American expat charged with defamation after leaving multiple negative reviews online

[hellohello123]

1 hour ago, JensenZ said:

Symptoms can arrive as soon as 30 minutes in some cases.

highly highly unlikely,

 

for those that claim they get sick within 30 mins are usually exaggerating, or its psychological

[metisdead]

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[rott]

16 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Many Countries have laws which stop people attacking Companies/other people

Maxwell abused the English libel laws for years to prevent reports he did not want published. 

[NoshowJones]

On 9/27/2020 at 10:04 AM, madmitch said:

And that is one of the main reaons why the law is so bad and why people can sue for defamation even though the "offender" might be completely right.

 

In most coutries defamation/libel/slander are civil and not criminal cases. You may have to pay damages but there's no chance of jail.

and what if one refuses to pay any damages, he does not own any property, or have much in the bank, how are they going to make him pay?      

Where Thailands concerned, that's another reason to keep the bulk of your money in your home country bank.

Just supposing I was charged with defamation, my house is in my wifes name, my life savings are in my UK bank, how is anyone going to get any money out of me?

[Huckenfell]

On 9/27/2020 at 1:47 AM, pookondee said:

Ive got to agree.

 

The part i find funny is..

the guy hears the boss (supposedly) shouting aggressively at an employee..

 

So he coins the term "modern day slavery" and put it into the review.

 

ummm ok

 

SO..you have a foriegn guy who knows zero Thai language, yet ASSumes the boss is dissing on the employee..

without even knowing whats being said??

 lol

 

The boss could have been venting to his employee about what aรร-หoles the farangs were, for all we know.

 

Unbelievable!

 

Its not uncommon though.

Ive seen it a few times.

 

Once in a place where an American was going absolutely off his chops about what he assumed a Thai barman was saying about him..

 when in fact the barman was laughing and commenting (in Thai) about how he was impressed that the farang could drink so much and still be walking. 

 

There is (or rather there WAS) to many farang D-heads in Thailand.

 

Rough justice yeah, but sometimes hard to feel sorry for em.

 

On 9/27/2020 at 1:47 AM, pookondee said:

Ive got to agree.

 

The part i find funny is..

the guy hears the boss (supposedly) shouting aggressively at an employee..

 

So he coins the term "modern day slavery" and put it into the review.

 

ummm ok

 

SO..you have a foriegn guy who knows zero Thai language, yet ASSumes the boss is dissing on the employee..

without even knowing whats being said??

 lol

 

The boss could have been venting to his employee about what aรร-หoles the farangs were, for all we know.

 

Unbelievable!

 

Its not uncommon though.

Ive seen it a few times.

 

Once in a place where an American was going absolutely off his chops about what he assumed a Thai barman was saying about him..

 when in fact the barman was laughing and commenting (in Thai) about how he was impressed that the farang could drink so much and still be walking. 

 

There is (or rather there WAS) to many farang D-heads in Thailand.

 

Rough justice yeah, but sometimes hard to feel sorry for em.

"Modern day slavery"  thats exactly how i feel about American restauranteers who underpay their waiters so that they have to rely on tips to make a living. The USA must the worst in the world for this slavery habit.

[Huckenfell]

On 9/27/2020 at 1:50 AM, NCC1701A said:

here is the other half of the story:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VZCwyULmkLpZ7y5nT5wsaX0mn8waPd4H/view

Different with honest explation, is'nt it.

[norfolkandchance]

2 hours ago, ChipButty said:

30 Baht thats cheap I've seen 120 Baht ++

That comes close to €6 for a small bottle in a hotel mini bar in Helsinki. Tap water was fine.

[simple1]

35 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

and what if one refuses to pay any damages, he does not own any property, or have much in the bank, how are they going to make him pay?      

Where Thailands concerned, that's another reason to keep the bulk of your money in your home country bank.

Just supposing I was charged with defamation, my house is in my wifes name, my life savings are in my UK bank, how is anyone going to get any money out of me?

keep you in prison until you pay?

[NoshowJones]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

keep you in prison until you pay?

That's the answer I was expecting, but would that actually happen?

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

That's the answer I was expecting, but would that actually happen?

It has been reported that there are many people in IDC for many years due to insufficient funds to get released

you and your wife would have to decide pay to get your released or remain in prison

[Huckenfell]

On 9/27/2020 at 2:29 AM, Flying Saucage said:

The outcry is not about bringing an own dring for free at a hotel. The outcry is about prosecuting and throwing a customer into jail for leaving a review on Trip Advisor. 

