Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, saying his life was likely in danger

[Heppinger]

30 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

What does that have to do with shooting unarmed people? As for how to explain it, densely population housing developments where gangs are rampant and violence is glorified. That is no excuse for police to kill unarmed people. 

I'm a white guy, but I grew up in poor neighborhoods with plenty of gangs in L.A.. The police treat people as the enemy. As a kid growing up the police are constantly stopping you for no reason. Searching you. Trying to pin crimes on you. That causes people in the neighborhoods to have a strong distrust for police. Growing up in those neighborhoods crime is a way of life for a lot of people, no doubt. There's a ton of it. But the police definitely do not help the situation with how they treat people. 

And how did you protect yourself?  Did you seek safety in numbers with other whites?  how were you treated by blacks?  or south Americans?  were these gangs drawn up mainly on racial lines? did they allow you to be one of them?

[jcsmith]

1 minute ago, DBath said:

Hey stupid, news flash: I did grow up in one of those neighborhoods and I had my share of run-ins with law enforcement. People like to make excuses. 

Yes, they do. Like making excuses for choking an unarmed person to death. Or justifying shooting unarmed people...

[Logosone]

25 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

I'm staring at their database right now. And the numbers you posted are not correct. See for yourself:

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/
 

Fatal Shootings of Unarmed Victims Since 2015:
 

356 Total unarmed persons have killed  shot by police
146 of those were white
125 were black
63 were hispanic 

And in response the numbers for 2019 only since that is what you claimed:

55 Total unarmed killings 
25 Whites
14 Blacks
11 Hispanics

And if you want to extend that to 2020 so far:

28 Total Unarmed Killings
11 White
9 Black
3 Hispanic
 

Now as a reminder the population of black Americans is 13% as compared to 60% of Whites and a shade under 17% of hispanics. 
 

 

As a reminder, Blacks, being 13% of the population comitt 53% of homicides and around 60% of robberies, so they clearly have more encounters with police since they account for more than 4 times the homicide offences and more than 4 times the robberies. 

 

It is thus completely unsurprising and to be expected that blacks are shot to a percentage greater than 13% since they committ a lot more than 13% of homicides (53%) and robberies (60%) and thus have more encounters with police.

 

Of course part of the problem is that people like BLM fan the flames of hatred.

 

An FBI report released in 2017 found that attacks on police in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and Dallas, Texas were influenced by the Black Lives Matter movement, with 28 pe rcent of those who used deadly force against police officers motivated by a hatred of police. An unclassified FBI study following the Dallas cop-killing spree of 2016 that left 5 officers shot dead reported departments and individual officers increasingly taking the decision to stop proactive policing amid concerns that anti-police defiance fueled in part by movements like Black Lives Matter had become the “new norm.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/12/make-no-mistake-blm-radical-neo-marxist-political-movement/

 

As for the Washington database they've obviously added incidents since the Wall Street reporter wrote his piece, but they added 6 victims for whites and 5 for blacks so it makes virtually no difference. Whether it's 9 or 14, given over 7400 black victims of black on black homicides those figures represent 0.1% of the total black homicide victims. How that becomes the issue rather than black on black crime only BLM will know.

[DBath]

38 minutes ago, Heppinger said:

Did the cars get destroyed? 

Not sure. A recent CNN pic showed several cars destroyed. This by itself is surprising, but not sure if it’s related to Kenosha. 

[simple1]

7 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Lol, is it appropriate for Marxist BLM activists to pre-judge and pronounce the police guilty the second it appears on social media, but for the president to tweet the rap sheet of a man on whom a warrant was out, who had attacked a woman in her home and stole her car and keys, who had prior altercations with police and weapon charges to his name, well, obviously the President committed a mortal crime here.

 

Mustn't speak while the BLM mob is screaming "racist", especially if you're the President. Yah, makes total sense.

You're saying a president behaving in similar manner as street level social media is OK? - trump has dragged the reputation of the Office of the Presidency into the gutter.

[2 is 1]

What next, he has seen ET! Then say" was really wonderful person" ! Also love me! Me Me Me! Im most great he also say!

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by 2 is 1

[DBath]

7 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

Yes, they do. Like making excuses for choking an unarmed person to death. Or justifying shooting unarmed people...

They were not unarmed, read it again. And maybe watch the video and try to put yourself in that young mans shoes. Also, all three were convicted felons. NICE!!!

[Logosone]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You're saying a president behaving in similar manner as street level social media is OK? - trump has dragged the reputation of the Office of the Presidency into the gutter.

If social media is the gutter and tweeting the truth is the gutter, I guess Trump is in the gutter.

