Why is Thailand not on the UK safe list?

[Tapster]

With its enviable record of no new cases of COVID for weeks now, Thailand is still not on the list of countries from which the UK doesn't require 14 days of isolation on arrival. 

 

Why is this? 

[dimitriv]

Do you believe the Thai numbers?   WIth Covid in all countries around Thailand and illegal immigrants looking for work crossing the borders into Thailand it is unlikely that there is no Covid here.

 

 

[ezzra]

despite a 100 days with no covid infection, it seems that Thailand is on no country list as a green country, could it be that they don't trust the Thai government to publish the true figures?...

[SteveK]

They've hardly done any testing hence the unbelievably low figures. I'm sure the bods in the UK know this. The numbers might be genuine but if they're doing 100 times less testing than the UK or USA, they're meaningless.

[Surelynot]

7 minutes ago, SteveK said:

They've hardly done any testing hence the unbelievably low figures. I'm sure the bods in the UK know this. The numbers might be genuine but if they're doing 100 times less testing than the UK or USA, they're meaningless.

That is what I have also read in the UK newspapers (not the Mail and Express...proper newspapers)

[Keyser Soze666]

Because in the real civilised world Thailand is not taken seriously by gov's, and rightly so.

[Deserted]

When did they last update their website? Are there recent examples of people returning from Thailand and not being asked to quarantine?

[Yinn]

Thailand not want UK tourist now. UK have 45,000+ dead. 

Very high death rate. 15%+

UK not control covid. 

 

When control covid UK and other Europe be welcome to Thailand same before. 

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1180653-pm-foreign-tourists-not-welcome-yet/

 

Good luck.

[SteveK]

2 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Thailand not want UK tourist now. UK have 45,000+ dead. 

Very high death rate. 15%+

UK not control covid. 

 

When control covid UK and other Europe be welcome to Thailand same before. 

 

Good luck.

So do you think that Thailand has done very well? Or that the figures are a load of old guff?

[Yinn]

Just now, SteveK said:

So do you think that Thailand has done very well? Or that the figures are a load of old guff?

Yes Thailand has done very well. 

In Ranong, we have ZERO cases. 

 

I am suspicios of UK figures. 15% death rate about 5 times normal.

 

IMO must be 

1)health care not effective in UK.

 OR 

2) have many more than 337,000 infection. 40,000 death to high for only 337,000 infection people. Probably not test enough. 

 

*I know about UK not test or help old people. Send positive old man and lady to “care home” and spread so much. 

That some of the reason.

 

Care homes across the UK accepted patients who tested positive for Covid-19, two surveys have showed, and could have been pressed into doing so.  

 

Separate research from the Queen’s Nursing Institute charity, carried out in May and June and published yesterday, found a fifth (21%) of 163 UK care homes received positive Covid-19 patients from hospital.

 

Very stupid do that. 

Link 

http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/clinical/clinical-specialties/elderly-care/care-homes-pushed-into-accepting-covid-positive-patients/20041423.article

[phetchy]

I would imagine that many countries have many ways of compiling cases/deaths statistics making comparisons deceptive.  Being such an implausibly low total of deaths (currently 58), I wouldn't be surprised if that number of people is solely those who have died in hospital and were confirmed as having the virus.  There must be hundreds of unreported deaths in rural parts of the country which were due to Covid-19.  Someone dies in a village, within days they are cremated and without an autopsy, no-one is any the wiser as to the cause of death.  An assumption that probably plays a part in the decision of many countries to restrict entries from Thailand.  

[SteveK]

17 minutes ago, phetchy said:

I would imagine that many countries have many ways of compiling cases/deaths statistics making comparisons deceptive.  Being such an implausibly low total of deaths (currently 58), I wouldn't be surprised if that number of people is solely those who have died in hospital and were confirmed as having the virus.  There must be hundreds of unreported deaths in rural parts of the country which were due to Covid-19.  Someone dies in a village, within days they are cremated and without an autopsy, no-one is any the wiser as to the cause of death.  An assumption that probably plays a part in the decision of many countries to restrict entries from Thailand.  

58 is laughable, especially for a country so popular with Chinese tourists. But as I said, if they only had 58 test kits, it would make sense.

 

I think the figures are high in the UK because they are actually testing thousands of people a day, so are finding a lot more cases with many being asymptomatic, and are actually reporting the figures honestly. No such thing as face in the UK.

