Biden camp considers legal action over agency's delay in recognizing transition

[Sujo]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

 

  If its gets reveled theres been fraudulent votes , ALL votes would have to be checked for fraudulent behavior 

Thats how they find them, they check them. But there is never a re election.

 

And still, there is no evidence of it. There are always very small voter fraud but its never in the thousands. Usually in the tens.

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1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  If its gets reveled theres been fraudulent votes , ALL votes would have to be checked for fraudulent behavior 

You mean all 150 million plus?  All votes from a state? You think because you put "all" in capital letters that makes it so? Ridiculous.

[CharlieH]

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[CorpusChristie]

Yes, if its shown that widespread vote fraud occurred , every vote would need to be looked at , or hold the election again with restrictions in place to stop fraud 

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You mean all 150 million plus?  All votes from a state? You think because you put "all" in capital letters that makes it so? Ridiculous.

 

[Throatwobbler]

42 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

I expect they are waiting to see whether any voting fraud has occurred .

   If it can be proven that dead people registered and voted , the election would have to be voided and another election held  , this time without mail in votes

Your posts are getting more and more desperate. Zero chance of the election being voided.

[canuckamuck]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Can you share with us some of those unequivocal claims? Because some of us here have been shooting fish in a barrel...i.e. claims of unequivocal fraud. So far the courts haven't been real sympathetic to such claims.

It was a hypothetical, but I know you are just trying to get me booted for false claims.

 

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Yes, if its shown that widespread vote fraud occurred , every vote would need to be looked at , or hold the election again with restrictions in place to stop fraud 

 

There are already restrictions in place,thats why trumps taskforce found no systemic fraud. There were a few done by republicans though.

 

If there is evidence of a fraudulent vote it is removed. They do not need to check all votes. Its up to someone to make the complaint and provide the evidence it was fraud.

 

That hasnt happened. Just saying it is doesnt cut the mustard.

[Emdog]

18 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

I would really like to know if the the supporters of Biden on this thread, were given unequivocal evidence that there was voter fraud, would they care? Would they care if they knew the election was rigged?

I'm not saying it was, but there is a marked lack of interest in waiting for recounts and challenges. Gore's challenges went for weeks. Isn't it important to know that the vote still has meaning?

I understand the enthusiasm, but the vote is the foundation of everything America stands for.

In recent history, the only ones convicted of voter fraud are Republicans. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/two-more-arrested-in-connection-to-alleged-north-carolina-election-fraud

The vote is the foundation, I agree.

BTW, after Supreme Court gave Bush the 2000 election, Florida finished it's recount. Gore won by around 161 votes. It could be argued that 9/11 might not have happened if Gore had been in WH. He took terrorism seriously

https://web.archive.org/web/20070125163734/http://electionstudies.org/florida2000/index.htm

[canuckamuck]

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Can you share a link with us? That's the way it's supposed to be done. It's also useful to keep in mind that the owners of fivethirtyeight.com are very right wing. 

I don't know if I can share that link. It isn't CNN

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  What would happen if mass voting fraud was uncovered ?

I am not talking about the odd vote here and there , what if it gets proven that there was a deliberate attempt to rig the election by fraudulent voting  ?

   Rather than investigating  every single vote , it would be easier to have another election 

Why. Just remove the votes that were fraudulant. Thats the way its always done.

 

There will be no re election. Get over it.

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

 

They certainly seem to be falling in behind there (losing) candidate. Gone nuts, or gone Trump, there again, is their a difference?

 

They do need to be very very careful, I would suggest. No doubt the party contains many elected representatives, at State and Federal level, who harbour ambitions to achieve higher office. To be actively associated with Mr Trumps approach, particularly his apparent attempt to overthrow the election result in the courts, relying upon a "payroll vote" of judges who owe their appointment to Trump, (rather than any actual evidence) may do their political careers and future ambitions considerable damage.

 

I have seen it argued that the Republican Party is heavily influenced by corporate sponsors and lobbyists, I have seen it suggested that their political dominance is heavily bolstered by gerrymandering on a remarkable scale, they certainly seem to be enthusiasts for "vote suppression"; that seems to perhaps have become accepted within American politics. But to overthrow (or make a serious attempt to overthrow) an election decision as clear as this one, using either stacked courts and/or by imposing delays to break various deadlines, with the intention of having the outcome decided by newly appointed electoral college voters or a manipulated congress is another order of magnitude. We hear allegations of political corruption, well that would be the ultimate act of political corruption.It would certainly backfire upon them, and plunge the United States into a constitutional crisis whose ramifications would be immense. I would hope that the bulk of the Republican Party will consider this. Do they want to be the people who destroy the Presidency as a democratic institution? Do they imagine that Mr Trump, (and by extension themselves) if reappointed in the face of such a clear electoral rejection will ever be regarded as anything than a cheating lying rogue, both within the USA and the international community?

