France's Le Drian blames Britain's 'attitude' for Brexit talks impasse

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Brexit is a fact. Brexit is past. Trade policy decisions are being made forward-looking, not based on things that can’t be changed. 

So not linked at all then. Righty ho.

[david555]

13 hours ago, Logosone said:

So we rebuild the entirety of Wales for you but you won't even share a haddock with us?

 

Well, well, well, now we see the true face of perfidious Albion.

Only now you see .....?????

[Logosone]

11 minutes ago, david555 said:

Only now you see .....?????

You're right, we should always expect Britain to do only that which it considers best for itself, that has been the theme of UK history for centuries, UK first and shaft the rest of the world as hard as you can.

 

Still, given the economic problems the UK is facing, you'd have thought that even UK nationalists would have understood that access to their main market would be important. But I guess nationalism and ideology is stronger than self-interest and logic itself. We've seen that in the past many times.

 

And yet when many were saying the UK does not really want a deal I did not believe it, but looks like that was indeed the case.

[Scott]

Trolling graphic removed.  

 

[david555]

(At last !....he should have done this earlier...???? and give them what they voted for ...) September is a short month...tik tok ...

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/31/michel-barnier-blocks-fisheries-talks-france-blasts-unrealistic/

 

Michel Barnier blocks fisheries talks as France blasts Britain's 'unrealistic' Brexit demands

France’s foreign affairs minister blasted the UK’s negotiating team for having an 'uncompromising and unrealistic attitude'

Edited September 1, 2020 by david555

[Opl]

Game Theory and Brexit Negotiations

"The origins in a game in which two drivers drive towards each other on a collision course: one must swerve, or both may die in the crash, but if one driver swerves and the other does not, the one who swerved will be called a "chicken. Cummings believes that the EU car will swerve at the last moment if it is convinced that the vehicle driven by Johnson is determined not to Chivers points out that one flaw in this theory is that it assumes that Johnson and the EU are driving the same cars. "

https://spartacus-educational.com/spartacus-blogURL129.htm

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by Opl

[david555]

17 minutes ago, Logosone said:

You're right, we should always expect Britain to do only that which it considers best for itself, that has been the theme of UK history for centuries, UK first and shaft the rest of the world as hard as you can.

 

Still, given the economic problems the UK is facing, you'd have thought that even UK nationalists would have understood that access to their main market would be important. But I guess nationalism and ideology is stronger than self-interest and logic itself. We've seen that in the past many times.

 

And yet when many were saying the UK does not really want a deal I did not believe it, but looks like that was indeed the case.

They sure go win now.....having their no deal .... oh sorry Australian deal they call it ....????????????

[Moo 2]

They are lucky the EU is still listening, when one cancels a contract, no concession to make, out you go!

They use immigration as the problem, the reality is the UK wanted to control the EU.

[Logosone]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

They sure go win now.....having their no deal .... oh sorry Australian deal they call it ....????????????

Yes, the golden age is now ready to kick in for Britain.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-19/johnson-announces-his-radical-agenda-for-u-k-after-brexit

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, mrfill said:

Well, its gone down the pan with the marvellous covid response so the effect of brexit can be shifted to 'the virus' and everything will be fine... its always good to have a surprise scapegoat when you have a useless government.

Don't say that too loud. Otherwise there will soon be another conspiracy theory that somehow Boris invented Covid.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

We're so lucky to get the real news from our TV insiders.

I only summarized what I read in the real UK news - The Guardian.

Unfortunately too many Brexiters avoid learning about reality.

[david555]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I only summarized what I read in the real UK news - The Guardian.

Unfortunately too many Brexiters avoid learning about reality.

Even "their own The Telegraph" is changing tunes regularly in their posts …..giving Boris decline as PM....

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Even "their own The Telegraph" is changing tunes regularly in their posts …..giving Boris decline as PM....

I have to admit I never looked at The Telegraph, The Sun, Mirror, etc. 

Somehow I don't think I missed anything important.

[welovesundaysatspace]

58 minutes ago, nauseus said:

So not linked at all then. Righty ho.

Exactly ???? 

[david555]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

I have to admit I never looked at The Telegraph, The Sun, Mirror, etc. 

Somehow I don't think I missed anything important.

I don't mind to use the bullets  from the opponent after they abandons their trenches …..???? it is even more fun ….

[Surelynot]

10 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I have to admit I never looked at The Telegraph, The Sun, Mirror, etc. 

Somehow I don't think I missed anything important.

I pluck up the courage every now and again......try reading the comments section if you fancy a bout of high blood pressure and a sleepless night.......it is frightening that these people are allowed to vote.

Edited September 1, 2020 by Surelynot

[david555]

5 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

I pluck up the courage every now and again......try reading the comments section if you fancy a bout of high blood pressure and a sleepless night.......it is frightening that these people are allowed to vote.

But it is fun in the readers comment section , to read how the steam is coming out of their brains …., looks more like Deville's falling in holy waters …..ksssst... ksssst...kssst   sound making LOL ! desperation start kicking in ...

