Should there be an "Intentional Citizen of the World", nationality and passport.

[Pilotman]

I consider myself a 'citizen of the world', although UK born and raised, I have spent little time there and now have no interest in the Country, or its people, bar my kids and extended family.  However, I of course need the UK passport for purely practical reasons. It would be nice to hold a passport that is not affiliated to any particular country.  Maybe a UN Passport, that gives certain rights and privileges of travel,  but that doesn't align you automatically with a particular country or nationality.  As the UK Embassy is a joke and totally useless, so I would not miss their not being available me. I would sign up for that

[malt25]

"Should there be an "Intentional Citizen of the World", nationality and passport."  NO  !

[tonray]

20 hours ago, Pilotman said:

I consider myself a 'citizen of the world'

????????

[BigStar]

21 hours ago, Pilotman said:

I consider myself a 'citizen of the world', although UK born and raised,

No, you can hardly make it as far as Pattaya and can't set foot in in T21. Not cosmopolitan enough, too many "no go" zones. Have to lose some of the remaining UK provincialism. Maybe impossible; you know the old saying, "You can take the Brit out of the council estate, but you can't take the council estate out of the Brit." So better just accept reality.

Edited September 9, 2020 by BigStar

[Thailand]

When travel to Mars ,Venus etc become the norm it could be useful.

 

May even give access to Uranus.

[trucking]

14 hours ago, Thailand said:

When travel to Mars ,Venus etc become the norm it could be useful.

 

May even give access to Uranus.

 

Uranus is not what its cracked up to be.

[utalkin2me]

What is more practical is if a country welcomes people to become citizens one day, and have very small government tax liabilities, who in their right mind would not want to make the change. I am sure the only reason this does not happen is the countries who control everything would not let it happen. 

[Jack Mountain]

I believe that Switserland gives out "state-less" passports. No idea what and what not you can do with it ...

[Guderian]

"If You Believe You are a Citizen of the World, You are a Citizen of Nowhere"

Theresa May, Prime Minister, 2016

 

I guess that tells you what the UK government thinks of the idea, lol.

[rott]

And you live in Rayong.? 

 

Well even a citizen of the world has to live somewhere (to paraphrase Milligan). 

 

Many years ago somebody used to advertise in Private Eye classifieds "Perpetual Traveller" status, but never found out exactly what was on offer. 

[spetersen]

Some people think to much...

[sherwood]

Need to wait for UN Agenda 21 to kick in fully before that can happen, will not be long the way things are shaping up.

[soalbundy]

5 hours ago, trucking said:

 

Uranus is not what its cracked up to be.

Mine is

[Bender Rodriguez]

another dreamer...  farangs here are ethernal tourists, never can be real citizens

[1FinickyOne]

On 9/8/2020 at 10:52 AM, Pilotman said:

I consider myself a 'citizen of the world',

sure, at least that is your intent... at the moment.. but who can judge another's true intent... 

 

not easy on an international basis

[1FinickyOne]

4 hours ago, Jack Mountain said:

I believe that Switserland gives out "state-less" passports. No idea what and what not you can do with it ...

it is not "stated" in the passport?

Edited September 9, 2020 by kenk24

[SymS]

I'd love this but this is not practical. You wouldn't be allowed to work anywhere without a work permit...

Where would you be deported?

[Jack Mountain]

8 minutes ago, kenk24 said:

it is not "stated" in the passport?

Not sure it's accepted everywhere, first step it seems is asking asylum in S. and then, when approved, you can have a state-less passport ...

 

[henry2109]

Citizenship is a 2-way-street: you have right as well as liabilities. All the foreigners in Thailand hardly contribute anything towards their country, right?

 

The OP reminds me a bit of the socalled souvereign citizens in the USA. They make up stories about the magna carta, the constitution, the written or common laws, in order to justify not paying taxes or not having a drivers licence and car insurance. Actually, when you look at them and see their actions, they are just plain idiots and the biggest losers in life.

 

Concerning your comment about the British Embassy: You may be right in that their service could indeed be better. However, a lot of people do unfortunately not know what the widespread tasks of a foreign embassy are. They sometimes think it is the Embassy's job to give loans to the broken countrymen or help to get the criminals fast out of jail or help the nutters without insurance in accidents.