[johng]

5 minutes ago, Yinn said:

I am suspicios of UK figures. 15% death rate about 5 times normal.

I'm suspicious too  maybe they  will eventually make an announcement like this.

 

Quote

ATLANTA, Ga. (WJW) — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new data last week that depicts how many Americans who have died from COVID-19 also had underlying medical conditions.

 

According to the report, only 6% of deaths have  COVID-19  as the only cause mentioned, revealing that 94% of patients who died from coronavirus also had underlying health conditions

 

[Surelynot]

11 minutes ago, SteveK said:

being honest is more important

5555

[Flying Saucage]

33 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Thailand not want UK tourist now. UK have 45,000+ dead. 

Very high death rate. 15%+

UK not control covid. 

 

When control covid UK and other Europe be welcome to Thailand same before. 

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1180653-pm-foreign-tourists-not-welcome-yet/

 

Good luck.

Yinn, exactly this table is what I meant when I asked you to better look for current situation and not for what happened 6 month ago! Try to read such a table with more common sense, please!

 

You always refer to the total deaths, which is a summation of all deaths from February till today. Are you aware what really happened in March/April in Europe, and how the situation in Europe is today?

 

In March and April, it was still winter time in Europe, and in Wuhan and Korea also. This is something you don't have in Thailand. It was cold outside, the windows were closed, and this lead to a high concentration of contaminated aerosoles in the air inside. In Thailand, it is always hot, so the windows are either open, or an AC is running which always dries the air and hence reduces the concentration of the aerosoles. Thailand was lucky for having different climatic conditions to Europe, and for the fact that this virus is mainly transmitted by aerosoles rather than smear infection, which the scientists did not know yet during these months.

 

Almost all European countries had fatalties in the 100s or even 1000s during this time around March and April, which was a disaster. But today, if you look at the red column, almost all European countries are in the low 2-digit or 1-digit range. Which is, by the way, much lower than the fatality rate in Thai traffic! Are you afraid to leave your house because you are scared to die in traffic? 

 

Next point is the database of the daily new cases, again the red column. If a country tests 1 million people per week and publishes the results openly and transparently, of course the number become higher. Many asymptomatic cases are tested now in Europe.

 

So, at least you should admit that Europe has other climatic conditions, that the research on the virus and its treatment became much better during the recent months only, and that Europe today has the situation well (yes very well!) under control now due to testing and strict but sensible measures.

 

Let's compare that with Thailand:

 

Of course Thailand has the Covid-crises good under control, I agree on that, and I explained above why. But honestly, do you really trust the official Thai numbers??? I mean, you know your government and how they cover the truths. I have never met any Thai who said he trusts this government. Never! Are you really that different? Do you really believe your government that the Thai data, based on quite a low testing rate and the censoring of the government, are as honest and transparent as the European numbers? Are you sure the Thai numbers today are really better than the UK (3 deaths), Italy (8 deaths) or Germany (here 10 deaths, more accurate 4 deaths on September 2nd)? Are you sure there is no political aganda behind the data published by the government?

 

As Thailand performs very well (see the reasons above), of course also the new cases and the daily deaths are very little. So, of course there is no problem in the hospitals, in the crematories, and also not in the social media. The handful of deaths per day will be classified as everything but Covid, also because there are no post mortem tests in Thailand.

 

Next point to mention regarding the table above: If at all you should refer not only to data of August only, instead of February till August, to get useful knowledge from this table about the situation now. But if you insist on the time interval between February till now, you at least should refer to the second-last and third-last columns instead of the 2. and 4. column. Are you aware that India with 1 billion people, the US with 300 million and Brazil with 200 million should be seen different to smaller countries?

 

I agree that India has problems with it slums, Brazil with its slums, with the vulnerability of its indigenious population and its crazy president, and the US with many Covidiots and Trump. But these are a few countries which still have bigger problems. Most countries have the situation under control quite well now. 

 

So please quote such tables a little bit more sensible! Otherwise most TV members understand this as an insult on their intelligence. At least this is what I feel when I see you using these tables without a sensible reflection.

 

Thank you.

 

PS: As Thailand performs well in the sense as described above, I agree it should be on the UK-safe-list.

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Flying Saucage

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[phetchy]

13 minutes ago, johng said:

I'm suspicious too  maybe they  will eventually make an announcement like this.

