all can only speculate that they cooked the books? Or is it a move to alienate Thailand because they sleep too much with china and are essentially backing the Chinese Hong Kong take over?

Sorry, but the UK was leaving EU. You know, Brexit and all that. ???? 

[PETERTHEEATER]

7 hours ago, SkyFax said:

My guess it is a matter of reciprocity: UK citizens cannot enter Thailand without a 14-day quarantine if they can enter at all.

Diplomatic tit-for-tat.

[JCP108]

1 minute ago, Trillian said:

"how do you know the number of deaths caused by CV-19"?

 

Because those are the published numbers which are in line with neighbouring countries and I happen to believe them, it's your prerogative not to, if that's your thing.

 

The total deaths/excess deaths argument is a red herring, there are far too many variables involved to be able to just cite one part of the argument and arrive at a reliable answer.

Not exactly a red herring as that type of argument diversion is done by throwing out something unrelated and not meaningful. One can know whether there were excess deaths by looking at the DOPH data. Of course that total death data without cause wouldn't answer the question of whether excess deaths were Covid 19-related. But, at that point, you would consider plausible explanations for any trends in excess deaths. Between the middle of 2019 and now do we know of any other plausible causes for excess deaths in Thailand? Have there been any other reported pervasive and fatal public health factors to explain a significant bump in numbers of deaths in the country?

[JCP108]

7 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Is this the EU's Tit for a Thailand 14 day quarantine Tat and heartless decision to not let expat retiree in? Or do they know something most true to fact as we all can only speculate that they cooked the books? Or is it a move to alienate Thailand because they sleep too much with china and are essentially backing the Chinese Hong Kong take over?

Um, I vote for book cooking.

[Trillian]

Excess deaths calculation:

 

average per months of past ten years

+ extra deaths caused by excessively bad burning season

- people not killed in RTA's

+ extra deaths caused by suicides resulting from lockdown

+/- deaths caused by flu season or not

etc etc etc

[mickymouse1]

All of them are nothing but clowns. Whether Thai Gov or our UK Gov both are useless.

Brunei Gov declined me a travel permission to go back to England for 8 weeks annual leave. Brunei has no cases for more than 8 weeks.

[hottrader77]

5 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Thailand test numbers were actually considerably well within the higher test nations earlier (when they had the peak) - they have not been testing as much.  It looks wider now because other countries which are considered hotspots have had to continue testing at a higher level longer.  I was skeptical for a very long time that there was a hidden problem, but there are really only two directions - controlled or increasing rapidly... I see no indication of the hospitals being hit by wave after wave of COVID patients... so I am no longer skeptical... Thailand has done a good job of tracking and tracing and controlling it.

I dont think its got anything to do with thailand red light uk system , i think its to do with uk not liking uk nationals staying here due to thailand not signing certain docs i wont say which ones , you can sometimes also see the exchange rate is bad for sterling and thai baht now 38 baht to pound instead of 29 years ago it being 70 baht to the uk pound and the uk seem not to want to do anything about it  , hoping that it makes expats leave thailand. the best thing thailand could do is ( put the uk pound at 75 baht to uk pound due to prices going up in last 20 years ) then uk visitors will flood to thailand with or with out any quarentine .

[7fish]

7 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

They obviously don't trust the Thai government figures provided, test numbers were very low and shady

No its not that, latest research has made it quite clear that the cornholio, as well as giving you mild flu symptons actually turns you into a complete idiot. It's obvious all members of the British government has this virus as do many people around the world, the first symptoms are total loss of critical thinking, a fear of outdoors and other people, a general regression back to a childhood mentality, and a total inability to believe any information that contradicts main stream media.

[raccos21]

Why do they want to complain about it? Try to flashback what they actually did to the foreigners in the past term of traveling policy. I would say this COVID-19 is absolutely nonsense and soon many countries will come up with very crazy policies over the people, especially those are traveling. After all, we live in the same planet. 

[Purdey]

Without proper testing, it is no wonder Thailand doesn't create credibility among some countries. While most writers appear sceptical on Thai Visa, many have just accepted what they were told about the number of cases. Maybe taking the military's numbers with a pinch of salt will save your life. 

[Peter Denis]

3 hours ago, Kerryd said:

If there was a covid crisis in Thailand we'd know about it. Period.

Why ? Look at all the "progressive Western" countries where the virus is rampaging. Look at how their rates of infections and deaths continue to climb.

Now think - do you actually believe that if "backwards, 3rd world Thailand" had a virus crisis that it wouldn't make the news ? Bull****.

If there were a crisis here it would probably be spreading even faster than in those "progressive 1st World" countries and it would be front page headline news because there is NO way the gov't would be able to keep it a secret.

Holely **** - some of you people have NO idea how things actually work. You ASSUME that the evil dictatorship can absolutely control every aspect of the media because you want to believe the worst about them, without any proof of course. Can't have something like proof get in the way of a lame conspiracy theory.

If there was a covid crisis here right now, the opposition parties and independent press would be blaring the news about it 24/7. Hospitals would be screaming about being flooded with patients. Morgues and temples would be crying about being unable to cope with the backlog of bodies. People would be screaming at the gov't, demanding they do something about the crisis.
Every person in the country, everywhere would be wearing masks and scared to set foot outside their homes.

