UK concerned by rise in small boats crossing from France, immigration official says

[evadgib]

36 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Hmm, number of false claims here, let’s start with the last one, please quote where I have slagged off the Uk.

 

The former, we’re talking about (well I am) about those fleeing terror and violence and anyone doing so should be given refugee status and permission to reside. 

 

Those fleeing failed states or brutal dictatorships such as in Venezuela should also be supported and recognised as refugees.

 

Those fleeing crushing poverty and seeking a better life, bravo. Good luck to them, I only wish they would not have to rely on those scum who traffic people in this situation

- You post history is self explanatory, as is the route cause.

- No one has suggested otherwise AFAICT.

- Yep, I agree there too & can only add 'as long as they arrive via the front door, having been suitably screened' and add some ol' guff about behaving themselves after such privilege has been granted...

Edited August 9, 2020 by evadgib

[Bluespunk]

11 minutes ago, evadgib said:

- You post history is self explanatory, as is the route cause.

- No one has suggested otherwise AFAICT.

- Yep, I agree there too & can only add 'as long as they arrive via the front door, having been suitably screened' and add some ol' guff about behaving themselves after such privilege is granted...

-can’t prove that claim, eh. Then withdraw it.

 

-Hmm, I thought some of the more extremist posters had, let me check and quote them for you if I’m correct.

Edit: posts #96 and #105 are examples of above. 
 

 

-those fleeing terror, violence, dictatorship and crushing poverty have the right, as far as I’m concerned, to do so in any manner available to them.

 

Though from what I watched on the bbc, when they live tracked a boat crossing the channel for most of the morning last week, the boat paused before the cliffs of Dover and waited to be picked up by the authorities. 

Edited August 9, 2020 by Bluespunk
Added examples of posters

[Rookiescot]

Thing is illegal immigrants are exactly that. Illegal. The numbers actually arriving in the UK is in reality very small. We are an island after all. Even if they successfully evade the border force they cannot claim benefits or housing or anything else. Now the ones who are detained will be processed. Those found to be economic migrants will be returned. Those found to be genuine refugees from a country we bombed some democracy into will be allowed to stay. This is how most countries behave. Brexit will not change that.

But these kinds of immigrants are not really the problem for Brexiteers are they?

Its the immigrants from the EU coming to the UK to do the jobs that Brits just dont want to do that are their problem.

Brexiteers believe they live the life of Riley. Free healthcare (same as UK citizens living in the EU get). Access to benefits (after 3 months). Free housing (if they meet the criteria and you can thank Thatcher for the council house shortage BTW).

So given those preconditions the VAST majority of immigrants to the UK actually come here with a job already lined up. Often working on farms picking fruit and veg. Living in squalid conditions and working long hours for little money. When the job is finished guess what they do? They go back home. Thats the reality of immigration to the UK.

Now who is going to do that job come January?  

Let me suggest all those plucky Brexiteers sitting in Thailand get back home and dig for victory. Stop expounding others to work hard and make Brexit a success. Lead by example. After all you ARE an immigrant living in Thailand because you want a better lifestyle. Immigrants are bad though remember?

 

Hypocrisy and self awareness are not things Brexiteers really do though is it?

 

[Rimmer]

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[RuamRudy]

30 minutes ago, vogie said:

Such as????

Well clearly the one we currently have is utterly incapable of managing this plus so many other crises - maybe try one fronted by a more competent leader? 

[sirocco]

Yes, yes, since Emmanuel 1st proclaimed himself Emperor, there is a scent of dictatorship, but only for native French people, but not for those of "papers" or various, varied and damaged foreigners.
A little while longer, and he will rule the whole earth.
See LIBAN

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Well clearly the one we currently have is utterly incapable of managing this plus so many other crises - maybe try one fronted by a more competent leader? 

If you are referring to Keir Starmer, I cannot deny he seems quite popular but the same cannot be said about the Labour Party, Starmer is out polling his party, infact it's the same old Labour with a different leader. So really that puts the Labour Party out of the running and only leaves the Tories as the most credible party.