 

NB: In the corona-crisis, my homecountry organised a lot of repatriation flights through the worldwide embassy-net. As this was seen as an emergency, people had to apply for the flight and to commit for the cost. Unfortunately, the majority of costs stayed unpaid afterwards. I can ensure you, if I were in charge, no single passenger would have entered the plane without prior paying his ticket. 

[simon43]

Many years ago somebody used to advertise in Private Eye classifieds "Perpetual Traveller" status, but never found out exactly what was on offer. 

 

It's the '5-flags plan', which I have followed for most of my working life, and which has served me very well.  Basically, you diversify your citizenship passport, workplace, bank accounts etc among different countries, such that you are never considered resident in any one country, are legally not liable to pay tax, are rather 'untraceable' etc.  I have a UK passport, but used to live in Andorra, with my bank accounts in France, taking holidays in Spain, working in Belgium etc.  It confused the hell out of any official or government authorities, who basically left me alone, rather than try to unravel my status.....

 

 

[Pravda]

So, will the OP give up his nanny state pension for the privilege? 

[Tongjaw]

8 hours ago, Thailand said:

When travel to Mars ,Venus etc become the norm it could be useful.

 

May even give access to Uranus.

I think his head is already up there haha 

[oznomad]

I accept THB, gold or silver.

Put you down for one?

 

 

[adammike]

2 hours ago, SymS said:

I'd love this but this is not practical. You wouldn't be allowed to work anywhere without a work permit...

Where would you be deported?

I used to have a sort of world passport untill Brexit. I could travel and work without a permit in at least 27 other countries,no borders as such, it was great.

[PDPA2024]

On 9/8/2020 at 10:52 AM, Pilotman said:

I consider myself a 'citizen of the world', although UK born and raised, I have spent little time there and now have no interest in the Country, or its people, bar my kids and extended family.  However, I of course need the UK passport for purely practical reasons. It would be nice to hold a passport that is not affiliated to any particular country.  Maybe a UN Passport, that gives certain rights and privileges of travel,  but that doesn't align you automatically with a particular country or nationality.  As the UK Embassy is a joke and totally useless, so I would not miss their not being available me. I would sign up for that

OP, it's not possible to get UN laissez-passer, unless you work for a certain international organization. There's no universally recognized "world passport", so the only option to accomplish your goal is to become stateless. I'm not sure if UK allows to renounce your only citizenship, but if you do, you can get a 1954 Convention travel document, which can be used for visa applications. Of course, being stateless, you can forget about visa-exemption entry to most countries ???? 

More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travel_document

 

If you just want a nice trinket: https://worldservice.org/docpass.html

A common scam is to resell this World Passport for hundreds of dollars, claiming it gives you certain rights, but it's not true - acceptance is on case-by-case basis, and it's not recognized by the UN.

[Stevemercer]

I would prefer a 'Citizen of the Universe' passport - valid for any civilised community in the Universe (excepting Earth).

[DekDaeng]

3 hours ago, rott said:

And you live in Rayong.? 

 

Well even a citizen of the world has to live somewhere (to paraphrase Milligan). 

 

Many years ago somebody used to advertise in Private Eye classifieds "Perpetual Traveller" status, but never found out exactly what was on offer. 

Milligan - From Woy Woy ????

 

[Enoon]

"Maybe a UN Passport, that gives certain rights and privileges of travel,  but that doesn't align you automatically with a particular country or nationality." 

 

Anti-nationalist heresy.........burn him.

 

A world in which such alignments were not considered necessary/desirable would have to exist first.

 

Unfortunately an awful lot of people seem to believe they are.........along with religious, linguistic and other invented "alignments".

 

Rivers, mountains, deserts and oceans are natural barriers.

 

The unnatural barriers and borders were all created by humans.

 

One day:

 

 

There are other designs for the flag, but it is my favourite.

 

 

Edited September 9, 2020 by Enoon

[AlfHuy]

3 hours ago, SymS said:

I'd love this but this is not practical. You wouldn't be allowed to work anywhere without a work permit...

Where would you be deported?

Isaan

[Thomas J]

 

Should there be an "Intentional Citizen of the World", nationality and passport

What a great idea.  Every third world person living in squalor would be entitled to citizenship in the countries that have done the most with their countries.  Of course the "new citizens" would be entitled to all the welfare benefits.