 

If you think BLM fanning the flames of hatred against police though is okay, whether it's on social media or on the street, and defending a man who had attacked a woman in her home and stolen her car is okay I guess we just have different definitions of "gutter".

[riclag]

7 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

If the kid was about to get attacked and potentially killed , you can forgive him for shooting in self defence 

Agree

"A man carrying a skateboard and later identified as Anthony Huber, 26, of Silver Lake, then approached Rittenhouse as he was still on his back, prosecutors wrote. Huber reached for the gun as the skateboard hit Rittenhouse's shoulder before the alleged gunman fired one shot, and Huber staggered away and collapsed, prosecutors alleged.

 "Huber's death is the source of the murder charge".

https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/nation/kenosha-chief-defends-police-action-in-letting-kyle-rittenhouse-leave-scene-of-deadly-shooting/article_f70e0c32-da49-50eb-8afb-29420e2f1645.html

Edited September 1, 2020 by riclag

[DBath]

28 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Better yet...don't beat your wife/partner and there won't be an outstanding warrant for your arrest in the first place.

Blacks commit more violent crimes than whitey. What does that tell you?

[Heppinger]

7 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You're saying a president behaving in similar manner as street level social media is OK? - trump has dragged the reputation of the Office of the Presidency into the gutter.

While this is true trump is a financial and social degenerate as is hillary, nancy, the lot of them. (I despise the left/right paradigm)   Trump is an amateur in the business of (lives ruined) sector.  Iraq had over 1 million children dead following the US invasion.   Obama dropped more ordinance than Bush and Clinton combined.  Americas destructuion is inevitable because the vast majority of citizens can not even identify their enemy or the tactics they use.

[DBath]

12 minutes ago, riclag said:

Agree

"A man carrying a skateboard and later identified as Anthony Huber, 26, of Silver Lake, then approached Rittenhouse as he was still on his back, prosecutors wrote. Huber reached for the gun as the skateboard hit Rittenhouse's shoulder before the alleged gunman fired one shot, and Huber staggered away and collapsed, prosecutors alleged.

 Huber's death is the source of the murder charge".

https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/nation/kenosha-chief-defends-police-action-in-letting-kyle-rittenhouse-leave-scene-of-deadly-shooting/article_f70e0c32-da49-50eb-8afb-29420e2f1645.html

It’s called SELF DEFENSE

[jcsmith]

29 minutes ago, Heppinger said:

And how did you protect yourself?  Did you seek safety in numbers with other whites?  how were you treated by blacks?  or south Americans?  were these gangs drawn up mainly on racial lines? did they allow you to be one of them?

As a kid half of my friends were black. Gangs were a mix. Crips and bloods (which there are many variations of) were mostly black but there were white and mexican crips and bloods as well. Mexicans mostly had their own gangs. There were really no white gangs but there were white guys in gangs. Every hood had allies and enemies. When you'd run into people on the street they'd ask you where you were from, and the answer you gave would determine how it was going to go. As a white guy in those neighborhoods I was mostly accepted. Though people did often assume that white guys were soft since they were often goth or stoners. You just toughen up. So often when we did get hit up people would go after me first. 

What I think people don't get about gangs is that it isn't a conscious decision really. How it happens is that you grow up and the older kids, like your uncles, or cousins, or friends brothers or relatives, you look up to them. They have your back, and you don't even realize as a kid that many of them are in gangs. You don't understand the whole concept. But then when you get into your teens your friends start dying or taking bad beatings. Going to jail. As that happens you just develop a hatred for other people. You blame them and nobody talks to the cops. Any justice is street justice but that is normalized. You also realize that if people ask you where your from and you dodge that question that is a sign of weakness. People wind up in gangs without ever getting jumped in a lot of times. You are there, you are guilty by association automatically, and you just become that. And for young boys you are trying to show that you are a man. But the decisions you make at those ages can ruin your life. Not to mention decisions that you don't make just because of where you live.

 

