Biden campaign tees up Trump tax issue on eve of first debate

[Logosone]

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No reference at all of reality in this post. They're both acting like street fighters, Trump the meaner, so yeah if you like that Trump is destroying Biden. Biden is showing much more factual knowledge of the issues at hand.

 

Looking at your post, it only confirms that people entrenched in their opinion won't change it, it is about the other voters. And so far it looks like not many will be swayed to either side.

They're both acting like street fighters? Lol. Biden looks like a grandmother frozen just before crossing a busy street. He just tried to make an argument and forgot what he was trying to say and broke off mid-sentence.

 

Plus Biden is stiff like a plank. And how he had to take that punch to the face that Hunter Biden was discharged dishonourably from the military for taking drugs. I really feel pity for Biden. It's just brutal. But it's all one way.

 

We both know that elections have been decided by presidential debates, one only has to recall the Nixon vs Kennedy debates to know that has happened in the past.

 

In this debate Trump has outrageously step-danced all over Biden. It really was brutal to watch. I actually feel pity for what happened to Biden.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2020 by Logosone

[alex8912]

8 hours ago, heybruce said:

Agreed.  Trump is a lying embarrassment when he goes off script.

But Biden keeps stumbling tonight 

[Tippaporn]

1st debate just finished and Biden just got smoked on the NYT's hit piece regarding Trump taxes.

[J Town]

Just now, Logosone said:

They're both acting like street fighters? Lol. Biden looks like a grandmother frozen just before crossing a busy street. He just tried to make an argument and forgot what he was trying to say and broke off mid-sentence.

 

Plus Biden is stiff like a plank. And how he had to take that punch to the face that Hunter Biden was discharged dishonourably from the military for taking drugs. I really feel pity for Biden. It's just brutal. But it's all one way.

 

We both know that elections have been decided by presidential debates, one only has to recall the Nixon vs Kennedy debates to know that has happened in the past.

 

In this debate Trump has outrageously step-danced all over Biden. I really was brutal to watch. I actually feel pity for what happened to Biden.

Your opinion is step-dancing, decent human beings call it boorish. It obviously doesn't matter to anyone on this forum. 45 supporters will be his sycophants regardless of WHAT was said. Biden supporters' minds won't be changed. CNN just described this debate as a loss for the American people. Literally just called it "A sh!tshow."

[simple1]

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No reference at all of reality in this post. They're both acting like street fighters, Trump the meaner, so yeah if you like that Trump is destroying Biden. Biden is showing much more factual knowledge of the issues at hand.

 

Looking at your post, it only confirms that people entrenched in their opinion won't change it, it is about the other voters. And so far it looks like not many will be swayed to either side.

if you don't mind me adding I watched the latter half of the debate. trump constantly interjected much to the irritation of the moderator and repeated fact free conspiracy stuff ad nauseum in every topic. IMO trump was thoroughly unpresidential, a total wash out and could well motivate undecided voters to vote for Biden.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

My 2 cents is that Biden does make me squirm sometimes and I think he could've done a better job answering some questions. Overall though he duked it out with Trump and did OK.

Trump does have a force of personality and is good and getting a message across, but he also came across as a bit bullying, annoying, and sometimes just silly e.g. not willing to accept the election result and on climate change.

I think people will come out of this feeling there are two flawed candidates but that Biden is a better man and a better person for the future of America.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Fat is a type of crazy

[simple1]

5 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

But Biden keeps stumbling tonight 

Speech impediment, but, unlike trump, in command of the facts

[Berkshire]

7 minutes ago, Logosone said:

In this debate Trump has outrageously step-danced all over Biden. It really was brutal to watch. I actually feel pity for what happened to Biden.

 

You Trump supporters can never see reality, only what you want to see.  Trump was doing his usual, lying his as* off and making up stuff, and endlessly interrupting.  It won't matter and it won't change any minds.  Trump is toast. 

[Logosone]

3 minutes ago, J Town said:

CNN just described this debate as a loss for the American people. Literally just called it "A sh!tshow."