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

If you are referring to Keir Starmer, I cannot deny he seems quite popular but the same cannot be said about the Labour Party, Starmer is out polling his party, infact it's the same old Labour with a different leader. So really that puts the Labour Party out of the running and only leaves the Tories as the most credible party.

The same Tory party that promised you guys ever since they took over from Brown that they would reduce migration to 10's of thousands per year?

Those Tories?

[loong]

22 hours ago, dunroaming said:

This subject is always a hot potato and just ends up with both sides shouting at each other.  Neither side will convince the other that they are right because neither side will believe that they are wrong.

 

There will always be those who hate the fact that Britain is a multi-racial country that is compassionate when it comes to asylum seekers and those who wholeheartedly embrace it.  I have a wife from Asia and we live in  Britain with our half caste son.

 

Ironically this board is full of immigrants to Thailand who have Asian wives or partners and many have their own half caste children.  And they have the nerve to complain about immigrants in their home countries.  Hypocrites! One and all. 

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Ironically this board is full of immigrants to Thailand

I live in Thailand, but I am not an immigrant. In fact I am sure that the vast majority of foreigners are not immigrants.

I am here on an extended visa which requires proof that I have the finances necessary to be allowed to stay here. I am not a burden on the country.

My visa is a NON-IMMIGRANT VISA, I guess just to make absolutely sure that I don't consider myself an immigrant.

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, loong said:

I live in Thailand, but I am not an immigrant. In fact I am sure that the vast majority of foreigners are not immigrants.

I am here on an extended visa which requires proof that I have the finances necessary to be allowed to stay here. I am not a burden on the country.

My visa is a NON-IMMIGRANT VISA, I guess just to make absolutely sure that I don't consider myself an immigrant.

No you dont have a visa.

You have an extension to stay.

Bit pedantic really but you did start it.

[transam]

10 minutes ago, loong said:

I live in Thailand, but I am not an immigrant. In fact I am sure that the vast majority of foreigners are not immigrants.

I am here on an extended visa which requires proof that I have the finances necessary to be allowed to stay here. I am not a burden on the country.

My visa is a NON-IMMIGRANT VISA, I guess just to make absolutely sure that I don't consider myself an immigrant.

Yes, I agree, most here are in the same boat, but you do not have a visa, they have extended your stay...

[simple1]

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

They're on 40 quid a week on top of the 3 & 4* hotels that have been commandeered until 2021 according to the few that have been interviewed before goons have stepped in.

You're misrepresenting facts. Good quality hotel accommodation is a temporary solution only if alternate facilities are unavailable. If an asylum seeker's application for refugee status is declined, they do get a degree of support until they can be removed from the country. Removal is very challenging due to the current lack of government to government agreements, resourcing and funding.

 

Overview of HMG welfare for asylum seekers at URL below. I would guess a number work illegally for cash in hand as the amount allocated for day to day living is a pittance.

 

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get 

 

You and others will likely accept MigrationWatch as they are a right-wing think tank. If they are correct it is very clear the issues of managing illegals and refused visa applicants lay squarely at the feet of government for lack of resourcing / funding.

 

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/illegal-immigration

 

 

Edited August 9, 2020 by simple1

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Shhhh, Bluespunk is watching (????????) ????

Let me guess. You were in the Special Army Soldiers and fought in every war since Gallipoli and once killed a Roman general using only your mess tin.

At least thats what you tell everyone in the bar eh?

Go on mate. How many years in the regulars did you serve?

[melvinmelvin]

22 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

No you dont have a visa.

You have an extension to stay.

Bit pedantic really but you did start it.

to be pedantic; he does have a visa

 

its extenstion of stay not to stay - anyway, extension of what? his visa!

and probably a non immigrant visa

 

the correct term in British English for describing just any scribble

in your passport that allows you to enter and/or stay in LoS, or any other country for that matter,

is visa

 

what ubonjoe and others with their American English call such scribbles

does not alter the above

 

 

 

 

[Bluespunk]

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Don’t get personal

[Rimmer]

An off topic troll post of events that happened years ago has been removed also replies

[tebee]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Thing is illegal immigrants are exactly that. Illegal. The numbers actually arriving in the UK is in reality very small.

