Britain nears abandoning Brexit trade deal hope - The Telegraph

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, bannork said:

Only failed to be elected as MP seven times.

time will tell

[Rookiescot]

16 minutes ago, kingdong said:

where does one start?

Struggling are you?

Thought you might.

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Struggling are you?

Thought you might.

whats the point of trying to reason with you?will you take my points on board,? cause you won't i live in the uk and see and have suffered from the results of eu membership and voted accordingly  as did the majority of the electorate.

[vogie]

49 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So the Brexit shambles and the damage being done to the country is the fault of remainers?

Even for you Vogie thats twisted logic on an industrial scale.

That "leave government" is now polling neck and neck with the Labour party having thrown away a 26 point lead.

Where is the oven ready deal Johnson was claiming he had?

The rest of your post is something about cake but its pretty much word salad so I bother with it.

Au contraire, it is not rocket science to know that if the remainers had voted for something they would not have got something else, you can't have your cake and eat it you know.

Let that be a lesson to all remainers, you snooze......you lose.

 

 

[kingdong]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

Au contraire, it is not rocket science to know that if the remainers had voted for something they would not have got something else, you can't have your cake and eat it you know.

Let that be a lesson to all remainers, you snooze......you lose.

 

 

democracy ruled ok.

[bannork]

39 minutes ago, kingdong said:

time will tell

It already has 

[bannork]

24 minutes ago, kingdong said:

whats the point of trying to reason with you?will you take my points on board,? cause you won't i live in the uk and see and have suffered from the results of eu membership and voted accordingly  as did the majority of the electorate.

Your suffering is about to begin. Once again get it right regarding the electorate. Only 37% voted to leave, a minority of the electorate.

[Rookiescot]

19 minutes ago, vogie said:

Au contraire, it is not rocket science to know that if the remainers had voted for something they would not have got something else, you can't have your cake and eat it you know.

Let that be a lesson to all remainers, you snooze......you lose.

 

 

So the choice was between leaving or leaving and you think the remainers should have voted for leave?

Aye OK.

[simple1]

55 minutes ago, kingdong said:

just like barnier and the europhile petites

 

 

 

pleased to see you don't deny farage's a conman - some honesty goes a long way

Edited August 30, 2020 by simple1

[Rookiescot]

24 minutes ago, kingdong said:

whats the point of trying to reason with you?will you take my points on board,? cause you won't i live in the uk and see and have suffered from the results of eu membership and voted accordingly  as did the majority of the electorate.

Thats a lengthy way of saying "I dont have a list of damage the EU has done to the UK".

No problem. We will just put this down as another of your baseless assertions that you fail to back up.

[simple1]

26 minutes ago, kingdong said:

suffered from the results of eu membership

 

 

 

Out of interest got some examples that directly affected you, not immigration related.

Edited August 30, 2020 by simple1

[bannork]

7 hours ago, englishoak said:

But we're still leaving and thats that... ????

Is he trying to imitate Churchill? The man who regrets not being at Dunkirk or was it the beaches of Normandy? If he really wants to be a soldier Nigel could head for Iraq and fight the remnants of ISIS.

[vogie]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

So the choice was between leaving or leaving and you think the remainers should have voted for leave?

Aye OK.

The referendum was the choice of leaving or remaining in the EU, the country voted to leave, now in a democracy we had to leave, it is that simple.

You had a choice of the way we left and you chose to ignore the one foot in the EUs door offer, your fault, nobody else to blame. You had the choice to hang on to one of Barniers shirt tails but that wasn't good enough, you wanted the full shirt, now your chickens are coming home to roost, cluck cluck.

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, bannork said:

Is he trying to imitate Churchill? The man who regrets not being at Dunkirk or was it the beaches of Normandy? If he really wants to be a soldier Nigel could head for Iraq and fight the remnants of ISIS.

Not sure Churchill would be one of his roll models.

Sir Oswald Mosley might be though.

[vogie]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

Not sure Churchill would be one of his roll models.

Sir Oswald Mosley might be though.

Personal attacks now, nice.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

The referendum was the choice of leaving or remaining in the EU, the country voted to leave, now in a democracy we had to leave, it is that simple.

You had a choice of the way we left and you chose to ignore the one foot in the EUs door offer, your fault, nobody else to blame. You had the choice to hang on to one of Barniers shirt tails but that wasn't good enough, you wanted the full shirt, now your chickens are coming home to roost, cluck cluck.

If remainers had voted for any form of leave then they would be guilty of hypocrisy and facilitating the Brexit shambles. No way were we going to do that.

Brexit belongs to you guys. You voted for it with no idea what you actually voting for. Trying to shift the blame onto those who knew Brexit is going to be a disaster is not going to work.

You got what you voted for. 

[transam]

12 minutes ago, bannork said:

Your suffering is about to begin. Once again get it right regarding the electorate. Only 37% voted to leave, a minority of the electorate.

Oh, that ol' chestnut, don't you realise even governments get into power with low percentages. 

But, lets assume those who didn't vote didn't care one way or the other, so divide that number by 2 and add that figure to remain and leave then you tell me who won, remain or leave....????

[stephenterry]

Let's face it. This current tory government headed by a complete waste of space prime minister, is incapable of managing anything, let alone brexit. At the end of the day, the UK tax payer will will be left with the burden of repaying a few trillion pounds.

 

With Labour resurgence to equal the tories at 40% of voting intentions, I sense that the next two to three weeks will bring about the initiation of remedial action by the party influentials. I wouldn't be surprised if johnson is relieved of his position and Rishi Sunak replacing him - the one minister who seems perfectly capable of explaining how he bust the economy during Covid 19.  

[transam]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

If remainers had voted for any form of leave then they would be guilty of hypocrisy and facilitating the Brexit shambles. No way were we going to do that.