CNN actually wrote:

 

"For much of the first hour, Trump dominated the discussion, talked over his rival, steamrolled the moderator – often without any interruption. 

 

It’s clear that the President is trying to win the moment, while Joe Biden seems to be playing more of a long game. Yet at times, he seemed to all recede from the stage. To those listening – and not watching – he went for stretches of time without speaking, intent on biting his tongue."

 

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/presidential-debate-coverage-fact-check-09-29-20/index.html

 

This is CNN, one of the most anti-Trump news outlets of all. They try to talk up Biden, but it's a lost cause.

 

It was so obvious. Even CNN have to concede that Biden went for stretches of time without speaking. The rest of the time he was stiff and making a fool of himself by getting numbers wrong, not finishing his sentences.

 

Anyone who supports Biden must be severely embarassed now. What a pitiful and defenceless performance by Biden.

 

Brutal. 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

1st debate just finished and Biden just got smoked on the NYT's hit piece regarding Trump taxes.

If you believe Trump paid millions of tax on his 2016 tax return then good for you. He tried to go around it by saying he paid millions in tax in general but when cornered he said he paid millions on his 2016 tax return and he almost certainly lied. Surely he could show us that part of his tax return showing the tax payable only. No? Yeah thought so.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Fat is a type of crazy

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

CNN actually wrote:

 

"For much of the first hour, Trump dominated the discussion, talked over his rival, steamrolled the moderator – often without any interruption. 

 

It’s clear that the President is trying to win the moment, while Joe Biden seems to be playing more of a long game. Yet at times, he seemed to all recede from the stage. To those listening – and not watching – he went for stretches of time without speaking, intent on biting his tongue."

 

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/presidential-debate-coverage-fact-check-09-29-20/index.html

 

This is CNN, one of the most anti-Trump news outlets of all. They try to talk up Biden, but it's a lost cause.

 

It was so obvious. Even CNN have to concede that Biden went for stretches of time without speaking. The rest of the time he was stiff and making a fool of himself by getting numbers wrong, not finishing his sentences.

 

Anyone who supports Biden must be severely embarassed now. What a pitiful and defenceless performance by Biden.

 

Brutal. 

Why did you leave out the first sentence of that part? "President Trump is controlling tonight’s debate – that doesn’t mean he’s winning it.".

Or this part "But with more than one million ballots already cast, it’s hard to see how the first debate changed the trajectory of the race. And Trump needed that tonight.".

Edited September 30, 2020 by stevenl

[klikster]

23 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

The truth is there's no illegality proven at this time.

That has been revealed to the public?

[Jingthing]

Biden was way ahead before this debate.

Biden will continue to be way ahead after this debate. 

Whoever you say won or lost this debate, there is no way that 45 peeled voters away from Biden and at this point real undecided voters are almost nonexistent. 

In other words 45 needed to hit a grand slam to get back into this race. Not even close.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Jingthing

[Damual Travesty]

I am a Trump supporter, and I am not happy with the moderator more then anything else. Wallace has a real knack for asking questions with an implication embedded inside the question which is not true, therefore he put Donald Trump in the position with having to argue the merits of the question itself, before answering the question. This in itself is a dirty trick.

 

As for Donald Trumps performance, I am never happy with the lack of precision in his language, but think he did OK. I think he should have gone after Biden a lot more on the entire Russia gate conspiracy spitting out the most current information. I was pleased he put out information on Hunter Biden as this can now go to the fact checkers.

 

I think Biden did well in the debate, better then expected. I do not think there is a single undecided voter in the United States despite claims to the contrary. I mean seriously? An undecided voter? There may be some who decide to stay home and not vote based on a lack of enthusiasm for Biden.

 

Getting out the vote. That is what matters here.

[J Town]

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

CNN actually wrote:

 

"For much of the first hour, Trump dominated the discussion, talked over his rival, steamrolled the moderator – often without any interruption. 

 

It’s clear that the President is trying to win the moment, while Joe Biden seems to be playing more of a long game. Yet at times, he seemed to all recede from the stage. To those listening – and not watching – he went for stretches of time without speaking, intent on biting his tongue."

