UK minister surprised by Scottish independence referendum move

[3NUMBAS]

SNP chief told independent Scotland would face debt higher than GREECE in 2008 crisis

THE SNP's Finance Secretary Katie Forbes faced a significant blow when she was questioned on Scotland's deficit if the country were to become independent.

By Claire Anderson

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1330957/SNP-news-katie

[CG1 Blue]

On 9/3/2020 at 8:11 AM, Rookiescot said:

Why is this a surprise to anyone?

Brexiteers were warned during the referendum that voting leave could cause the break up of the UK.

They chose to ignore those warnings.

Now its happening and its coming as a shock?

You got what you voted for.

I find it odd that you seem to think Brexiteers are concerned about Scottish independence. For me personally, I'd prefer Scotland to remain in the union, but if they don't I won't lose any sleep over it. I certainly wouldn't have wanted us to stay in the EU just to appease Scots Indys! 

[kingdong]

36 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

SNP chief told independent Scotland would face debt higher than GREECE in 2008 crisis

THE SNP's Finance Secretary Katie Forbes faced a significant blow when she was questioned on Scotland's deficit if the country were to become independent.

By Claire Anderson

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1330957/SNP-news-katie

the scotch nationalists aren't looking that far down the road.they seem to think the eu,s going to welcome them with open arms.

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, kingdong said:

the scotch nationalists aren't looking that far down the road.they seem to think the eu,s going to welcome them with open arms.

Hmmmm who to believe?

The Express or the people of Scotland?

The last five polls have shown a majority in Scotland support independence but the Express will shine a light and show us the error of their ways.

Aye OK.

[evadgib]

36 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I find it odd that you seem to think Brexiteers are concerned about Scottish independence. For me personally, I'd prefer Scotland to remain in the union, but if they don't I won't lose any sleep over it. I certainly wouldn't have wanted us to stay in the EU just to appease Scots Indys! 

I pointed out a couple of years ago that they had woken a sleeping bear, but on that occasion I was referring to r-r-remainers...

 

Topical link from HMG released today:

Review of electoral regulation: written evidence

Edited September 4, 2020 by evadgib

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Hmmmm who to believe?

The Express or the people of Scotland?

The last five polls have shown a majority in Scotland support independence but the Express will shine a light and show us the error of their ways.

Aye OK.

i used to work for the express but don,t buy it as its a <deleted> paper like the guardian,if you want independence have it,but don,t start whingeing and blaming Britain when it all go,es tits up,at this moment in time you,re playing right into the eus hands weakening our negotiating chances still i suppose why should you care if you live elsewhere.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I pointed out a couple of years ago that they had woken a sleeping bear, but on that occasion I was referring to r-r-remainers...

A sleeping bear?

????

You seriously think anyone really gives two hoots about what the UK wants?

Honestly? A small fish in a very big pond with many sharks around.

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

i used to work for the express but don,t buy it as its a <deleted> paper like the guardian,if you want independence have it,but don,t start whingeing and blaming Britain when it all go,es tits up,at this moment in time you,re playing right into the eus hands weakening our negotiating chances still i suppose why should you care if you live elsewhere.

Oh so the fact Brexit is a nightmare is because of the Scots?

Surely you factored that in given you knew what you were voting for.

[pacovl46]

On 9/3/2020 at 1:47 AM, goldenbrwn1 said:

Ooooohhhhhh scary. Ex pat Scots are funny.  

I’m neither an expat nor a Scot...

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, nauseus said:

You said that Bojo won brexit. He didn't. He was just PM when we actually left.

 

The referendum was just as legal as the one in 1975 and so was the result. Nothing to do with any  contract with the EU.

 

Have a good flight.

 

If you have convinced yourself that in the 7 months prior to the UK leaving the EU he had no part to play in the legally binding contract with the EU then that is up to you.

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, nauseus said:

What I really think is that you are veering off track so far you are about to overtake yourself. Why not stick to the point at hand and answer the question?

I did answer your question, if you fail to understand the answer the difference between referendum and parliamentary election not a lot can be said.

[sandyf]

12 hours ago, kingdong said:

the scotch nationalists aren't looking that far down the road.they seem to think the eu,s going to welcome them with open arms.

The narrow minded perspective, the open minded would see how far down the road they are looking so future generations are entirely free to make their own decisions, not forced along by Westminster.

Kosovo in 2008 made a UDI, which was supported by the UK, and are now a potential candidate for EU membership. Scotland is already aligned with the EU so unlikely the timeframe will be so long. Most candidates are held up by infrastructure improvements, something that would not apply to Scotland.

[JonnyF]

22 hours ago, androokery said:

Hey the Union Jack would have to be changed. 

That’s the only negative I can see of Scotland leaving.

 

its gonna cost me a fortune to replace all my swimming shorts, towels, boxers etc.

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

That’s the only negative I can see of Scotland leaving.

 

its gonna cost me a fortune to replace all my swimming shorts, towels, boxers etc.

They only have the cross of St George on them anyway.

[JonnyF]

17 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

They only have the cross of St George on them anyway.

They're the ones for special occasions.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

If you have convinced yourself that in the 7 months prior to the UK leaving the EU he had no part to play in the legally binding contract with the EU then that is up to you.