 

On 9/27/2020 at 3:21 AM, MRToMRT said:

I wonder what will happen if I make a police report because some people on this forum have called me a bit of a British <deleted>? 

 

Cmon, who the <deleted> would stay at this hotel if they knew the story even if the guy was a bit an <deleted>, apparently.

 

What a ridiculous state of affairs. 

Having read the genuine reviews obviously written by people who could afford to stay there. I am looking forward to staying at this resort one day.

[Huckenfell]

On 9/27/2020 at 3:25 AM, Neeranam said:

What a truly racist, Thai-bashing post, you should be ashamed. I've no idea why you foreigners want to live here.

Wake up , we are not all the same even if this is how so many like you think.

[Huckenfell]

On 9/27/2020 at 3:35 AM, DirtyHarry55 said:

When the resort sighed up for TripAdvisor they probably agreed to their "Terms & Condition" of which one is probably "you will not file Criminal charges against customer Reviews" ( or similar ).
Tripadvisor have the responsibility to protect customers by either by banning reviews completely from Thailand or at least banning the resorts who file Criminal charges against customers for bad reviews.
Google, Booking and Agoda should do the same. Sometimes you get good reviews sometimes bad grow up and live with it.

From what I understand he spent 3 days in prison and paid 100,000 for bail now imagine if that was you because you left a bad review on Google or TA.

But with him, it was not "a bad review"  it was malicious and repeated over and over for a couple of months.

[Steve Mepham]

On 9/26/2020 at 3:07 PM, ThailandRyan said:

Only in Thailand could this happen. No cease and desist orders necessary or blocking him and having the posts removed.  Not like tbe rest of the world.

I take customer service complaints on a regular basis, and the conversation normally starts with if I don't get what I want then I'm  going to give you a <deleted> rating / review.  

 

You cannot just remove a bad review, please god it was so simple. A bad review can ruin a business, so some power going back to the reviewed is not a bad thing.  

[ChipButty]

2 minutes ago, Steve Mepham said:

I take customer service complaints on a regular basis, and the conversation normally starts with if I don't get what I want then I'm  going to give you a <deleted> rating / review.  

 

You cannot just remove a bad review, please god it was so simple. A bad review can ruin a business, so some power going back to the reviewed is not a bad thing.  

I mentioned a way back, Guest do it to try and get refunds and one guest said to a friend of mine if she give them a discount he will write a good review, 

[mark131v]

2 minutes ago, Huckenfell said:

 

Having read the genuine reviews obviously written by people who could afford to stay there. I am looking forward to staying at this resort one day.

 

I have stayed there three times with my family and even had a five day break with my mum and dad when they visited and I must say it's a lovely place, that said I will not be staying again as any establishment who has to resort to these actions has lost it's way

 

The day they believe jailing guests who criticise them is the way to go they have advertised their true opinion and shown incredible arrogance and lack of critical thinking

 

The American sounds like a knob but that is not the point! hotel's like this cater to international guests who are not used to backward laws and 'face' for them to stoop to this rather than put a bit of effort into discrediting the Yank as most right thinking readers of the review would have done anyway shows they are unable to think beyond 'face' 

 

Seems they have caused irreparable damage to their reputation and the internet and foreign news are onto the story, guess you just can't fix stupid...

[Huckenfell]

On 9/27/2020 at 4:40 AM, CorpusChristie said:

No , the guy waged a war against his resort because they wouldnt allow him to bring beers in from 7/11

 Some "think they are privileged Caucasian guys " seem to think that rules dont apply to them n

You must be referring to a different case as this one is all about them bringing a bottle of gin into the resort restaurant and then being charged corkage, this is fair enough as the glasses do not wash themselves. As for 7/11 beer i don't know what the hell you are blabbing on about.

[Andy from Kent]

2 minutes ago, mark131v said:

 

I have stayed there three times with my family and even had a five day break with my mum and dad when they visited and I must say it's a lovely place, that said I will not be staying again as any establishment who has to resort to these actions has lost it's way

 

The day they believe jailing guests who criticise them is the way to go they have advertised their true opinion and shown incredible arrogance and lack of critical thinking

 

The American sounds like a knob but that is not the point! hotel's like this cater to international guests who are not used to backward laws and 'face' for them to stoop to this rather than put a bit of effort into discrediting the Yank as most right thinking readers of the review would have done anyway shows they are unable to think beyond 'face' 

 

Seems they have caused irreparable damage to their reputation and the internet and foreign news are onto the story, guess you just can't fix stupid...