 

 

For comparison the number of asylum seekers granted leave leave  to remain in the UK last year was 4k - in France it was 143k

 

This is yet another manufactured crisis.

 

A convenient dead cat to throw on the table when people have started to look into the corruption in PPE contracts  maybe?    

[evadgib]

46 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You're misrepresenting facts. Good quality hotel accommodation is a temporary solution only if alternate facilities are unavailable. If an asylum seeker's application for refugee status is declined, they do get a degree of support until they can be removed from the country. Removal is very challenging due to the current lack of government to government agreements, resourcing and funding.

 

Overview of HMG welfare for asylum seekers at URL below. I would guess a number work illegally for cash in hand as the amount allocated for day to day living is a pittance.

 

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get 

 

You and others will likely accept MigrationWatch as they are a right-wing think tank. If they are correct it is very clear the issues of managing illegals and refused visa applicants lay squarely at the feet of government for lack of resourcing / funding.

 

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/illegal-immigration

 

 

Appreciated, but any misrepretation of something seen/heard in a livestream isn't down to the people that are viewing & I'm having none of that 'far right' baloney.

[bert bloggs]

2 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Oh dear, back to that old deflection tactic when can’t refute the facts...

oh dear ,back to i  am a goody ,but its not my problem ,

[Bluespunk]

Just now, bert bloggs said:

oh dear ,back to i  am a goody ,but its not my problem ,

Deflection, deflection, deflection. 
 

That all you got.

 

[transam]

9 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

For comparison the number of asylum seekers granted leave leave  to remain in the UK last year was 4k - in France it was 143k

 

This is yet another manufactured crisis.

 

A convenient dead cat to throw on the table when people have started to look into the corruption in PPE contracts  maybe?    

But they're all camped in Calais.....????

[bert bloggs]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Deflection, deflection, deflection. 
 

That all you got.

 

no i say what should be done in the real world ,you just beat your chest and make out how good you are and reckon we must help the scroungers ,we worked to build a good country ,and people like you would see it destroyed by people who want something for nothing and do nothing to make their countrys better ,but just drag other ones down to their level.

Edited August 9, 2020 by bert bloggs

[evadgib]

Thunderstorm this end so I'm signing off before this PC gets zapped.

Edited August 9, 2020 by evadgib

[transam]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

Thunderstorm this end so I'm signing off before this PC gets zapped.

I have one too....☹️

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

no i say what should be done in the real world ,you just beat your chest and make out how good you are and reckon we must help the scroungers ,we worked to build a good country ,and people like you would see it destroyed by people who want something for nothing and do nothing to make their countrys better ,but just drag other ones down to their level.

No, what I do is point out the realities of why refugees flee.
 

You can’t refute that so you deflect. 

[bert bloggs]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

Thunderstorm this end so I'm signing off before this PC gets zapped.

my baths running , i need to get clean after some of the luvvie posts on here????

[bert bloggs]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

No, what I do is point out the realities of why refugees flee.
 

You can’t refute that so you deflect. 

most are not fleeing ,if they were they would stop in the first safe place they came to ,they are scroungers who want something for nothing. if there is a fire in my home i get out into the garden ,i dont run to the hilton.

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

most are not fleeing ,if they were they would stop in the first safe place they came to ,they are scroungers who want something for nothing. if there is a fire in my home i get out into the garden ,i dont run to the hilton.

Wrong, most are fleeing violence, bloodshed, war, persecution and failed states. 
 

Ditto rest of your post.  

Edited August 9, 2020 by Bluespunk

[vogie]

17 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

For comparison the number of asylum seekers granted leave leave  to remain in the UK last year was 4k - in France it was 143k

 

This is yet another manufactured crisis.

 

A convenient dead cat to throw on the table when people have started to look into the corruption in PPE contracts  maybe?    

Why do the left condone illegal activity, what message are we sending out by rewarding illegal behaviour. If migrants want to come to our country let them do it legally, it's not that difficult.

[bert bloggs]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Wrong, most are fleeing violence. 

so why is it always the men fleeing ,very,very few women and children ,if there is war MEN stay and fight for their women and children.