More migrants cross Channel to Britain as political tension rises

[melvinmelvin]

14 minutes ago, vogie said:

Call a rubber dinghy a ship for me, but at the end of the day it's a rubber dinghy and everybody will understand what we are talking about.

that is not the point

 

which legal instruments to be used to enforce "stop"?

 

you claim that  France should stop this because it ain't good for a pregnant woman to travel in a rubber dinghy

 

and the legal authority to do this is taken from ???

 

[transam]

41 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

why?

it is hardly illegal for a pregnant woman to board a boat and embark on a journey, risky or not

 

Now come on chap, you can do better than that....????

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, faraday said:

Mostly started by America, na Chomps?

Well yes, but the British Government we’re keen toddle on behind and play their part.

 

 

[tebee]

4 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

They are illegal immigrants not refugees just looking for the place with the best handouts from the state. ....

If they were doing that they would stay in France - french benefits are much better than UK ones 

[Baerboxer]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Well yes, but the British Government we’re keen toddle on behind and play their part.

 

 

 

While insignificant other EU nations wring their hands whilst holding on to the shirt tales to collect any benefits that might come their way!

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Now come on chap, you can do better than that....????

Not found the legal basis to enforce ‘Stop’ then?!

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

While insignificant other EU nations wring their hands whilst holding on to the shirt tales to collect any benefits that might come their way!

I take it you are enjoying some benefits.

[transam]

1 minute ago, tebee said:

If they were doing that they would stay in France - french benefits are much better than UK ones 

The agents don't tell them that chap.............????

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I take it you are enjoying some benefits.

Off topic ol' chap, besides, we all paid for our security, perhaps you never eh...

[Baerboxer]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I take it you are enjoying some benefits.

 

There your assumptions would be wrong, again, as it seems they most often are.

[david555]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

If the UK can see these rubber dinghys coming in, why can't the French see them leaving and more to the point, why do they allow pregnant woman and children to embark on such a very dangerous journey, it doesn't seem very humanitarian to me, don't the French care (rhetorical).

There is no law to avoid people leaving a country and sure not France  as long they are not wanted for some crime ….many of them carry even the famous order to leave the country.....(annex bis #...). with excluding to go neighboring E.U . country's , before as a member you where in it ….. not any more as a third country ….. The U.K. can only HOPE the French are co operative …. not forced by E.U. law anymore concerning U.K.

 

May I remark the E.U. must  deal with INCOMING ones at Greece , Italy , Spain ….. so why you are crying now … I suggest U.K. deal also with the INCOMING ones on their side as we E.U. must do  …..

 

The U.K. border is now under the full control of U.K. "Take back Control of our borders….." as so many times echoed in Westminster ….. So it is all yours now !

 

 

 

Edited August 11, 2020 by david555

[NoshowJones]

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

Didn't recognise Pattaya, Chang Mai, central Bangkok or parts of Khon Kaen......flooded with trash from the UK. Singlet vests, tattoos, beer bellies, smoking, drinking, foul mouthed ....don't know how the locals tolerate them.

"....don't know how the locals tolerate them".

Is it only "trash" from the UK, what country do you come from? I don't like these type of people either, but every one of them will be contributing to the Thai economy. Can the same be said about all these non British emigrants that is being referred to?

[giddyup]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Dont suppose you took a Thai Wife along with you, did you ?

Foreigners living in Thailand complaining about all the foreigners living  in their own country ????

Difference is we are all self-supporting, not sucking on a government teat.

[david555]

13 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Difference is we are all self-supporting, not sucking on a government teat.

And who chose - voted for the government that allows that ? 

Edited August 11, 2020 by david555

[luckyluke]

1 hour ago, GuyFawkes said:

The remainder would be taken to an airport and put on a flight and returned to their country of origin. 

Fair enough,

my country try to do this with practically  no results,

These "refugees " have mostly no papers, it take ages, and a lot of costs to find out what their real nationality is.

When finally located, it is not sure their homeland accept them back.

There were cases where they were not authorized to debark.
The attendants ( officers ) had to take them back.

It seems it is cheaper to just tell them to leave the country, they may do it, and come back the day after, or just not leaving.

[vogie]

39 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

that is not the point

 

which legal instruments to be used to enforce "stop"?

 

you claim that  France should stop this because it ain't good for a pregnant woman to travel in a rubber dinghy

 

and the legal authority to do this is taken from ???

 

Don't you think that it morally wrong to allow children and pregnant women to set sail in a rubber dinghy into one of the most busiest shipping lanes in the world, at best it is totally irresponsible and whilst these people are in France they are responsible of the French authorities. It seems to me that by ignoring the fact that these people are in extreme danger the French are being less than humanitarian. And I'm sure that if the cargo was drugs they would soon find a way to stop the dinghy, but we are not talking drugs, we are talking about the safety of our fellow humans. The immigrants themselves have proven they don't take their own safety seriously enough, they need protecting from themselves, especially the most vunerable of the 'passengers'.

[david555]

Just now, luckyluke said:

Fair enough,

my country try to do this with practically  no results,

These "refugees " have mostly no papers, it take ages, and a lot of costs to find out what their real nationality is.

When finally located, it is not sure their homeland accept them back.

There were cases where they were not authorized to debark.
The attendants ( officers ) had to take them back.

It seems it is cheaper to just tell them to leave the country, they may do it, and come back the day after, or just not leaving.

