'A free man': Trump commutes longtime adviser Roger Stone's prison sentence

[Jingthing]

More like a mafia operation than a white house. 

 

 

 

[Terrapin]

The only crime I can see is the Obama administration wiretapping telephone lines

[Redline]

He will remain guilty until his dying day

[joecoolfrog]

6 hours ago, Terrapin said:

The only crime I can see is the Obama administration wiretapping telephone lines

Best you take off your blinkers then.

[joecoolfrog]

Strange that those so fond of screaming ' lock her up ' , have suddenly been transformed into compassionate legal geniuses.

Sickening hypocrisy and the reason the US is becoming an international laughing stock.

Hire a clown , cheer when he constantly drops his trousers , complain when it is suggested that a clown belongs in a circus !

[bendejo]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Odd then that Trump commuted Stone’s sentence rather than pardon his crimes.

 

Stone remains a convicted felon, his only gain here is he’s not yet going to prison. 

Let's save the discussion of this aspect until January.

 

 

[bendejo]

14 hours ago, rvaviator said:

Maybe if the water gets to hot for him - He can apply for political asylum in Russia ... On the grounds of political prosecution ... ???? 

In the near future (but not near enough) there could very well be a ghetto in Russia of the detritus of the American infamy of this time, all living well and paying tribute to Big Vlad.  Jared and Ivanka maybe will opt for Israel.

Brazil is known for not having an extradition treaty with the US, but after living there for a bit I've seen that it is actually handled on a case-by-case basis.

 

 

[Opl]

Some guys have all the luck..

"I was under pressure to turn on Trump and didn't"

 

[TooBigToFit]

Roger Stones makes me think of the Penguin.

Edited July 12, 2020 by TooBigToFit

[metisdead]

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[earlinclaifornia]

11 hours ago, riclag said:

This got me thinkin about how Stone's testimony,could play a significant role in Durham's  criminal investigation of the mueller prosecutors ! And now mueller comes out of hiding to defend the people that are under criminal investigation just when Durham is about to... lol . There below, is the best part ,his quote "the women and men acted with the highest integrity". Mr. Flynn's attorney  is Lhao on that remark.

 

"We made every decision in Stone's case, as in all our cases, based solely on the facts and the law and in accordance with the rule of law. The women and men who conducted these investigations and prosecutions acted with the highest integrity. Claims to the contrary are false," Mueller wrote.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/robert-mueller-defends-roger-stone-prosecution/index.html

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xkxj/bill-barr-picked-a-mueller-like-prosecutor-to-investigate-the-mueller-probe

 

“punt it until after the election,” Fox News reporting on a possible delay until November, it looks more and more like justice for Trump—and the country—will be denied. oops

https://amgreatness.com/2020/07/09/where-the-hell-is-john-durham/

[J Town]

During Bill Barr's confirmation hearing, Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy asked Barr if a president can "offer a pardon in exchange for the witness's promise not to incriminate the president."

"No, that would be a crime," Barr replied.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/william-barr-confirmation-hearing-trump-pardon-2019-1

 

And if you try to argue Stone was commuted and not pardoned, then shame on you.

[stevenl]

49 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

“punt it until after the election,” Fox News reporting on a possible delay until November, it looks more and more like justice for Trump—and the country—will be denied. oops

https://amgreatness.com/2020/07/09/where-the-hell-is-john-durham/

I think it will come in October. After Comey in 2016 it will be Barr/Durham this time.

[cmarshall]

20 hours ago, cmarshall said:

Another point to note is that since Stone's sentence has been commuted he no longer has the right to invoke the Fifth Amendment for questioning with regards to any of the matters covered by his conviction.  That means he could be subpoenaed in the future and if he were to lie again under oath could be indicted for perjury.

I need to correct this part of my earlier post.  While a pardon deprives the recipient of the right to invoke the Fifth Amendment, a commutation does not.  That is probably the reason that Stone specifically requested the commutation.

[herfiehandbag]

On 7/12/2020 at 3:11 AM, timendres said:

Oh, I think they imagined it quite well.

Hence the document they drafted to create the separation of powers.