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, bert bloggs said:

alongside? dont you mean under?

No,no,no - you misunderstand my dear chap. It is a true community of nation states, all equal be it the large economic powerhouses of Northern Europe or the smaller states on the southern fringes, producing, umh, olive oil?

Anyway, equals, so they stand alongside each other.

 

They just say, and do, what the Germans tell them to do.

 

Bit of a tradition in the last few attempts at European unity really!

[sawadee1947]

16 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I think most will just be happy to be out of the horrid mess that is the EU today.

It started as a common market, but the usual suspects got big headed and went a bridge too far.

Are you talking about those cherry pickers? ????

[Logosone]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

They just say, and do, what the Germans tell them to do.

If only.

 

That's why we got Coronabonds after Germany strongly opposed them I suppose.

Edited September 1, 2020 by Logosone

[Estrada]

But Boris said that he had an oven ready deal... Must have left it in his fridge and it got frozen.

 

[Loiner]

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

It can’t be the EU’s fault because the EU is an external factor. You can only blame what’s under your control. By blaming an external factor you’re admitting that you did a bad job at planning and mitigating that external factor (or a bad decision in the first place).
 

Like saying it’s the customers’ fault that your bag of hot air isn’t selling the way you predicted. 

 

Or like saying 180,000 deaths is the Coronavirus’ fault. 
 

 

 

These are trade negotiations between the UK and EU. There are no other external factors, just the two participants. They are there to tango, but because the EU can't get her own way anymore she's gone to sit with the wall flowers. Barnier's failing negotiations are nothing to do with covid.

I don't see why we've spent so long doing this dance with the EU anyway. Maybe it's because they are the one's who kept us on the hook with a transition period because they needed our ongoing contributions and thought they could continue trying to fool us into a BRINO. Well that's not happening.

[Loiner]

3 hours ago, Surelynot said:

I pluck up the courage every now and again......try reading the comments section if you fancy a bout of high blood pressure and a sleepless night.......it is frightening that these people are allowed to vote.

Well more of these people voted to Leave than your people did. Remainers slagging off the masses as 'too fick' again - Surelynot? 

 

If you don't enjoy your bouts of high blood pressure and sleepless nights, because those people are now getting their democratic right to the Brexit they voted for, then don't read those mass circulation papers. Brexit and No Deal will happen anyway. The minimal circulation lefty Garuniad will keep moaning all about it for you, but only as long as they can manage to stay in business.

[RayC]

7 hours ago, kamahele said:

The UK has been playing the blame game now for years. I guess its not nice to be on the receiving end for a change

So two wrongs make a right? It is fairly obvious from my other posts that I am no supporter of Brexit but - so far as the issue of fishing rights are concerned - it appears to me that the EU are the ones digging in their heels.

[RayC]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

Maybe he doesn't know yet.

Don't you think that this is a major oversight and is simply another example of the lack of preparation by the UK for these negotiations?

 

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

But a reason for that may be that we weren't allowed to even talk to anyone else about FTAs before this year. Another EU demand that should have been given the finger.

That is because we were members of the EU and it would need Treaty change to allow this to happen.

 

Rather than the EU being unreasonable, this is another example of the UK expecting the EU to rewrite Treaties, Regulations and Directives for the benefit of the UK when it is no longer a member. 

[RayC]

59 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I don't see why we've spent so long doing this dance with the EU anyway. Maybe it's because they are the one's who kept us on the hook with a transition period because they needed our ongoing contributions and thought they could continue trying to fool us into a BRINO. Well that's not happening.

And you honestly believe that the UK was in a position to leave the EU on 31 January this year?

 

We are not remotedly prepared to exit transition on 31 December, but due to the bone-headed stubborness of Johnson that is what we will do. Who needs planning, eh?

[david555]

56 minutes ago, Estrada said:

But Boris said that he had an oven ready deal... Must have left it in his fridge and it got frozen.

 

It was a Soufflé and it collapsed ???? ..... he is not used to French cooking by himself  …. ???? 

Under his failure Soufflé you can see the correct one ….

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I have to admit I never looked at The Telegraph, The Sun, Mirror, etc. 

Somehow I don't think I missed anything important.

So basically you live life in an echo chamber...

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, Estrada said:

But Boris said that he had an oven ready deal... Must have left it in his fridge and it got frozen.

 

Boris was referring to the Withdrawal Agreement. That is done and dusted. This topic is about future trading arrangements. 

[Scott Tracy]

Why don't these people just shut their mouths? Are they part of the negotiating team? No. 

 

UK and EU politicians and ex-politicians are all the same when it comes to this. Big mouth, no information. Let the negotiators get on with it and stop putting pressure on them.  

 

Each negotiating team has their input, some will be deal breakers, we must accept that. Fishing rights, for one thing, level playing field and freedom of movement, equivalent safety standards are others.

 

Just shut the <deleted> up and let them do their jobs. They don't need grandstanding idiots from either side gainsaying them. A certain Belgian ex Prime Monster springs to my mind....