Trump says he is considering pardon for leaker Edward Snowden

[mtls2005]

20 minutes ago, herwin1234 said:

In the old times Snowden (and that other traitor who was pardoned by Obama) they would be shot or hanged. 

 

 

How "old" are these "times"? And which country are you referring to?

 

For the record, only one person has been executed (hanged) for treason. Ever. Interestingly his crime was tearing down the U.S. Flag.

 

Pretty sure we have to be in a declared war, and you need two witnesses. But don't let us stop you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2020 by mtls2005

[KarenBravo]

Just another distraction to make you look away from 170k deaths and post office voter disenfranchisement.............or, it's what Putin has told him to do.

[Jeffr2]

“Snowden is a spy who should be executed—but if … he could reveal Obama’s records, I might become a major fan,” Trump wrote in October 2013, in a tweet that also made reference to Obamacare.

[Paul Henry]

Trump is acting under instructions from Putin. Vlad wants Snowden out of the USSR so one phone call and Trump has an epiphany. Yes I guess he is the chosen one to do the beckoning of Putin and his oligarchs with a gentle reminder of what they have on him.

[mtls2005]

1 minute ago, Paul Henry said:

Vlad wants Snowden out of the USSR so one phone call and Trump has an epiphany.

 

We'll maybe sixteen (16), eight (8) recently, calls, and an in-person meeting in September/October, to close the deal?

 

 

 

 

[Saint Nick]

As not-an-American, I will not get into the nitty- gritty!

In my opinion, Snowden was not a hero, but a whistleblower, showing the world some "amazing" things and should have been given a medal!

In that regards, pardoning him would be excellent!

But since this is Trump, I suspect some shady motives behind it, that have nothing to do with the good, Snowden did!

I mean...we all know, how the Orange Buffoon thinks about whistleblowers!

[4MyEgo]

They still haven't given up on extraditing Julian Assange from the UK, pity though.

[GeorgeCross]

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Trump says he is considering pardon for leaker Edward Snowden

 

you misspelled "leaker"

 

should have been H E R O.

 

 

[Morch]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

He doesn't have any principles except doing what he thinks is best for Donald Trump.

 

Which was what Trump supporters were saying about Harris for the last two days. But obviously this is totally different...

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

The former USSR, now Russia, eventually pardoned its dissidents, some of whom had sought refuge in the USA.

 

It is the time for the former USA, now USSA, to do the same.

 

Snowden simply denounced (some of) the crimes committed by US spying agencies, and should be rewarded for that, instead of being persecuted.

 

 

If one doesn't count Litvinenko, Skripal, pesky journalists and rival politicians...yes.

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Which was what Trump supporters were saying about Harris for the last two days. But obviously this is totally different...

Trump has shown this to be true.

[Tug]

2 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

Sorry, are you talking about Snowden, or Trump?

Both!

[Berkshire]

3 hours ago, Antonymous said:

Exposing illegal American spying was a great service to the world.

 

Whatever you think of Trump is irrelevant. A pardon would be a feather in any President's cap.

Maybe Trump should listen to.....eh, Trump!

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

An interesting wedge Mr. Trump is floating with this statement...will it get some progressive and liberal voters, already not very thrilled with the Biden/Kamela ticket, in swing states to pull the lever for Trump if a Snowdon pardon is in the wind? Another three-dimensional chess move from The Donald!

Edited August 17, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter

[xylophone]

10 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Another three-dimensional chess move from The Donald!

He would have trouble figuring out a game of Tiddlywinks, he is that dumb.

[Pattaya Spotter]

2 minutes ago, xylophone said:

He would have trouble figuring out a game of Tiddlywinks, he is that dumb.

And yet he's President of the United States and you're not...explain? 

Edited August 17, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter

[Morch]

17 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

An interesting wedge Mr. Trump is floating with this statement...will it get some progressive and liberal voters, already not very thrilled with the Biden/Kamela ticket, in swing states to pull the lever for Trump if a Snowdon pardon is in the wind? Another three-dimensional chess move from The Donald!

 

More like the usual nonsense to distract from real issues and things which are unflattering to him, or harm his campaign. Nothing special about it, he's been doing it all along. As for thinking about it by himself, I'd wager it's more people on his staff/campaign.

[Sujo]

6 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

And yet he's President of the United States and you're not...explain? 