The judicial system convicts a man on 7 counts of criminal activity.

 

The executive branch pardons him.

 

The lines of separation seem to be getting a bit blurred.

[J Town]

3 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

The judicial system convicts a man on 7 counts of criminal activity.

 

The executive branch pardons him.

 

The lines of separation seem to be getting a bit blurred.

According to Bill Barr, 45 committed a crime.

https://www.businessinsider.com/william-barr-confirmation-hearing-trump-pardon-2019-1

[metisdead]

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[JCauto]

On 7/12/2020 at 3:46 AM, Peabody said:

Interesting his sentence was commuted. He was not pardoned. He is still guilty.

Pardoning would have meant that he could be made to testify in court without fifth amendment claims (right to not self-incriminate).

Well pointed out. They're cool with walking around as a convicted felon rather than being free and clear but with a chance that they'd be forced to spill the beans (and no doubt lie under oath AGAIN). 

[JCauto]

1 hour ago, Terrapin said:

A rule for one and a rule for another.

 

Let's not forget the amount of times these Democrat members flew to the more prolific pedo's island, and get a free pass by the media.

 

#savethechildren

I think you'd find that we liberals are 100% behind exposing every single one of the pedos regardless of their political affiliation and locking them up forever. Even if that means Bill Clinton goes down. No problem whatsoever.

Now do you have the same commitment? Even if Donald is exposed? 

[riclag]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Thats nice, and i just had a sandwich. Both have nothing to do with the topic.

 

Trump cronyism at its best. Fill that swamp.

your funny ! Your acting as if this POTUS isn't entitled to use his office

 

42 minutes ago, Saint Nick said:

What are you even on about?

The office of the POTUS using its pardon and  commutation powers! Is this not allowed for Mr. Trump. Some posters  from distant lands aren't aware that for over 200 years the office  has allowed this right!

 

In defense of the office it only seems logical to point at past office  holders actions in comparison to this office holder. imop  

[J Town]

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

The office of the POTUS using its pardon and  commutation powers! Is this not allowed for Mr. Trump. Some posters  from distant lands aren't aware that for over 200 years the office  has allowed this right!

Most posters from distant lands are quite familiar with a corrupt banana republic looks like. William Barr says it would be a crime for Trump to pardon someone in exchange for their silence. Stone said he kept silent to protect 45. These are their words.

 

 

Edited July 13, 2020 by J Town

[riclag]

3 minutes ago, J Town said:

Most posters from distant lands are quite familiar with a corrupt banana republic looks like. William Barr says it would be a crime for Trump to pardon someone in exchange for their silence. Stone said he kept silent to protect 45. These are their words.

 

 

I have no idea where your getting this info from

[metisdead]

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[J Town]

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

I have no idea where your getting this info from

Barr's confirmation hearing:

https://www.businessinsider.com/william-barr-confirmation-hearing-trump-pardon-2019-1

Stone tweet forthcoming

[Andy from Kent]

23 minutes ago, J Town said:

30 minutes ago, riclag said:

I have no idea where your getting this info from

Barr's confirmation hearing:

https://www.businessinsider.com/william-barr-confirmation-hearing-trump-pardon-2019-1

Stone tweet forthcoming

 

There you go Mr. riclag.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

your funny ! Your acting as if this POTUS isn't entitled to use his office

 

The office of the POTUS using its pardon and  commutation powers! Is this not allowed for Mr. Trump. Some posters  from distant lands aren't aware that for over 200 years the office  has allowed this right!

 

In defense of the office it only seems logical to point at past office  holders actions in comparison to this office holder. imop  

Here's Senator Romney's take on it:

“Unprecedented, historic corruption: an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president,”

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/commuting-stones-sentence-trump-goes-153134413.html

 

If you can't see the distinction between what trump has done and the pardons given by previous presidents then............

[riclag]

6 minutes ago, Andy from Kent said:

 

There you go Mr. riclag.

Seems you got me lol !

I won't open a  2019 article that tells me to disable my ad blocker!

 

Cut to the chase  !

Barr has said it is the...

"ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR: Well, I think it's the president's prerogative.-- it's a unique power that the president has. And it's certainly something that is committed to his judgment. But as I say-- I felt it was-- appropriate prosecution and I thought the sentence was fair".

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/attorney-general-bill-barrs-interview-abc-news-transcript/story?id=71696291

 

 

Barr claim ,which I disagree with of "appropriate prosecution" at that time is being determined by investigations currently !

 

So I have a prerogative of 3 days ago  and a 2019 report  that I can't read that a poster said that Barr said it is a crime for a president in pardoning according to the leahey questions !

 

I went in the transcripts of Mr. Barrs confirmation hearing with leahey and klobuchar ! Only "pardon's" were mentioned . 

Did Mr. Trump pardon Mr. Stone!

https://www.congress.gov/116/chrg/CHRG-116shrg36846/CHRG-116shrg36846.htm

 

 

 

[riclag]

28 minutes ago, riclag said:

Seems you got me lol !

I won't open a  2019 article that tells me to disable my ad blocker!

 

Cut to the chase  !

Barr has said it is the...

"ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR: Well, I think it's the president's prerogative.-- it's a unique power that the president has. And it's certainly something that is committed to his judgment. But as I say-- I felt it was-- appropriate prosecution and I thought the sentence was fair".

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/attorney-general-bill-barrs-interview-abc-news-transcript/story?id=71696291

 

 

Barr claim ,which I disagree with of "appropriate prosecution" at that time is being determined by investigations currently !

 

So I have a prerogative of 3 days ago  and a 2019 report  that I can't read that a poster said that Barr said it is a crime for a president in pardoning according to the leahey questions !

 

I went in the transcripts of Mr. Barrs confirmation hearing with leahey and klobuchar ! Only "pardon's" were mentioned . 

Did Mr. Trump pardon Mr. Stone!

https://www.congress.gov/116/chrg/CHRG-116shrg36846/CHRG-116shrg36846.htm

 

 

 

For all you people from distance lands ! Barr (head of law enforcement in the USA) talks about the office which is over 200 years old,  he doesn't talk about this POTUS in general>

WILLIAM BARR: Well, I think it's the president's prerogative.-- it's a unique power that the president has. And it's certainly something that is committed to his judgment.

[sqwakvfr]

Roger Stone is a loser, liar and a major wannabe.  But he is 67 years old, convicted of nonviolent offenses and this is the era of the Pandemic (especially in prisons).  He did not get pardoned.  His 3 year sentence was commuted.  He will always be a convicted felon and loses some of his constitutional rights.  Justice was not damaged because one old man did not go to prison.

 

On the other hand a certain former President who won the Nobel Peace Price commuted the sentences of over 1700 convicted felons.  That comes out to over 200 per year of a two term president.  

 

Over and done.  

 

[jcsmith]

5 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

Justice was not damaged because one old man did not go to prison.

 

On the other hand a certain former President who won the Nobel Peace Price commuted the sentences of over 1700 convicted felons.  That comes out to over 200 per year of a two term president.  

 

Over and done.  

 

Obama didn't commute the sentence of someone who lied under oath to protect him. The judge knew what they were doing here. Asking for delays until after the election so Trump couldn't get political heat on it before the election. When Stone finally had to actually report to serve his time, Trump commuted him. Stone was never going to do time, they just wanted to run out the clock.

 

This coming on the heels of the Flynn case when the government inexplicably tries to set him free after he pleaded guilty and cooperated. Stop making false equivalences. 

Stone can now claim he was just making things up, he didn't really work with or have information on Russian hackers that by the way interfered in the U.S. election. He can lie repeatedly under oath, he can take shots at judges, disobey gag orders, and guess what? Nothing happens to him. 

All president's commute sentences. There are plenty of cases where it is warranted. Imo it shouldn't be used politically, though it often is. That's bad enough. The fact that Trump has been using it to shield those who have protected him though and to skirt the punishment of guys who have been tied up in his own scandals, while simultaneously pushing for the prosecution of political rivals or those who had the audacity to follow the law when a whistle was blown on him is an egregious abuse of power. It's out in the open. It's obvious. There's no excuse for it.