I'll share a story from when I was 17. This is actually what caused me to join the Navy. I wanted to join already but my mom wouldn't sign the papers and I was still a minor. One night I'm drinking with two friends on the steps in our neighborhood, near a bridge over the riverbed. We're just sitting there not bothering anyone, and a pizza delivery guy comes to the apartments there. Goes in, comes out still with his pizza. Which seemed odd. Then he goes into his car, hops out the other side of the door with a gun and cop cars swoop from all sides. We're on the steps and now we're arrested with like 4 cop cars around us, all the neighbors looking at us with what looks like some type of a sting operation. Apparently they were trying to catch some people who had jacked the pizza man there a few times. But whoever planned on doing it didn't do it probably because they saw us there. The police had this operation set up and the suspects of the previous incidents were two black males around the right age as my two friends. They threw us in jail and tried to pin 4 cases of armed robbery on us. Each of those has a mandatory 10 years. They said we were armed with 40 ounces. The cop said that as he was leaving the house that we circled him and one of us raised the 40 to hit him and he couldn't wait any longer and pulled his gun. And they were trying to pin the previous incidents on us as well. Thankfully the charges got dropped because the cop lied and said we were circling and coming after him but stumbled in his lies and admitted that we froze and nobody tried to escape. But we were arrested on the steps, about 20 yard from his car so that couldn't have been the case. But if that hadn't come out, I probably would have spent a large part of my adult like in prison for no reason other than drinking a beer with two friends a block from our homes. 

After that my mom signed my papers and I went into the navy which changed my life. The crazy thing is  that was all I really knew. I thought it was like that everyplace. Then I spent the next few years undoing the tendencies I had built up. To want to fight any time challenged. To judge people by perceived weakness. 

Now certainly I don't disagree with DBath that people can get out of those situations. But it's an uphill climb. You have to get out of the area and that is hard for a lot of people because everyone they know is there. It's not surprising that there are more crimes in these neighborhoods. Those crimes shouldn't just be given a pass. But people also need to understand the context. There are a lot of decent people who just get caught up for whatever reason. But the worst your circumstances the harder it is to find your way out of them.

Now I do realize my personal life is inconsequential here. But I did want to share my perspective. I wish there were easy solutions for these problems but they are complex issues and all you can really ask for is a progression where things are improving a little bit over a long time.

Edited September 1, 2020 by jcsmith

[DBath]

21 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You're saying a president behaving in similar manner as street level social media is OK? - trump has dragged the reputation of the Office of the Presidency into the gutter.

So, that makes the radical left behavior alright?? Please enlighten us. 

[simple1]

2 minutes ago, DBath said:

So, that makes the radical left behavior alright?? Please enlighten us. 

try again - your logic is way out of kilter

 

[riclag]

6 minutes ago, DBath said:

It’s called SELF DEFENSE

No disputes with me the optics(videos) are conclusive 

[Throatwobbler]

6 hours ago, JensenZ said:

That's right. The rioters are a few people making a lot of noise. There is absolutely no way to reason with these people. They are just waiting for any excuse to riot, loot and burn. Trying to appeal to them (heal them as some suggest) is a waste of time. You cannot reason with human trash.

Human trash? You mean Trump supporters.

[Throatwobbler]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

Good observation

This is why Kyle wasn't charged with that first confrontation! 

 

So who fired those shots

Kyle is a murderer plain and simple. People trying to defend him are scum. 

[Tug]

21 minutes ago, riclag said:

Agree

"A man carrying a skateboard and later identified as Anthony Huber, 26, of Silver Lake, then approached Rittenhouse as he was still on his back, prosecutors wrote. Huber reached for the gun as the skateboard hit Rittenhouse's shoulder before the alleged gunman fired one shot, and Huber staggered away and collapsed, prosecutors alleged.

 Huber's death is the source of the murder charge".

https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/nation/kenosha-chief-defends-police-action-in-letting-kyle-rittenhouse-leave-scene-of-deadly-shooting/article_f70e0c32-da49-50eb-8afb-29420e2f1645.html

Nope there are laws against vigilante justice the murdering punk had no business going to someone else town to play bulley to bad 2 died he should have been caught and had the you know what beat out of him before the evel little punk had a chance to kill someone now we have the scofflaw President sticking up for him just pathetic and talk about fanning flames beggers belief 

[wwest5829]

7 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

All the evidence I have seen shows Kyle acted in self defence. No idea where people get the terrorist murderer white supremacist gun smuggler narrative from, was it from Congresswoman Pressley's twitter feed? I know she claimed this without a shred of evidence. Kyle's lawyer, Lin Wood of Covington fake news MAGA kid fame, is suing all and sundry for defamation for making up a very silly and false narrative. 

 People should probably wait for more evidence and clarity before rushing to defame a minor.

So, you are saying the police charge of murder is without evidence? That is the way you understand the law system works in the US? Then there must, indeed, be an issue with injustice ...

[Logosone]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

Good observation

This is why Kyle wasn't charged with that first confrontation! 

 

So who fired those shots

It's not clear who it was, but someone can be seen about 30 metres away from the parking lot firing, but more importantly the shot can be heard, it's a clear spike in the audio. So the first shot came from someone not on the parking lot, who was not Kyle Rittenhouse. That shot, or some other reason, caused someone in a black hood to attack Rittenhouse who in panic shoots his weapon six times. He then runs away and is attacked in that footage shown everywhere. 