US voters are not known for intelligence

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

An interesting wedge Mr. Trump is floating with this statement...will it get some progressive and liberal voters, already not very thrilled with the Biden/Kamela ticket, in swing states to pull the lever for Trump if a Snowdon pardon is in the wind? Another three-dimensional chess move from The Donald!

Doubt Trump's pardon will thrill the progressive and liberals. Reason simply that his number of past pardons have been controversial and given to well known connected convicted persons who did not file a petition with the Office of the Pardon Attorney or meet the Office requirements. Yes Trump bypassed the Justice Department and the progressive and liberals know his game well that he is doing this as a publicity stunt. Moreover 54% of the public - including identical majorities of Republicans and Democrats (59% each) want Snowden prosecuted and even the young people are equally divided.  

[xylophone]

10 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

And yet he's President of the United States and you're not...explain? 

I'm not dumb enough!!!

[Pattaya Spotter]

7 minutes ago, Sujo said:

US voters are not known for intelligence

Americans have received more Nobel prizes than any other country...explain? 

[Pattaya Spotter]

12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Doubt Trump's pardon will thrill the progressive and liberals. Reason simply that his number of past pardons have been controversial and given to well known connected convicted persons who did not file a petition with the Office of the Pardon Attorney or meet the Office requirements. Yes Trump bypassed the Justice Department and the progressive and liberals know his game well that he is doing this as a publicity stunt. Moreover 54% of the public - including identical majorities of Republicans and Democrats (59% each) want Snowden prosecuted and even the young people are equally divided.  

There is no "requirement" for a pardon other than a President wants to grant one. What you refer to are just administrative steps that have been put in place to manage the process; and are not Constitutionally required.

Edited August 17, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter
Clarity

[Eric Loh]

43 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

There is no "requirement" for a pardon other than a President wants to grant one. What you refer to are just administrative steps that have been put in place to manage the process; and are not Constitutionally required.

Agree that there are no legal requirement in the pardon process. It’s based on standard and like all standards provide orderly and decent conditions for the process. Trump regularly ignored the process and bypass the pardon attorney. It works against him that he persistently grant controversial pardons and do not follow the standard. People know that too well and will view this as his political expediency. Not good for him. 

[Pattaya Spotter]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Agree that there are no legal requirement in the pardon process. It’s based on standard and like all standards provide orderly and decent conditions for the process. Trump regularly ignored the process and bypass the pardon attorney. It works against him that he persistently grant controversial pardons and do not follow the standard. People know that too well and will view this as his political expediency. Not good for him. 

And others think it a good thing that he bypasses and ignores the bureaucracy and the deep state and their minions, and follows his instincts to do what he wants.

[Eric Loh]

12 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

And others think it a good thing that he bypasses and ignores the bureaucracy and the deep state and their minions, and follows his instincts to do what he wants.

Goodness the Justice Department belongs to Trump and headed by his goon. 

[Phoenix Rising]

15 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

And others think it a good thing that he bypasses and ignores the bureaucracy and the deep state and their minions, and follows his instincts to do what he wants.

Because what he wants to do often constitutes a criminal act. Why don't you get that......explain.

[Pattaya Spotter]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Because what he wants to do often constitutes a criminal act. Why don't you get that......explain.

Is that why he hasn't been charged with any crimes...either before or since becoming president?

[Pattaya Spotter]

15 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Goodness the Justice Department belongs to Trump and headed by his goon. 

Duly nominated and Senate confirmed cabinet officers, with whom you disagree, are "goon?

Edited August 17, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter
Can't get system to accept quote of "goons"?

[riclag]

7 hours ago, Tug said:

That’s our Donald!pandering to the younger voters and trying to descredit the institutions that have kept us safe over the years imo he’s a wonderfull asset to anyone who wants to weaken America 

Snowden is a hero in many ways !  I and many, not all, through the years, before Mr. Trumps Presidency ,cheered him on ! I would love to see him come home

 

" and then the furor over Snowden, the ex-National Security Agency contractor whose 2013 leaks exposed the astonishing reach of the government’s surveillance".

“There’s definitely a deep state,” Snowden told the Nation in 2014. “Trust me, I’ve been there.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/05/deep-state-real-cia-fbi-intelligence-215537

 

 

Edited August 17, 2020 by riclag

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Duly nominated and Senate confirmed cabinet officers, with whom you disagree, are "goon?

You expect different from a majority GOP Congress?