 

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/presidential-debate-coverage-fact-check-09-29-20/index.html

 

This is CNN, one of the most anti-Trump news outlets of all. They try to talk up Biden, but it's a lost cause.

 

It was so obvious. Even CNN have to concede that Biden went for stretches of time without speaking. The rest of the time he was stiff and making a fool of himself by getting numbers wrong, not finishing his sentences.

 

Anyone who supports Biden must be severely embarassed now. What a pitiful and defenceless performance by Biden.

 

Brutal. 

Once again, you prove that 45 supporters can't see things for what they are. The times that Biden went without speaking were cuz 45 was rudely talking over him. Even Chris Wallace was overwhelmed at 45's insolent disregard for debate protocol. A bull in a China shop. 45 went on further to perpetuate his undermining the election process. As well he would not admit that white supremacist's were a danger to the US, saying the FBI director was wrong.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

I am a Trump supporter, and I am not happy with the moderator more then anything else. Wallace has a real knack for asking questions with an implication embedded inside the question which is not true, therefore he put Donald Trump in the position with having to argue the merits of the question itself, before answering the question. This in itself is a dirty trick.

 

As for Donald Trumps performance, I am never happy with the lack of precision in his language, but think he did OK. I think he should have gone after Biden a lot more on the entire Russia gate conspiracy spitting out the most current information. I was pleased he put out information on Hunter Biden as this can now go to the fact checkers.

 

I think Biden did well in the debate, better then expected. I do not think there is a single undecided voter in the United States despite claims to the contrary. I mean seriously? An undecided voter? There may be some who decide to stay home and not vote based on a lack of enthusiasm for Biden.

 

Getting out the vote. That is what matters here.

An honest assessment of the debate. I don't agree with your first paragraph, I think some questions got Trump into trouble simply because his stance if indefensible.

 

But thanks for your honest assessment.

Edited September 30, 2020 by stevenl

[Susco]

1 minute ago, Damual Travesty said:

I am a Trump supporter, and I am not happy with the moderator more then anything else. Wallace has a real knack for asking questions with an implication embedded inside the question which is not true, therefore he put Donald Trump in the position with having to argue the merits of the question itself, before answering the question. This in itself is a dirty trick.

 

A Fox news presenter giving Trump a disadvantage in the debate? You must get really desperate now.

 

Wait for the other 3 debates, but I hope in the following debates they shut off Trump's microphone whenever it is not his time to talk.

 

Trump's behaviour during the debate was simply disgusting, but I'm sure everyone expected that

[Tug]

What a chit show they need to put an off switch on trumps mike so he can’t interrupt that would have helped imo trump got spanked what an low class ugly man trump is not a shred of dignity or decorum an utterly disgraceful performance by trump 

Edited September 30, 2020 by Tug

[BobBKK]

23 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Based on the number of lies told by trump since he started defiling the office of the president I do have an idea of who's telling the truth. Hint; it's not trump.

I have no idea, nor do you, what taxes he paid but it's not a requirement by law to declare that (maybe it should be) but it's a deflection for sure.

[Damual Travesty]

1 minute ago, J Town said:

Once again, you prove that 45 supporters can't see things for what they are. The times that Biden went without speaking were cuz 45 was rudely talking over him. Even Chris Wallace was overwhelmed at 45's insolent disregard for debate protocol. A bull in a China shop. 45 went on further to perpetuate his undermining the election process. As well he would not admit that white supremacist's were a danger to the US, saying the FBI director was wrong.

This will sound crazy to you maybe, but try as I might, I can't find much footage of White Supremacists burning down America's cities. I do see plenty of footage of leftists burning down America's cities. Is it me?

 

A bull in a china shop. Yep, that is exactly why he was elected.

 

The FBI director is on his way out - and the jig is up as they say. Translate as - The dance is over - the game is over. Everyday new information.

 

Even at the absolute pinnacle of Klan power they were not as powerful as the claim being made today when they are virtually non-existent.

