Trump says 'more white people' than Blacks are killed by U.S. police

[Yankeesvsredsox]

5 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

This is about police immune from prosecution when they kill black, white or brown.

The US police are brutal, They are schoolyard bullies, given minimal training and then given a badge and gun. They can then go out and shoot anyone they like. They need to change the laws to stop all this immunity. If a police life is genuinely in danger then ok they can shoot, but shooting a suspect in the back who is running away is monstrous....let them escape and get them later. 

 

I don't know why this line has appeared under my typing and I don't know how to get rid of it.

"ok they can shoot, but shooting a suspect in the back who is running away is monstrous....let them escape and get them later". 

 

It seems I heard this argument before ,somewhere else!

This sounds like the Atlanta shooting at the Wendy parking lot!

Let them escape you say! And what makes you think when they go get them the second time the perp is gonna cooperate and  come greet the police with salutations!

[Sujo]

3 hours ago, brianp0803 said:

Agreed - and they are in jail and will be tried for murder. 

The police did something illegal and they will likely spend their life in jail for it.  

So - no special treatment for the police

 

The police are taking the proper action for the use of excessive force on a criminal resisting arrest/

Only because they where caught. Thats the issue

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, Logosone said:

He is of course right.

 

Good bit about freedom of speech as well.

 

 

 

While going to court and corrupting the justice system to prevent his critics using their First Amendment rights.

[brianp0803]

34 minutes ago, Yankeesvsredsox said:

Here is a longer clip which contains the president's comments

The part of the interview shown was interesting, but she kept cutting off the rest of his explanation.  I want to see the entire interview without her choosing which parts to show.

 

I agree with freedom of speech, and also preservation of history.  I am against racism and special treatment based on color of skin.

 

Tearing down historic statues should be punished under the law.  If someone did 9 great things and 1 bad thing then he should statues be torn down and be erased from history.  

 

Disney movie Song of the South is a delightful movie about a freed black slave telling stories as black and white childen listen together.  The black and white children then go out a play together and are friends.  The black man gives is caring and gives wise advice to the children and is respected.  But, being a former slave, his English is not perfect - therefore it is a racist movie about a kind wise caring black man telling stores to black and white kids that are friends together - but he is uneducated and therefore a racist movie

Now Disney Land must spend millions of dollars to redesign a ride uses the theme song from this 1940 movie that very few people have living today have ever seen that is now considered racist.  Back in 1940 Disney made a movie of black and white children being friends and playing together - Wow.

 

People are very busy searching for anything that could remotely be considered as black people not being well educate and ambitious people.  

 

I think the movie Black Panther is a very bad movie about a group of black people with high technology and culture and standard of living  - keeping it to themselves while the rest of the country is poor and poor medical care -  very selfish - does this portray black people in a good way?

[Yankeesvsredsox]

33 minutes ago, brianp0803 said:

The part of the interview shown was interesting, but she kept cutting off the rest of his explanation.  I want to see the entire interview without her choosing which parts to show.

 

I agree with freedom of speech, and also preservation of history.  I am against racism and special treatment based on color of skin.

 

Tearing down historic statues should be punished under the law.  If someone did 9 great things and 1 bad thing then he should statues be torn down and be erased from history.  

 

Disney movie Song of the South is a delightful movie about a freed black slave telling stories as black and white childen listen together.  The black and white children then go out a play together and are friends.  The black man gives is caring and gives wise advice to the children and is respected.  But, being a former slave, his English is not perfect - therefore it is a racist movie about a kind wise caring black man telling stores to black and white kids that are friends together - but he is uneducated and therefore a racist movie

Now Disney Land must spend millions of dollars to redesign a ride uses the theme song from this 1940 movie that very few people have living today have ever seen that is now considered racist.  Back in 1940 Disney made a movie of black and white children being friends and playing together - Wow.

 

People are very busy searching for anything that could remotely be considered as black people not being well educate and ambitious people.  

 

I think the movie Black Panther is a very bad movie about a group of black people with high technology and culture and standard of living  - keeping it to themselves while the rest of the country is poor and poor medical care -  very selfish - does this portray black people in a good way?

 You quoted the wrong person mate "Here is a longer clip which contains the president's comments"

This was from ,I think their name is MTLS or something!

 

I noticed one comment of yours which I disagree with "People are searching" I think it would of sounded better if some people are searching! 

For me I think stupid isn't owned by  one race or people. One defiantly can't and shouldn't put a pigment  to its origin.

 

Getting back to police and common sense . All people should comply with  law enforcement commands and not resist arrest,its the law

 

Edited July 15, 2020 by Yankeesvsredsox

[Logosone]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

While going to court and corrupting the justice system to prevent his critics using their First Amendment rights.

Still, as a general rule...it's a good one.