It happened that escorting officers even had to pay local border control to take them in to their country , Embassy's who even denies they are their nationals , as many trow away their documents before entering western country's (this most Africans )

When police escort them to the supposed Embassy's , they may not be present when the consular service interview them ….. suspected they just ask them  : "do you wish to go back our country  or not ? "…. if not they just say it is not their national country person ….

 

Hopeless thing under present U.N. refugee status laws  …. outdated now 

[luckyluke]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

It seems to me that by ignoring the fact that these people are in extreme danger the French are being less than humanitarian

Not only the French, every European country just wish they leave their ground.

No proper law about it in the E.U..

Maybe there will be adequate laws in the U.K. next year.

Time will tell.

[david555]

58 minutes ago, tebee said:

If they were doing that they would stay in France - french benefits are much better than UK ones 

Maybe they just believe Boris fairytale about "Singapore on The Thames" …..and try to reserve their place ….

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

Don't you think that it morally wrong to allow children and pregnant women to set sail in a rubber dinghy into one of the most busiest shipping lanes in the world, at best it is totally irresponsible and whilst these people are in France they are responsible of the French authorities. It seems to me that by ignoring the fact that these people are in extreme danger the French are being less than humanitarian. And I'm sure that if the cargo was drugs they would soon find a way to stop the dinghy, but we are not talking drugs, we are talking about the safety of our fellow humans. The immigrants themselves have proven they don't take their own safety seriously enough, they need protecting from themselves, especially the most vunerable of the 'passengers'.

Such intervention would still require a legal basis and the will to stop people leaving France.

[Morch]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

All part of the UK getting its borders back and withdrawing the UK’s half hearted ‘cooperation’ with its neighbors.

 

Well that and the outcome of wars  and ‘regime’ changes the UK played a part in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's sorted, then. Ain't self-flagellation great. 

[Rookiescot]

12 minutes ago, vogie said:

Don't you think that it morally wrong to allow children and pregnant women to set sail in a rubber dinghy into one of the most busiest shipping lanes in the world, at best it is totally irresponsible and whilst these people are in France they are responsible of the French authorities. It seems to me that by ignoring the fact that these people are in extreme danger the French are being less than humanitarian. And I'm sure that if the cargo was drugs they would soon find a way to stop the dinghy, but we are not talking drugs, we are talking about the safety of our fellow humans. The immigrants themselves have proven they don't take their own safety seriously enough, they need protecting from themselves, especially the most vunerable of the 'passengers'.

Indeed it is stupid and dangerous to navigate a small dingy across the English channel but its not actually illegal to do so.

[transam]

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

Maybe they just believe Boris fairytale about "Singapore on The Thames" …..and try to reserve their place ….

Typical nonsense from a worried bloke....????

[JulesMad]

UK wanted their Brexit; now they got it and they start moaning about the EU (France in particular) NOT stopping people that want to go to UK.
If people want to go to UK (don't ask me why...), who is the EU to tell them 'no'?
These immigrants WANT to go to UK, not EU...

BTW, trying to cross the Channel in a dinghy is very stupid and dangerous, but NOT illegal as they are in international waters. ONLY when they try to enter UK they are illegal immigrants.

[david555]

Just now, transam said:

Typical nonsense from a worried bloke....????

[transam]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Such intervention would still require a legal basis and the will to stop people leaving France.

I can just see you now on Hastings Beach, Union Jack in hand, waving away, big smile looking at the approaching dinghy's....????????

 

 

 

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Now come on chap, you can do better than that....????

actually, no, I don't think I can

 

a general legal principle in EEA and UK is that if its not forbidden its legal

 

pregnant woman boarding a boat, big or small, is not forbidden

 

so,

where do the French dig the required legal instrument out of the toolkit to stop this?

 

it is fully legal to do very stupid things in Europe,

UK and France are both in Europe, at least until UK cut the moorings and the foggy island drifts off into the Atlantic,

ensure proper lookout so you don't bump into Ireland on the way

 

 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

actually, no, I don't think I can

 

a general legal principle in EEA and UK is that if its not forbidden its legal

 

pregnant woman boarding a boat, big or small, is not forbidden

 

so,

where do the French dig the required legal instrument out of the toolkit to stop this?

 

it is fully legal to do very stupid things in Europe,

UK and France are both in Europe, at least until UK cut the moorings and the foggy island drifts off into the Atlantic,

ensure proper lookout so you don't bump into Ireland on the way

 

 

Sunbeam, Ireland won't be there, the EU just gave them a shock, I hear, so it will be plain sailing with our freedom chap....????

[Opl]

17 minutes ago, transam said:

Typical nonsense from a worried bloke....????

try this then.. : "But the new economic migrants are less exposed to racism. They believe that Brexit is going to increase economic opportunities for them," Khan added.

Some experts think Brexit offers a unique economic opportunity for British South Asians — something that was not possible with Britain being part of the EU bloc... More than this, there was the hope that once European migration stops, migration from South Asian countries can restart. It is a fight for resources between immigrants"

common sense speaks

https://www.dw.com/en/should-britains-south-asian-community-be-wary-of-brexit/a-52227189

 

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, transam said:

I can just see you now on Hastings Beach, Union Jack in hand, waving away, big smile looking at the approaching dinghy's....????????

 

 

 

 

 

 

That’s an odd fantasy.