 

Please tell us all how much you paid for each nite of your visit.

 

Surely you weren't paying 6,000 THB a nite.

[Huckenfell]

On 9/27/2020 at 7:17 AM, Oldie said:

One thing is for sure. I will never stay in this hotel. Hopefully this statement is not enough to get arrested... 

At least you know that you cannot afford it.

[mark131v]

1 minute ago, Andy from Kent said:

 

Please tell us all how much you paid for each nite of your visit.

 

Surely you weren't paying 6,000 THB a nite.

Thee last visit would have been about 2014 and it was expensive however I was working offshore at the time and more than happy to push the boat out but no I don't think I would have been paying that much but it would have been in the 3's I think!! 

 

I always plan ahead and book early, for anybody interested another favourite of mine is the Marriott in Rayong again not cheap but brilliant food and you get what you pay for, I have been to enough <deleted>ty places to choose never to do that again only ever search 4 or 5 star places!

 

 

[Huckenfell]

On 9/27/2020 at 8:51 AM, Curt1591 said:

The last review and rebuttal are still on Trip Advisor.

Your reviews all look good to me , so i will stay with you one day. Good luck.

 

[ChipButty]

2 minutes ago, mark131v said:

Thee last visit would have been about 2014 and it was expensive however I was working offshore at the time and more than happy to push the boat out but no I don't think I would have been paying that much but it would have been in the 3's I think!! 

 

I always plan ahead and book early, for anybody interested another favourite of mine is the Marriott in Rayong again not cheap but brilliant food and you get what you pay for, I have been to enough <deleted>ty places to choose never to do that again only ever search 4 or 5 star places!

 

 

One thing about the Marriott group is the best breakfast you will ever get 

[mark131v]

1 minute ago, ChipButty said:

One thing about the Marriott group is the best breakfast you will ever get 

The one in Rayong has a great restaurant and the pools are awesome and much less busy than the Pattaya one, come to think of it that was one of the reasons we liked the Sea view as their pools are really good as is their beech, shame really but I personally will not reward an organisation willing to stoop to getting negative reviews jailed, then again I have a moral code I try to live by

[Andy from Kent]

7 minutes ago, mark131v said:

Thee last visit would have been about 2014 and it was expensive however I was working offshore at the time and more than happy to push the boat out but no I don't think I would have been paying that much but it would have been in the 3's I think!! 

 

I always plan ahead and book early, for anybody interested another favourite of mine is the Marriott in Rayong again not cheap but brilliant food and you get what you pay for, I have been to enough <deleted>ty places to choose never to do that again only ever search 4 or 5 star places!

 

 

 

You have never posted anything any where I could find more accurate. 

 

I keep checking back with the Rayong  Marriott as the Ms. and me once paid just over 130 USD for a corner room that included breakfast.    What a breakfast

 

 

4 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

One thing about the Marriott group is the best breakfast you will ever get 

 

 

If I stayed there for two weeks including breakfast I think I'd come in about 22 stone.   555

 

 

[Oldie]

19 minutes ago, Huckenfell said:

At least you know that you cannot afford it.

I really can't afford to stay in a hotel that creates so many troubles. If you are dealing with customers you will always have happy and unhappy customers. And for a manager it is part of the job to transform unhappy customers to happy customers. Even without reviews - every unhappy customer is a lost customer. 

[ChipButty]

12 minutes ago, Andy from Kent said:

 

You have never posted anything any where I could find more accurate. 

 

I keep checking back with the Rayong  Marriott as the Ms. and me once paid just over 130 USD for a corner room that included breakfast.    What a breakfast

 

 

 

 

If I stayed there for two weeks including breakfast I think I'd come in about 22 stone.   555

 

 

JW Marriott in Bangkok breakfast is unbelievable make some bacon sandwiches for later

[metisdead]

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[FarFlungFalang]

3 hours ago, Don Mega said:

several members of TVF have said in this thread they would not stay at this resort based upon these events, so yes the place has suffured a loss.

They did say the decided to sue to act as a deterrent,so they achieved their goal.

[FarFlungFalang]

34 minutes ago, Oldie said:

Even without reviews - every unhappy customer is a lost customer. 

I think it goes even further,every unhappy customer is a possible chain of lost potential happy customers.

[FarFlungFalang]

3 hours ago, John Drake said:

Well, I came over during the Pleistocene! I knew Bangkok when there was ice covering Soi 33.

Now there is "ice" all over Thailand and it's pretty cheap I've heard.