Yet none of that is happening. Why ? Because there is no "hidden covid crisis". Guaranteed if there was one, hidden or not, the bars would not be reopening and alcohol sales would be (still) banned as well.

The government can NOT control all the media. They couldn't do it when the military was in charge after the last coup ! Yet someone, some people seem to think that now they can just snap their fingers and throw a blanket over the media and nothing gets out.

...

Spot on!

Open your eyes, look around you and let what you see sink in.

Conclusion > there simply is no "hidden covid crisis" in Thailand.

Thailand is covid-free.

Or let me add 'as good as', because of course there will be some simpletons arguing that some cases have not been counted (big deal on a population of 70 million), or that there is an Army of asymptomatic virus-spreaders walking around.

It boggles the mind that some don't want to accept this Good News, but insist that everybody in Thailand is still in eminent danger. 

 

 

[Lancashireman]

7 hours ago, Starmocihc said:

It probably has more to do with the Chinese relationship than anything else. ????

Yes, I agree. Also, the impressive ‘figures’ produced will be scrutinised along with a bit of diplomatic gamesmanship. That aside...it is a surprise to the ruling class here.

[Ranshoko]

5 hours ago, Trillian said:

Once again, does doing more tests change the number of deaths!

Maybe deaths due to Covid were not recorded. Rightly or wrongly the official figures for Thailand are not trusted by many countries

[actonion]

Maybe they think Thailand is not telling the truth......

[JusticeGB]

7 hours ago, SkyFax said:

My guess it is a matter of reciprocity: UK citizens cannot enter Thailand without a 14-day quarantine if they can enter at all.

I agree and also the fact that people from the UK are required to have 2 covid19 tests and us$ 100,000 health insurance. 

[7fish]

34 minutes ago, Christie Paul said:

Meanwhile Bill Gates hasn't given up, predicting a second more virulent onslaught is yet to come. I guess he would know as he's heavily invested in the virus/vaccination/MMT/ Global Governance business.

Yes I saw the video of him and Wilemma or whatever her name is. He said they were preparing for pandemic 2, and people would pay much more attention this time. Then they both broke out in huge grins, what kind of psycho grins while delivering news of a pandemic which one could assume will kill lots of people?

[hottrader77]

12 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Without proper testing, it is no wonder Thailand doesn't create credibility among some countries. While most writers appear sceptical on Thai Visa, many have just accepted what they were told about the number of cases. Maybe taking the military's numbers with a pinch of salt will save your life. 

And you think uk numbers are accurate ??  useless boris did not help nursing homes and let covid go wild in there , uk figures include people who have had a heart attack , cancer etc but when they died they tested positive for covid but died of something else covered up by governments around the world 

[Logosone]

24 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

Not exactly a red herring as that type of argument diversion is done by throwing out something unrelated and not meaningful. One can know whether there were excess deaths by looking at the DOPH data. Of course that total death data without cause wouldn't answer the question of whether excess deaths were Covid 19-related. But, at that point, you would consider plausible explanations for any trends in excess deaths. Between the middle of 2019 and now do we know of any other plausible causes for excess deaths in Thailand? Have there been any other reported pervasive and fatal public health factors to explain a significant bump in numbers of deaths in the country?

Of course the thousands of excess deaths in Thailand are not a "red herring" because one only has to look at other, more transparent countries that have made an effort to test. In those countries, like France, you can see that the excess deaths correspond almost exactly with the number of Covid19 deaths. So very clearly excess deaths do correlate with Covid19. Where that is not the case, say in Indonesia, we know that that country has not tested a lot. Whereas in countries like Belgium, which has overcounted the Covid19 deaths we see that the Covid19 deaths slightly outnumber excess deaths.

 

The conclusion is obvious that excess deaths are largely caused by Covid19 deaths.

 

Anyone who believes Thailand has 58 deaths of Covid19 needs their head examined.

[DavisH]

6 hours ago, lockyv7 said:

almost the bottom of the list when it comes to testing per million population 

 

Wny test more when our positivity rate is 0? Whom do you suggest be tested? Daily PUI are published, so we have  rough estimate of testing numbers. Testing rates are low because few people are presenting to hospitals with symptoms. 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/situation.php?fbclid=IwAR0z6KVnHMHL8qImlTGsVIBcoS3C0wi4eKnrOBmj5tSuhvbHZFYv10x9A1o

[Peterw42]

4 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Spot on!

Open your eyes, look around you and let what you see sink in.

Conclusion > there simply is no "hidden covid crisis" in Thailand.

Thailand is covid-free.

Or let me add 'as good as', because of course there will be some simpletons arguing that some cases have not been counted (big deal on a population of 70 million), or that there is an Army of asymptomatic virus-spreaders walking around.

It boggles the mind that some don't want to accept this Good News, but insist that everybody in Thailand is still in eminent danger. 

 

 

Consider what is currently happening in the US, the virus is being spread by, as you say, an army of asymptomatic virus-spreaders.

The death rate isnt going up and until recently hospital admission rate was not going up. Healthy young people have been spreading it.

The virus has still been spreading, its only through widespread testing that they know about, Otherwise they would think the same a you, no cases at hospitial, it must be over.