 

And elections are elections, a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, brianp0803 said:

I think the movie Black Panther is a very bad movie about a group of black people with high technology and culture and standard of living  - keeping it to themselves while the rest of the country is poor and poor medical care -  very selfish - does this portray black people in a good way?

And then you have the multi millionaire rap artists rapping about police brutality, promoting criminal activity, and hero worshipping dead black criminals. 

 

They should put more of their time and money into educating kids in the ghettos, steering them away from a life of crime. Maybe if they did this they could help bring an end to the vicious cycle. Wishful thinking I know....

[i84teen]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The reasons why liberals (and anyone who is functionally numerate) has a problem with Logosone’s ‘statistics ‘ is because they are fabricated nonsense.

 

I’m not accusing Logosone of being the person who fabricated the numbers that he presents as statistics but he is disseminating fabricated nonsense.

 

 

 

FYI-here are the hard facts:

• It’s an uncomfortable truth but blacks commit crimes at nearly three times the rate that whites do.
• ·Blacks commit 36% of the violent crime in the US even though they are only 13% of the population.
• ·Blacks in England commit crimes at nearly three times the rate of their population rate.
• ·The parity in black crime rates in the US and black crime rates in the UK prove that there is no systemic or institutional racial bias in the US, and that the judicial system is not unfairly targeting blacks.
• ·There is no systemic racism in US Judicial System.
• ·There is no racial bias that unfairly targets innocent blacks in the US Criminal system.
• The cycle of black crime begins with the breakdown of family values that has 72% of black pregnancies creating low-income single parent households.
• Black children growing up in single-parent low-income situations are likely to repeat this cycle unless they raise children in a married two-parent household with more stability.
• White privilege isn’t creating a system that unfairly arrests and prosecutes blacks, the black parents making bad life choices are creating situations that increase the likelihood of bad outcomes happening are the ones responsible.
• White privilege isn’t real and isn’t responsible for blacks committing more crimes, black adults making poor life choices are the ones responsible."

 

Sources:

https://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/report/marriage-americas-greatest-weapon-against-child-poverty

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045216

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/may/18/ethnic-population-england-wales

https://archive.is/RpK4G

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/480250/bulletin.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170416195900/https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/480250/bulletin.pdf

 

Edited July 15, 2020 by i84teen

[thaibeachlovers]

Edited July 15, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

This is about police immune from prosecution when they kill black, white or brown.

The US police are brutal, They are schoolyard bullies, given minimal training and then given a badge and gun. They can then go out and shoot anyone they like. They need to change the laws to stop all this immunity. If a police life is genuinely in danger then ok they can shoot, but shooting a suspect in the back who is running away is monstrous....let them escape and get them later. 

 

I don't know why this line has appeared under my typing and I don't know how to get rid of it.

Solution is easy then. Pay more taxes so all cops can be psychologically profiled and attend a degree course of 3 years duration.

Don't want to pay more taxes- don't complain.

[simple1]

17 hours ago, Logosone said:

"On the most extreme use of force – officer-involved shootings – we are unable to detect any racial differences in either the raw data or when accounting for controls."

 

https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/area/workshop/leo/leo16_fryer.pdf

Personally I'm unsure what relevance a 2016 draft report (e.g. did the final report contain the same content) has to do with today's circumstances. However, I do note you omit to quote an important sentence from the summary...

 

We argue that the patterns in the data are consistent with a model in which police officers are utility maximizers, a fraction of which have a preference for discrimination, who incur relatively high expected costs of officer-involved shootings.

Edited July 15, 2020 by simple1

[pineapple01]

I must be odd. Apart from fighting as a Kid, ive got old without contact with Police except for speeding.I am aware that if i chuck my weight around ,cause mayhem theres every chance ill cop a Bullet. Therefore i dont give a rats ass how many Law Enforcement Officer damage the trash because descent folks dont loot, block Hi Ways, or go near trouble spots. Shure there is the Dirty one, just like there is the odd dirty Teacher.

[Chomper Higgot]

33 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Solution is easy then. Pay more taxes so all cops can be psychologically profiled and attend a degree course of 3 years duration.

Don't want to pay more taxes- don't complain.

Or, set standards of behavior and enforce them, weed out the minority of viscous thugs and in doing so improve the police force with the help and professionalism of the very many hard working, public serving professional officers.

[pineapple01]

Oh, ive been attracted by Lefties all my life.???? they wash off.

[thaibeachlovers]

25 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or, set standards of behavior and enforce them, weed out the minority of viscous thugs and in doing so improve the police force with the help and professionalism of the very many hard working, public serving professional officers.

All good but would need to pay more for good cops. More pay for cops= more taxes.

[brianp0803]

Unfortunately, that is a growing trend in America. Give me more services. Give me better services. Lower my taxes. Raise taxes on corporations that create jobs.
 