Brexit belongs to you guys. You voted for it with no idea what you actually voting for. Trying to shift the blame onto those who knew Brexit is going to be a disaster is not going to work.

You got what you voted for. 

Brexit shambles, your opinion, no idea what we voted for, your opinion, blame others, your opinion, you got what we voted for, for once, and only once, you are correct....

 

Rock-on......

[transam]

15 minutes ago, bannork said:

Is he trying to imitate Churchill? The man who regrets not being at Dunkirk or was it the beaches of Normandy? If he really wants to be a soldier Nigel could head for Iraq and fight the remnants of ISIS.

Cam down now..........????

[Phulublub]

47 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

If remainers had voted for any form of leave then they would be guilty of hypocrisy and facilitating the Brexit shambles. No way were we going to do that.

Brexit belongs to you guys. You voted for it with no idea what you actually voting for. Trying to shift the blame onto those who knew Brexit is going to be a disaster is not going to work.

You got what you voted for. 

I don;t recall beingngiven a vote on the choices of how we left.  I wanted to, but was denied that opportunity.  Instead, the House of commons made a complete dog's reakfast of it.  Quite a number of Brexiteers were saying we would "take back control" from the unlected beuarocrats of Brussels, presumbaly to place it in the shambles at Westminster; well that started well.

 

But on democracy, I see that some think it is fine for Farage (who is so enamoured of and confident in an independent UK being out of Europe that he has applied for dual citizenship for himself and is family) to stand again and again and again as an MP despite losing numerous times, but it is not OK for us to express our opinion and vote on how/when/whether we should leave the EU as we have already had our say (even though "we" had "our say" in 1974, so that should have been that if we are never again to be allowed to vote on the matter. 

 

Double standards??

 

PH

[Phulublub]

54 minutes ago, transam said:

Oh, that ol' chestnut, don't you realise even governments get into power with low percentages. 

But, lets assume those who didn't vote didn't care one way or the other, so divide that number by 2 and add that figure to remain and leave then you tell me who won, remain or leave....????

Those wanting Brexit were, for obvious reasons, much more motivated to vote, so of those who did not, a large percentage would likely have voted to retain the staus quo - which is why, for such a monumental change, there should have been a much higher hurdle than 50% plus 1 for Brexit to win the day.

 

PH

[transam]

26 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Those wanting Brexit were, for obvious reasons, much more motivated to vote, so of those who did not, a large percentage would likely have voted to retain the staus quo - which is why, for such a monumental change, there should have been a much higher hurdle than 50% plus 1 for Brexit to win the day.

 

PH

Well you would say that wouldn't you.........????.........................????

[david555]

4 hours ago, transam said:

Brexit shambles, your opinion, no idea what we voted for, your opinion, blame others, your opinion, you got what we voted for, for once, and only once, you are correct....

 

Rock-on......

And even the brecit consequenses are not incorporated.....

Rock..on....????

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/29/treasury-officials-push-bombshell-tax-hikes-pay-virus/

Treasury officials push for bombshell tax hikes to pay for virus

Historic tax grab will see treasury push for a raid on capital gains, pensions, internet sales, fuel and inheritance

By Harry Yorke, Political Correspondent 29 August 2020 • 9:41pm

[transam]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

And even the brecit consequenses are not incorporated.....

Rock..on....????

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/29/treasury-officials-push-bombshell-tax-hikes-pay-virus/

Treasury officials push for bombshell tax hikes to pay for virus

Historic tax grab will see treasury push for a raid on capital gains, pensions, internet sales, fuel and inheritance

By Harry Yorke, Political Correspondent 29 August 2020 • 9:41pm

Oh hello again, nice to see you back, but do you have a problem with your keyboard....?????

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Phulublub said:

Those wanting Brexit were, for obvious reasons, much more motivated to vote, so of those who did not, a large percentage would likely have voted to retain the staus quo - which is why, for such a monumental change, there should have been a much higher hurdle than 50% plus 1 for Brexit to win the day.

 

PH

To think that the EU represents the 'status quo' is delusional - look how it has mutated since 1975. Think it won't mutate further? 

 

With reference to referenda rules, why change them for the one you just lost? There was no referendum at all before we joined the EEC, anyway.

 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2020 by nauseus

[nauseus]

20 minutes ago, david555 said:

And even the brecit consequenses are not incorporated.....

Rock..on....????

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/29/treasury-officials-push-bombshell-tax-hikes-pay-virus/

Treasury officials push for bombshell tax hikes to pay for virus

Historic tax grab will see treasury push for a raid on capital gains, pensions, internet sales, fuel and inheritance

By Harry Yorke, Political Correspondent 29 August 2020 • 9:41pm

Off topic. Please transfer to the covid ward.

[david555]

39 minutes ago, transam said:

Oh hello again, nice to see you back, but do you have a problem with your keyboard....?????

Copy paste from The Telegraph by smartphone made it so.....

 

you can ask to remove , I am on pc now so then i can make it correct size if you wish …..

 

Edited August 30, 2020 by david555

[Nigel Garvie]

7 hours ago, vogie said:

Personal attacks now, nice.

Steady on now Vogie, personal attacks in this forum means if one member makes derogatory remarks about another. Everyone, on all sides, attacks public figures that they don't agree with or dislike, that's obviously different.

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Steady on now Vogie, personal attacks in this forum means if one member makes derogatory remarks about another. Everyone, on all sides, attacks public figures that they don't agree with or dislike, that's obviously different.

If someone suggests that a members roll model is Oswald Moseley the fascist leader and yet you don't consider that derogatory, are you serious. 

7 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Not sure Churchill would be one of his roll models.

Sir Oswald Mosley might be though.