ATLANTA, Ga. (WJW) — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new data last week that depicts how many Americans who have died from COVID-19 also had underlying medical conditions.

 

According to the report, only 6% of deaths have  COVID-19  as the only cause mentioned, revealing that 94% of patients who died from coronavirus also had underlying health conditions

 

 

And guess who instantly seized on those stats and proclaimed (with a touch of flawed reasoning as usual) it proves that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid, the rest had other serious illnesses?

 

[RichardColeman]

Thailand reportedly has 550,000 people dying every year. They also reportedly tested all hospital staff - some a number of times. IF they have only done about 800,000 tests - that means they have tested NO members of the public - or a small amount only , or about 0,005% !The alternative is that they have not tested anyone that has died - which is more probable.

 

 

[Yinn]

21 minutes ago, phetchy said:

I would imagine

 

There must be hundreds of unreported deaths in rural parts of the country which were due to Covid-19.  Someone dies in a village, within days they are cremated and without an autopsy, no-one is any the wiser as to the cause of death.  An assumption that probably plays a part in the decision of many countries to restrict entries from Thailand.  

Stupid conspiracy. Imagine.

 

You not quickly die covid peaceful way.

you have terrible symptom. Can not breath, painful.

if someone have the symptoms, family will take them hospital, the family will tell freinds, post social media = everyone will know.

 

 

On rounds in a 20-bed intensive care unit one recent day, physician Joshua Denson assessed two patients with seizures, many with respiratory failure and others whose kidneys were on a dangerous downhill slide. Days earlier, his rounds had been interrupted as his team tried, and failed, to resuscitate a young woman whose heart had stopped. All shared one thing, says Denson, a pulmonary and critical care physician at the Tulane University School of Medicine. “They are all COVID positive.”

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes

 

i think big problem in UK is many believe the stupid conspiracy, anti vax loons, anti maskers, bleach etc.

 

About 3 month ago many conspiracy guys post on TVF “Thailand not have because is hot” 

Europe, USA now have summer and more covid. It another stupid conspiracy naive people believe.

 

the way to control covid is what the doctor say 8 month already. Social distance, wear a mask, wash hands, temperature check etc. Thailand control covid 5 weeks this way. 

Covid is virus, that the way to reduce the virus. 

 

UK very slow, but last month start to reduce. Is good news. But not finish yet. Is not yet time for holiday to Thailand. Just be spread more do that. 

USA, BRazil etc still not follow rules= still terrible situation.

 

Good luck.

 

[Justgrazing]

21 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Yes Thailand has done very well. 

In Ranong, we have ZERO cases. 

 

I am suspicios of UK figures. 15% death rate about 5 times normal.

 

IMO must be 

1)health care not effective in UK.

 OR 

2) have many more than 337,000 infection. 40,000 death to high for only 337,000 infection people. Probably not test enough. 

 

*I know about UK not test or help old people. Send positive old man and lady to “care home” and spread so much. 

That some of the reason.

 

Care homes across the UK accepted patients who tested positive for Covid-19, two surveys have showed, and could have been pressed into doing so.  

 

Separate research from the Queen’s Nursing Institute charity, carried out in May and June and published yesterday, found a fifth (21%) of 163 UK care homes received positive Covid-19 patients from hospital.

 

Very stupid do that. 

Link 

http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/clinical/clinical-specialties/elderly-care/care-homes-pushed-into-accepting-covid-positive-patients/20041423.article

Cobblers that is .. do not try and compress the situation of other countries into a couple of rambling para's that include personal opinion wrapped in quotes from elsewhere if you wish to retain credibility .. Rather than present an inaccurate portrayal of other countries maybe you should start looking more at home as the less than 3000 infected and 58 taken that is proclaimed on an almost daily basis is a source of equal suspicion to many in the real world .. 

 

[farang51]

If the UK does it the same way as we do in Denmark, it has nothing to do with disbelieving the numbers. Any country that demands a quarantine for arrivals cannot make the safe list in Denmark.

I believe we have three criteria: the number of new cases, a quarantine, and uncertainty if people can come back home again.

[phetchy]

4 minutes ago, Yinn said:

 

 if someone have the symptoms, family will take them hospital, the family will tell freinds, post social media = everyone will know......................................