I thought we were talking about who won Brexit and it wasn't Boris. The WA is just a product of leaving. 

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

I did answer your question, if you fail to understand the answer the difference between referendum and parliamentary election not a lot can be said.

No you didn't. If Scottish independence was so favoured as recently as 6 years ago then why didn't you vote for it then? 

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

No you didn't. If Scottish independence was so favoured as recently as 6 years ago then why didn't you vote for it then? 

There is not a simple, one line answer to that question.

 

The majority of people born in Scotland voted for independence in the referendum. However the majority of people born outside Scotland voted to keep it within the UK. This was sufficient to thwart the dreams of independence supporters.

 

This result was, in large part, because of one of the themes of Operation Fear, which was that independence would see Scotland out of the EU and therefore EU nationals would no longer benefit living and working in an EU state. 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

There is not a simple, one line answer to that question.

 

The majority of people born in Scotland voted for independence in the referendum. However the majority of people born outside Scotland voted to keep it within the UK. This was sufficient to thwart the dreams of independence supporters.

 

This result was, in large part, because of one of the themes of Operation Fear, which was that independence would see Scotland out of the EU and therefore EU nationals would no longer benefit living and working in an EU state. 

Operation Fear? Where did that come from? Whatever. Never mind.

 

It seems to me that the entitlement to vote criteria in 2014 were entirely engineered to get a Yes to satisfy the SNP dream. That EU nationals (probably temporarily) resident in Scotland could vote, when trueborn Scot (also probably temporarily) expats could not, is the grossest example of this. Shameful and sad.

[kingdong]

23 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Oh so the fact Brexit is a nightmare is because of the Scots?

Surely you factored that in given you knew what you were voting for.

i was referring to the renewed <deleted> stirring regarding scottish independence when the uk is entering a crucial time in negotiations regarding the uks leaving,so basically you want scotland to leave and while the ink isn,t dry on the treatie jump into bed with eu?

[RuamRudy]

16 minutes ago, kingdong said:

i was referring to the renewed <deleted> stirring regarding scottish independence when the uk is entering a crucial time in negotiations regarding the uks leaving,so basically you want scotland to leave and while the ink isn,t dry on the treatie jump into bed with eu?

yes

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

i was referring to the renewed <deleted> stirring regarding scottish independence when the uk is entering a crucial time in negotiations regarding the uks leaving,so basically you want scotland to leave and while the ink isn,t dry on the treatie jump into bed with eu?

That'll take YEARS & in the meantime others will have followed our lead...

[kingdong]

5 hours ago, evadgib said:

That'll take YEARS & in the meantime others will have followed our lead...

can you honestly see there being an eu in years?its going to collapse,and theres scotland wanting to go down with a sinking ship.

[Chelseafan]

On 9/3/2020 at 5:11 AM, soalbundy said:

Britain is leaving the EU and Scotland is leaving eu

 

I thought the United Kindom was leaving the EU ?

 

[RuamRudy]

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

can you honestly see there being an eu in years?its going to collapse,and theres scotland wanting to go down with a sinking ship.

Since 2015 TVF has been awash with 'experts' predicting the imminent demise of the EU. It hasn't happened yet. 

 

But Scotland is already shackled to a rapidly sinking ship - we need to get out fast before it takes us down with it. Whether we choose to pursue an equal partnership in the EU is for us to decide. 

[Rookiescot]

14 hours ago, kingdong said:

i was referring to the renewed <deleted> stirring regarding scottish independence when the uk is entering a crucial time in negotiations regarding the uks leaving,so basically you want scotland to leave and while the ink isn,t dry on the treatie jump into bed with eu?

You were warned that voting to leave the EU would result in a resurgence of calls for Scottish independence.

You went ahead and did it anyway.

No point crying foul play if you knew the rules going into the game.

 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You were warned that voting to leave the EU would result in a resurgence of calls for Scottish independence.

You went ahead and did it anyway.

No point crying foul play if you knew the rules going into the game.

 

I don't think leavers were the slightest bit interested in Sturgeons goals . Most know she just has an agenda, if Scotland was going down the pan she would still be beating her shield....????

[Bruntoid]

On 9/3/2020 at 7:30 AM, kingdong said:

and if you do get your wish and your independence,don,t come whingeing back when the eu wants handouts from you like they did from the uk,you kak your bed and you lay in it.and by the way its sown not sewn.

Wow, grammar lessons being advised in a paragraph strewn with grammatical disasters !! 

[Bruntoid]

8 hours ago, kingdong said:

can you honestly see there being an eu in years?its going to collapse,and theres scotland wanting to go down with a sinking ship.

It has a GDP over 6 times the size of the U.K. - who would you say is more likely to survive ? 
 

Take your time .....

[JonnyF]

14 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

yes

I’m happy to see you have admitted it.

 

The Scots don’t want independence they want to be ruled by the Franco German alliance that is the EU instead of being ruled by England.

 

They know they are way too insignificant to ever be truly independent. They are just highlighting which teet is more palatable to their historically bitter population. 

Many of us will be glad to see the back of you. Myself included. The fact that the EU will be saddled with you is the icing on the cake. The idea that this is a negative outcome from Brexit is laughable to most of us.