Too late for Trump, he is already regarded as a lying cheating rogue both nationally and internationally, he would lie to you if you asked him the time of day.

[Berkshire]

10 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

I would really like to know if the the supporters of Biden on this thread, were given unequivocal evidence that there was voter fraud, would they care? Would they care if they knew the election was rigged?

I'm not saying it was, but there is a marked lack of interest in waiting for recounts and challenges. Gore's challenges went for weeks. Isn't it important to know that the vote still has meaning?

I understand the enthusiasm, but the vote is the foundation of everything America stands for.

You have to understand this in full context.  Trump has been telegraphing for months that if he lost, it would be because the election was rigged.  He had no evidence for this of course, it was Trump being Trump.  You also have to understand how the election process works.  There are 50 different states that run our elections, each completely independent.  There would have to have been some massive conspiracy involving countless people to rig this election, and only rig for the top of the ticket.  Nonsensical.  On top of that, election fraud is a serious crime.  Who in their right mind would risk prison to engage in such a thing with very little to gain personally? 

 

I've been watching/reading the news non-stop and there has been no evidence of large scale voter fraud.  Some mistakes were made, certainly.  But nothing that could change the result.  The courts have already heard several cases and rejected every single one.  I think I speak for everyone that if the accusers can produce actual evidence, we're all happy to check it out.     

[Ireland32]

40 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

I would really like to know if the the supporters of Biden on this thread, were given unequivocal evidence that there was voter fraud, would they care? Would they care if they knew the election was rigged?

I'm not saying it was, but there is a marked lack of interest in waiting for recounts and challenges. Gore's challenges went for weeks. Isn't it important to know that the vote still has meaning?

I understand the enthusiasm, but the vote is the foundation of everything America stands for.

Of course we wouldn’t tolerate it 

[ThailandRyan]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Its been alleged that dead people registered and voted , these claims need to be investigated before power is handed over

Hell, I had three absentee ballots mailed to me here in Thailand on the same day.  Could I have voted three times, sure, would it have been legal, hell no.  But to have three Ballots arrive on the same day from the US just amazes me.  Why would they mail out three?  

[soalbundy]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Its been alleged that dead people registered and voted , these claims need to be investigated before power is handed over

and if there was some cheating you think this would make a huge difference and wing the vote inrumps favour

[Fat is a type of crazy]

Delete. 

 

 

 

Edited November 10, 2020 by Fat is a type of crazy

[onthedarkside]

Continued "what if" posts talking about "mass voting fraud," in the absence credible evidence or proof of such on a mass scale, will be treated as trolling and removed. Members who persist in such posts will face suspensions. This applies to this thread, and any others on the same topic.

 

 

[CorpusChristie]

5 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

and if there was some cheating you think this would make a huge difference and wing the vote inrumps favour

 

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Edited November 10, 2020 by CorpusChristie

[canuckamuck]

9 minutes ago, Ireland32 said:

Of course we wouldn’t tolerate it 

 Good answer

 

[Sujo]

9 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Its been alleged that dead people registered and voted , these claims need to be investigated before power is handed over

No, you dont just throw out a claim. You have to show evidence it happened. There has been no evidence.

 

Show the evidence and it will be investigated, until that happens its just talk.

[soalbundy]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

 

  That depends on the scale of the cheating

The only person charged so far was a Republican using his dead mothers name. The general consensus is that the election has been fair. Up until now nobody has thought of the USA as a banana republic but Trump is trying his best to shift opinions in that matter

[tilaceer]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

U.S. television and news networks only declare projected winners.  They cannot certify election results.  Biden and team will have to wait.

 

I doubt they have any viable legal recourse available to them.  That's probably why the official spoke anonymously.

Again, as per a previous post, look at 2016.

The Obama team started the transition process on the 9th November. The day after the election, before any official certification. 

Trumps team are in denial and refuse to participate in any function that might indicate acceptance of the results.

What a difference in the way the two administrations have acted.

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1 minute ago, Sujo said:

No, you dont just throw out a claim. You have to show evidence it happened. There has been no evidence.

 

Show the evidence and it will be investigated, until that happens its just talk.

 

A common ruse among Trump supporters  is to use the "it is said, it is alleged, etc." phrase. That's just a dishonest way of alleging something without being able to back it up.

[Sujo]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

A common ruse among Trump supporters  is to use the "it is said, it is alleged, etc." phrase. That's just a dishonest way of alleging something without being able to back it up.

Trump isnt even alleging any voter fraud in Penn. His complaint is the observers werent allowed to stand close enough to the people counting the ballots.