I had forgotten the origins of slavery in America was an artifact of the way that England colonized territories. The first 12 presidents, and likely many of the people who wrote the Constitution of the United Stated probably had slaves. Therefore any statues and painting in museums of our first 12 presidents, and the signers of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution should all be destroyed. BLM 
 

With the new politically correct protocol cops will be required to follow, I would seriously fear for my life if I was a cop. The number of cops being shot by violent criminals will likely increase, especially if the suspected criminal is In the protected class group and cops are afraid to use force to protect themselves. Police officers investigating violent crimes should receive double pay and all should be equipped with bulletproof vest.(but that requires money). The funding for police should be radically increased.

[Logosone]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

Personally I'm unsure what relevance a 2016 draft report (e.g. did the final report contain the same content) has to do with today's circumstances. However, I do note you omit to quote an important sentence from the summary...

 

We argue that the patterns in the data are consistent with a model in which police officers are utility maximizers, a fraction of which have a preference for discrimination, who incur relatively high expected costs of officer-involved shootings.

The report you refer to was written by Ronald G Fryer, the youngest African-American to receive tenure at Harvard and the first to win a John Bates Clark medal, a prize given to the most promising American economist under 40. Given that this report was written by a very highly respected academic and African-American a lot of newspapers in the US reported his findings. Here in the New York Times for example you can read:

 

A new study confirms that black men and women are treated differently in the hands of law enforcement. They are more likely to be touched, handcuffed, pushed to the ground or pepper-sprayed by a police officer, even after accounting for how, where and when they encounter the police. But when it comes to the most lethal form of force — police shootings — the study finds no racial bias. “It is the most surprising result of my career,” said Roland G. Fryer Jr., the author of the study and a professor of economics at Harvard. The study examined more than 1,000 shootings in 10 major police departments, in Texas, Florida and California.

 

He and student researchers spent about 3,000 hours assembling detailed data from police reports in Houston; Austin, Tex.; Dallas; Los Angeles; Orlando, Fla.; Jacksonville, Fla.; and four other counties in Florida.

 

In shootings in these 10 cities involving officers, officers were more likely to fire their weapons without having first been attacked when the suspects were white.

 

But police shootings are only part of the picture. What about situations in which an officer might be expected to fire, but doesn’t? To answer this, Mr. Fryer focused on one city, Houston. The Police Department there let the researchers look at reports not only for shootings but also for arrests when lethal force might have been justified. Mr. Fryer found that in such situations, officers in Houston were about 20 percent less likely to shoot if the suspects were black. 

 

Mr. Fryer found that blacks were either less likely to be shot or there was no difference between blacks and whites.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

 

It looks like the final report contained the same key conclusion as the draft namely:

 

When it comes to police shootings, blacks are actually not more likely to be shot than whites.

 

So are you saying, Simples, that when a black academic with tenure at Harvard finds that the entire Black Lives Matter assertion that blacks are more likely to be shot is a falsehood, that his report is irrelevant?

 

Why is that? 

 

 

[brianp0803]

I think several educated black people have spoken out against BLM.  It would be interesting to know the average education level of the BLM rioters.  

  

Los Angeles has diverted $150,000,000 from the police force to the black community in response to the threat of additional destruction of the city.  I hope this only effects the patrol cars in the black areas and is not a general cut to police serving the community that wants their protection. I hope the people in the black communities will not call the police when they have problems.   

 

But BLM activist have already said this is not near enough money (maybe still destroy the city unless additional money is given - paying blackmail seldom works) They want to police themselves.  Maybe the BLM organizers could set up "protection services", and businesses and people could pay for their "protection"

[Logosone]

36 minutes ago, The Barmbeker said:

I hope, all you Trump fans know a good massage- place!

Your bones and muscles must hurt, from all the twisting and turning, to defend this dumbsterfire of a human and his vile rethoric!

I don't think Trump's reply that more whites than blacks were killed was "vile rhetoric".

 

With the power only of his mind Donald Trump has at a stroke taken the wind out of the sails of BLM by showing that their propaganda that blacks were killed at a higher rate by police is simply.....wrong.

 

Now that BLM is exposed as the fraud, deceit and falsehood it so obviously is hopefully it will go by the same wayside as Me Too and all the other social media hysterias we've seen in recent times.

[metisdead]

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[Phoenix Rising]

6 minutes ago, i84teen said:

I am willing to bet it is you...your types ...so filled with HATRED and this far left brainwashing syndrome, that suffers not only physical impairments as u describe but also serious mental delusion and other diseases of the brain.

Its all too rewarding to be able to discuss trump and actually wake up each morning feeling good, normal, unlike you HATERS who wake up each morning HATING, that's a terrible, meaningless, pathetic existence! And just think, if you survive it all, u will continue to HATE well beyond 2025/25.