 

However, check out the link above, it gives the first shot in the parking lot, which most other videos do not show, and is an excellent analysis.

 

Clearly Trump was absolutely right, Rittenhouse's life was in danger and he defended himself. The first shot that was fired was clearly not by Rittenhouse.

[Pilotman]

3 hours ago, DBath said:

...”the rate of fatal police shootingsamong Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of August 2020.” That’s pretty much in line with the disproportionately greater amount of crimes committed by blacks. 

and what is the disproportional poverty index for African Americans against whites?  You reap what you sow. 

[Logosone]

3 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

Kyle is a murderer plain and simple. People trying to defend him are scum. 

You are absolutely wrong. You are defaming an innocent man who defended himself.

 

Look at the footage above, someone attacked Rittenhouse in the parking lot, he shot to defend himself, then ran off and is again attacked by a mob.

 

On the above video analysis it is very clear that the first shot was fired a long way away from Rittenhouse. You can see the orange flash of the rifle and the audio confirms there was a shot by someone far away from the parking lot. That is then immediately followed by an attack on Rittenhouse who shoots six times to defend himself and takes off running.

 

Rittenhouse is completely innocent. Trump was right to defend him, his life was clearly in danger.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

I would prefer to have Police brutality, rather than mob rule on the streets 

The former lead to the latter.

[simple1]

21 minutes ago, Logosone said:

If social media is the gutter and tweeting the truth is the gutter, I guess Trump is in the gutter.

 

If you think BLM fanning the flames of hatred against police though is okay, whether it's on social media or on the street, and defending a man who had attacked a woman in her home and stolen her car is okay I guess we just have different definitions of "gutter".

If social media is the gutter and tweeting the truth is the gutter, I guess Trump is in the gutter. 

 

Find it a real stretch social media represents 'truth'. I do agree trump represents gutter politics.

 

Your second paragraph personal comment is assumptive, without merit. Haven't read of anyone defending the guy's criminal record.

[Heppinger]

21 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

AWhat I think people don't get about gangs is that it isn't a conscious decision really. How it happens is that you grow up and the older kids, like your uncles, or cousins, or friends brothers or relatives, you look up to them. They have your back, and you don't even realize as a kid that many of them are in gangs. You don't understand the whole concept. But then when you get into your teens your friends start dying or taking bad beatings. Going to jail. As that happens you just develop a hatred for other people. You blame them and nobody talks to the cops. You also realize that if people ask you where your from and you dodge that question that is a sign of weakness. People wind up in gangs without ever getting jumped in a lot of times. You are there, you are guilty by association automatically, and you just become that. And for young boys you are trying to show that you are a man. But the decisions you make at those ages can ruin your life. Not to mention decisions that you don't make just because of where you live.

Your making excuses for poor behavior, in my opinion raising children in these environments is child abuse, a healthier alternative would be living in a caravan in a rural setting among'st peacfull, family orientated people.  The roots of this go back to the introduction of welfare, degenerate entertainment, the removal of father figures from the household, feminism and people to weak to break the cycle through hard work.  I grew up in a low socio-economic area of rural Australia, my father left school and was working full time as a brickies laborer at 14, ruined his body and died at 55 from asbestos poisoning. why?  To put his 4 children through University, I find it insulting when people spew terms like white privilege and other <deleted>.  The truth is they don't have the guts to do what my father did so they <deleted> and moan about injustice.  These people are crying about playing x-box and smoking dope, try getting up at 4am fruit picking and laboring on Saturday and Sunday at 12 years of age like i did.  You did well for your self breaking the cycle, well done, a true man.  but don't make excuses for the people who should have been looking after you.

Edited September 1, 2020 by Heppinger

[Pilotman]

26 minutes ago, DBath said:

Blacks commit more violent crimes than whitey. What does that tell you?

It tells me that there is a lot more abject poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity and discrimination among African Americans than whites.  

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The former lead to the latter.

Naturally ...........always someone elses fault 

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

 

Rittenhouse is completely innocent. Trump was right to defend him, his life was clearly in danger.

And if they ever make a *Son of Rambo* film........................ *They drew first blood*

[Pilotman]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

I just watched it . 

The kid was on his own , surrounded by a baying mob, one kicked him to the ground and tried to snatch his gun from him, the kid opened fire and the baying mob dispersed .

   The kid would have been in big danger had he not made the mob run away

why was he there in the first place and with a gun? Hardly the action of an innocent bystander. 

Edited September 1, 2020 by Pilotman