[BobBKK]

2 minutes ago, Tug said:

What a chit show they need to put an off switch on trumps mike so he can’t interrupt that would have helped imo trump got spanked what an low class ugly man trump is not a shred of dignity or decorum an utterly disgraceful performance by trump 

I see it as a draw. Biden stuttered and brought up his dead son again to gain political advantage - i hate that. He's done it in recent ads too. Leave such p[personal tragedies out of politics.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

14 hours ago, Scott Tracy said:

I preface the following remarks with stating, I am not a citizen of the United States.

I also preface the below remarks by saying, they apply wherever, not just and uniquely to the United States and it's upcoming election for the Presidency.

 

I detest those who harp on about 'fair share'. I detest those who call it 'gaming the system'. Presumably, the tax authorities were satisfied that the correct tax was paid at the time. 

 

Granted that perhaps the system needs review and possibly changing, but it is the system, not the person. 

 

Get a life.

 

There are a few issues in addition to paying your fair share.

To address your point when you lodge a tax return it is self assessment i.e. not checked at the time but possibly audited later. He is now being audited. So no one was satisfied as such at the time he lodged.  

There is in fact the likelihood that he has not declared income and deductions appropriately and could have a huge tax bill. 

There is the separate fact that a big part of the reason he paid no tax was because he is not a successful businessman.

There is the fact that he is loaded with debt and that has huge national security and other implications.

So it is not just the issue of paying your fair share.  

 

Edited September 30, 2020 by Fat is a type of crazy

[Neeranam]

It was 2 against one, disgraceful. 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Just saw the debate. I am sad that not only are the media against Trump, so is the moderator. Very biased.

Give us examples. 

[Damual Travesty]

3 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

A Fox news presenter giving Trump a disadvantage in the debate? You must get really desperate now.

 

Wait for the other 3 debates, but I hope in the following debates they shut off Trump's microphone whenever it is not his time to talk.

 

Trump's behaviour during the debate was simply disgusting, but I'm sure everyone expected that

You really do have a rather simplistic view of Fox News.  I am not desperate at all. Chris Wallace is not known to be a Trump supporter. On the board of Fox news is Paul Ryan former speaker of the House, a Republican, but likewise not a Trump supporter. And I can go on about the differing types of views within the GOP, or branches of conservative thought, that drive US policy, but I won't. November 3rd Approaches.

[Logosone]

Just now, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Give us examples. 

For example when Chris Wallace took Trump to task for interrupting when Biden interrupted all the time as well.

 

Very biased. But then that was to be expected, Chris Wallace is a Democrat.

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Give us examples. 

Watch it, it will be obvious.

[Hamus Yaigh]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

Trump is utterly destroying Biden in the debate. It's almost pitiful to watch. 

You must have be seeing a different TV stream to me then. All I saw was two grumpy old men slagging each other off more suitable to a retirement home park bench. The country is a laughing stock to the outside world, seeing how they choose a new leader based on this.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Hamus Yaigh

[Sujo]

But the trump campaign sent out an email saying how great he was, hours before the debate started.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-email-says-finished-debating-233737614.html

[Fat is a type of crazy]

15 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

I am a Trump supporter, and I am not happy with the moderator more then anything else. Wallace has a real knack for asking questions with an implication embedded inside the question which is not true, therefore he put Donald Trump in the position with having to argue the merits of the question itself, before answering the question. This in itself is a dirty trick.

 

As for Donald Trumps performance, I am never happy with the lack of precision in his language, but think he did OK. I think he should have gone after Biden a lot more on the entire Russia gate conspiracy spitting out the most current information. I was pleased he put out information on Hunter Biden as this can now go to the fact checkers.

 

I think Biden did well in the debate, better then expected. I do not think there is a single undecided voter in the United States despite claims to the contrary. I mean seriously? An undecided voter? There may be some who decide to stay home and not vote based on a lack of enthusiasm for Biden.

 

Getting out the vote. That is what matters here.

I know its hard to imagine someone not having made a decision either way on Trump after 4 years. I suppose there are many people who just live there lives working tough jobs and aren't into politics like the likes of us.