Happy HATING!

(u seriously need to get a life)

Anyone else think this HATING drivel is getting old? Listen up you trump fans; if he stops doing stupid and hateful tings there will be less criticism of him.

This ain't rocket science but since he's ill equipped to do or say anything that's not stupid things won't change. So if your titties are twisted when he gets hammered I suggest you do the "see no evil/hear no evil" routine, which you seem to  have perfected during the last 3.5 years of the world's ultimate sh!t show: the trump "presidency".

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Anyone else think this HATING drivel is getting old? Listen up you trump fans; if he stops doing stupid and hateful tings there will be less criticism of him.

This ain't rocket science but since he's ill equipped to do or say anything that's not stupid things won't change. So if your titties are twisted when he gets hammered I suggest you do the "see no evil/hear no evil" routine, which you seem to  have perfected during the last 3.5 years of the world's ultimate sh!t show: the trump "presidency".

All Trump and all of America has to do is get down on your knees and beg forgiveness from blm. Trump should apologize for telling the truth about blacks in this country and he should plead forgiveness for his "White Privilege". 

 

Kum Bah Yah America...

[darrendsd]

Black people : Want to avoid getting shot by the Police? Stop committing so much crime

 

The facts are there for anyone to search for - Black people in the USA commit more crime than white people

[xylophone]

6 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

if he stops doing stupid and hateful tings there will be less criticism of him.

To quote: "he has delusions of adequacy". so he will never change what he is or how he is.

 

It is clear for open minded people to see this, but not others. Such a shame for the US.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

All Trump and all of America has to do is get down on your knees and beg forgiveness from blm. Trump should apologize for telling the truth about blacks in this country and he should plead forgiveness for his "White Privilege". 

I'd prefer if he first apologized for being a corrupt and treasonous president.

[Logosone]

10 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Anyone else think this HATING drivel is getting old? Listen up you trump fans; if he stops doing stupid and hateful tings there will be less criticism of him.

This ain't rocket science but since he's ill equipped to do or say anything that's not stupid things won't change. So if your titties are twisted when he gets hammered I suggest you do the "see no evil/hear no evil" routine, which you seem to  have perfected during the last 3.5 years of the world's ultimate sh!t show: the trump "presidency".

The extreme hatred of Trump began as soon as the presidency began.

 

He has not said anything stupid here, he has said something very insightful, something that is clearly true:

 

Whites are killed in greater numbers by police than African-Americans. And BANG! the entire premise of BLM is blown away and exposed for the deceit, falsehood and fraud it clearly is. It is not at all the case that blacks are killed in greater numbers than whites.

 

It was one could say, a genius stroke to draw attention to this very fact, that blacks are not in fact shot in greater numbers, as BLM claims.

Edited July 16, 2020 by Logosone

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, Logosone said:

The extreme hatred of Trump began as soon as the presidency began.

 

He has not said anything stupid here, he has said something very insightful, something that is clearly true:

 

Whites are killed in greater numbers by police than African-Americans. And BANG! the entire premise of BLM is blow away and exposed for the deceit, falsehood and fraud it clearly is. It is not at all the case that blacks are killed in greater numbers than whites.

 

It was one could say, a genius stroke to draw attention to this very fact, that blacks are not in fact shot in greater numbers, as BLM claims.

LOL. Yes, trumps is clearly a genius. But is he stable??

[Logosone]

4 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

LOL. Yes, trumps is clearly a genius. But is he stable??

His statement that whites were killed in greater number than blacks was a stroke of genius.

 

Because now everyone is actually looking at the numbers seriously for the first time and guess what:

 

Even black academics can not see any greater likelihood of blacks being shot by police.

 

So clearly that means that BLM is a fraud.

 

Just by the power of his mind Trump has defeated BLM at its own game. It's remarkable.

 

 

Edited July 16, 2020 by Logosone

[earlinclaifornia]

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

<SNIP>

So are you saying, Simples, that when a black academic with tenure at Harvard finds that the entire Black Lives Matter assertion that blacks are more likely to be shot is a falsehood, that his report is irrelevant?

 

Why is that? 

 

 

No need for the childish insult. demeans any credibility you're trying to establish. Regards Fryer's report...

 

In 2016, Fryer published a working paper concluding that although minorities (African Americans and Hispanics) are more likely to experience police use of force than whites, they were not more likely to be shot by police than whites.^[11] The study generated considerable controversy and criticism.^{[12][13][14][15]} Fryer addressed some of these criticisms in an interview with the New York Times.^[16] In 2019, Fryer's paper was published in the Journal of Political Economy.^[17] More recent academic work, written in response to Fryer and others, has argued that the types of conclusions generated through administrative records on police stops are mathematically incapable of reaching the conclusions advocated by Fryer's work.^[18]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_G._Fryer_Jr.