Should we install CCTV system for prospective tenants in Thailand?

[bbabythai]

We have been doing renovations on a building and recently had the local CCTV company do the wiring for 8 cameras (cost 11,500 baht). Initially we said we only wanted a couple of tv monitors but then subsequently changed this to have 5. (one on the top floor with the control box etc, 1 on the 2nd floor and 3 on the ground floor).

 

Now he has come back with a huge quotation to install the entire system. Its close to 70k extra to get it all up and running. 

 

Now Im thinking if I should bother paying for this and instead let the tenants install it if they want to. In worse case scenario they could take (steal) a lot of the equipment with them when departing etc. One never knows how good or bad they could be. 

 

We plan to move into the building ourselves in 6 yrs. Thus at this time we could put new cameras in at that stage- if the prospective tenants don't proceed with installing it themselves now. 

 

If anyone has ever rented a commercial premises I would be keen to hear your opinions. 

thanks kindly

 

 

[YT3k72Em]

You can do some googling and probably find a DIY solution.  Sets of these cameras from china are cheap and there are probably forums devoted to people doing this at home.

Since you have all the wiring done already it's probably pretty simple.

 

[blackcab]

Normally commercial premises are rented "bare". This means there is the absolute minimum in the premises at the time the lease is signed.

 

If you lease, for example, a unit in a shopping mall you will get a concrete shell with no frontage, no electrical wiring and no flooring.

 

If you lease an office then you may get walls, floor, ceiling, air conditioning and basic electrics - or you may not.

 

It would be unusual to commercially lease a property with additional equipment installed such as CCTV. Your post mentions there is a lot of extra equipment.

 

The reason this is unusual is that as a landlord you rent space. If you include lots of equipment you are moving towards leasing a complete business. There is nothing wrong with that, and it can be commercially astute, but it can also add complexity to the deal.

 

You should make sure you have a very strong commercial lease. Leases can favour the landlord or the tenant or they can lay somewhere in between. For this type of situation with additional fixtures and possibly fittings in the form of equipment your lease should be impeccable, and it should heavily favour the landlord. Do not use a standard one page lease from a local stationery shop or you could well regret it.

 

All aspects should be covered, for example who is responsible for maintenance of the fixtures and fittings? If a fixture breaks, who is responsible for the replacement? What about if a fitting breaks? Who defines the word "reasonable" when it comes to wear and tear?

 

Your lease should contain an Appendix with a detailed inventory, photographs and serial numbers if appropriate. Protection for the landlord starts at the beginning of the lease by forming a strong contact, not at the end when you are desperately searching CCTV recordings for proof of theft, etc.

 

That's if your CCTV hasn't been stolen aswell.

 

Personally I wouldn't install it. Leave it up to the commercial tenant.

[Crossy]

I agree ^^^.

 

Camera positions / numbers are very business specific, in retail they look at the shop for pilferers, in my industry they look at the staff for the same reason.

 

As a potential renter (cynic that I am) I would be wondering where else the feed goes, is someone watching to see when there's nobody home ...

  

[Bender Rodriguez]

lazada or shopee ... 1000 baht for a wifi cctv ...   done

[LNKDES1]

Granted, ours is a residential (one story, 125 sqm) CCTV system, 8 cameras (2 inside, 6 outside), complete wiring, control box in my office, can view on our big screen, and apps installed on both our phones so we can monitor from virtually anywhere. Cameras are crystal clear & work like a dream. Total cost, 14K baht.

[bbabythai]

1 hour ago, LNKDES1 said:

Granted, ours is a residential (one story, 125 sqm) CCTV system, 8 cameras (2 inside, 6 outside), complete wiring, control box in my office, can view on our big screen, and apps installed on both our phones so we can monitor from virtually anywhere. Cameras are crystal clear & work like a dream. Total cost, 14K baht.

Do you mind if I ask how many million pixels is your system. At that price it cant be 8mill. Must be 2million or 4?

 

The price we were quoted was for the high definition 8 million pixels. The control box etc is on the 4th floor

[hotchilli]

19 hours ago, bbabythai said:

Its close to 70k extra to get it all up and running. 

You're getting shafted.

[bbabythai]

42 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

You're getting shafted.

Possibly...   It is 8 million pixel set up with high end cameras over 4 floors in wiring. 

 

I took the quote into another cctv business with prices cut out. Asked for same spec and it was 20k cheaper. But they have not visited the building but probably closer to the mark. 

 

I think I will leave it to the tenants to install the system that they want whether it is high spec or low 2million pixel

[tomazbodner]

Most 8K cameras are very expensive and don't work very well in low light. Even majority of 4K cameras suffer badly in low light.

Edited August 26, 2020 by tomazbodner

[Susco]

3 hours ago, bbabythai said:

Do you mind if I ask how many million pixels is your system. At that price it cant be 8mill. Must be 2million or 4?

 

The price we were quoted was for the high definition 8 million pixels. The control box etc is on the 4th floor

A quality 2 million pixel camera, Dahua or Hikvision, with all options like night vision, auto zoom etc would cost no more than 2500 Baht.

 

An 8 channel DVR including hard disk another 3000 Baht.

 

You don't need 4 or 8K, and I doubt they would cost 3 - 4 times

 

 

[Crossy]

@bbabythai you say that you've had some CCTV wiring installed.

 

What kind of wiring has been installed? CAT-6 for IP cameras (with power over ethernet), co-ax with separate power, something else?