 

 

 

 

They wouldn't in my wife's village.  Medicine, doctors, hospital?  Not a chance!

[SteveK]

12 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Stupid conspiracy. Imagine.

 

You not quickly die covid peaceful way.

you have terrible symptom. Can not breath, painful.

if someone have the symptoms, family will take them hospital, the family will tell freinds, post social media = everyone will know.

 

 

On rounds in a 20-bed intensive care unit one recent day, physician Joshua Denson assessed two patients with seizures, many with respiratory failure and others whose kidneys were on a dangerous downhill slide. Days earlier, his rounds had been interrupted as his team tried, and failed, to resuscitate a young woman whose heart had stopped. All shared one thing, says Denson, a pulmonary and critical care physician at the Tulane University School of Medicine. “They are all COVID positive.”

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes

 

i think big problem in UK is many believe the stupid conspiracy, anti vax loons, anti maskers, bleach etc.

 

About 3 month ago many conspiracy guys post on TVF “Thailand not have because is hot” 

Europe, USA now have summer and more covid. It another stupid conspiracy naive people believe.

 

the way to control covid is what the doctor say 8 month already. Social distance, wear a mask, wash hands, temperature check etc. Thailand control covid 5 weeks this way. 

Covid is virus, that the way to reduce the virus. 

 

UK very slow, but last month start to reduce. Is good news. But not finish yet. Is not yet time for holiday to Thailand. Just be spread more do that. 

USA, BRazil etc still not follow rules= still terrible situation.

 

Good luck.

 

What a complete load of old tosh.

[ThomasThBKK]

Thailand is on the european safe list, the UK is simply being a bunch of dicks, wants to be allowed to travel to thailand in return which thailand doesn't want (obviously).

 

 

That's it, uk is just arrogant as always. 

[Yinn]

23 minutes ago, Flying Saucage said:

Otherwise most TV members understand this as an insult on their intelligence.

Yes, I insult their intelligence. Low intelligence.

Because last 8 months they argue everyday about wear the mask, social distance, ban the alcohol, close the pub, refuse the tracing app, close the tourism, etc etc etc. 

oppose everything the doctor say. Everything.

Lefty and hard right nonsense. 

shake everyone hand in covid hospital, use the bleach, malaria drug, April will disappear, anti vaxxers, etc etc 

Riots, protest, looting, shooting. 

Stupid conspiracys everyday. Unbelievable. 

Close the economy, loose the business, job but wear mask is to difficult. 

Loons

 

The solution is simple..

 

 

[SteveK]

4 minutes ago, Yinn said:

 loose the business 

Classic spelling error common amongst educationally-challenged Brits. Not Thais who've studied English and know the difference between one o and two.

[Pottinger]

Perhaps to do with this?

 

https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2020/08/06/lifting-the-veil-on-thailands-covid-19-success-story/

[ThomasThBKK]

Just now, Pottinger said:

Perhaps to do with this?

 

https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2020/08/06/lifting-the-veil-on-thailands-covid-19-success-story/

 

All rubbish, my friend just traveled from the USA to London Gatwick, they didn't even check his covid test stuff. Just went in... Then he went to Paris, also without getting checked.

 

One must be absolutely braindead to let Americans in but not Thais without quarantine, well, ... 

[richard_smith237]

Covid-19 may have swept through Thailand in Nov, Dec, Jan and Feb.... before Thailand really did anything and before the world started panicking.

 

Once Europe panicked so did Thailand and locked down a Country which had existing immunity, hence the low rates in March, April and onwards. 

 

This can’t be disproven due to a lack of testing. 

Antibody testing (if accurate) could confirm a population with immunity. 

 

An absence of testing offers no confirmation and the country is closing itself off based on a continued assumption.

 

 

[polpott]

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

That is what I have also read in the UK newspapers (not the Mail and Express...proper newspapers)

The reason is that Thailand is on John Hopkins red list. Why? Because it reports every case of Covid found in quarantine which are then added to the figures. A nonsense.

 

The British Embassy needs to make the British Government aware of this anomaly and allow British citizens to return to the UK without the need to quarantine on their return, as is the case for several European countries who have a far bigger problem with Covid than Thailand does.

 

I won't hold my breath.

[sammieuk1]

You only have to look at who's been telling ya there ain't no covid here a bunch of masquerading generals that's who  ????