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

I don't know if Real Clear Politics is a banned site, but they did make Arizona and Pennsylvania grey again today, as in too close to call. They now have Biden with only 259 electoral votes.

That's my 2 cents, feel free to delete If I broke a rule.

Just tell the loser trump to go............

 

Oh and a message to DJT; please don't forget to finish your wall before you go, there's a good boy.

[wasabi]

There is no evidence of fraud to a degree sufficient to overturn the election and this whole thing is magic realism. Trump can't accept the loss because he has to keep his money machine cranking. He has to go out like Dirty Harry or John McClain, the rogue tough guy who won't take no for an answer and won't be challenged by authority. He is thinking of his future media empire and it is based on this mythical persona. Mathematically overturning the election is not possible. Furthermore the cherry picking of what is investigated and what isn't is pure buffoonery and sleaze. For example they wish to overturn the presidential vote but not senate one. Well these choices are typically on the same ballot. It isn't possible for vote counters to split the ballots in half and change results to a significant degree to change the end result. He is playing in a kiddie pool while the ocean has already swept him away. It's pure theatrics and I am most disappointed in the GOP as this is SOP for Trump. Remember Lyin Ted Cruz (Trump's words) and his accusations Cruz wasn't a citizen & that his votes were fraudulent? And Now Cruz is suddenly defender of legal voting? Remember his denialism of Obama being a US citizen. On what basis 4chan or Qanon? Personally I am not a fan of Biden or Trump but I am a fan of America which is much more than any one person or candidate. If they loved America they would not be false flag defenders of Trump and his hissy fit.

 

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19 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

 Good answer

 

In reply to a question with a very shaky premise.

[Phoenix Rising]

55 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

I would really like to know if the the supporters of Biden on this thread, were given unequivocal evidence that there was voter fraud, would they care? Would they care if they knew the election was rigged?

I'm not saying it was, but there is a marked lack of interest in waiting for recounts and challenges. Gore's challenges went for weeks. Isn't it important to know that the vote still has meaning?

I understand the enthusiasm, but the vote is the foundation of everything America stands for.

"I would really like to know if the the supporters of Biden on this thread, were given unequivocal evidence that there was voter fraud, would they care?"

I would care if there was widespread voter fraud, with the emphasis on widespread. A couple of isolated cases would in no way invalidate the result of the election.

 

"Would they care if they knew the election was rigged?"

You mean the entire election on a national level?? Are you serious or are you trolling? 

 

"I'm not saying it was, but there is a marked lack of interest in waiting for recounts and challenges."

That's because the challenges - all of them - have been completely without merit and have been thrown out of the courts as soon as they've been received. 

For example:

Nine legal experts about Trump's latest lawsuit challenging election results in Pennsylvania: Dead on arrival.

 

"Gore's challenges went for weeks."

The Gore challenge was a very legitimate challenge (see link below) and the SC ended up stealing the election from the Dems. 

Why Donald Trump isn't Al Gore: How 2020 legal challenges to the election differ from 2000

 

"Isn't it important to know that the vote still has meaning? I understand the enthusiasm, but the vote is the foundation of everything America stands for."

Totally agree, but until trump et al comes up with credible and substantiated charges I will remain enthusiastic and enormously relieved that sanity has prevailed.

BOB!

 

 

[wasabi]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

"I would really like to know if the the supporters of Biden on this thread, were given unequivocal evidence that there was voter fraud, would they care?"

I would care if there was widespread voter fraud, with the emphasis on widespread. A couple of isolated cases would in no way invalidate the result of the election.

 

"Would they care if they knew the election was rigged?"

You mean the entire election on a national level?? Are you serious or are you trolling? 

 

"I'm not saying it was, but there is a marked lack of interest in waiting for recounts and challenges."

That's because the challenges - all of them - have been completely without merit and have been thrown out of the courts as soon as they've been received. 

For example:

Nine legal experts about Trump's latest lawsuit challenging election results in Pennsylvania: Dead on arrival.

 

"Gore's challenges went for weeks."

The Gore challenge was a very legitimate challenge (see link below) and the SC ended up stealing the election from the Dems. 

Why Donald Trump isn't Al Gore: How 2020 legal challenges to the election differ from 2000

 

"Isn't it important to know that the vote still has meaning? I understand the enthusiasm, but the vote is the foundation of everything America stands for."

Totally agree, but until trump et al comes up with credible and substantiated charges I will remain enthusiastic and enormously relieved that sanity has prevailed.

BOB!

 

 

 

With Bush v Gore it was a single state and only a few hundred votes. The question was not fraud but if the vote had been accurately tallied. Given the counting was even more manual than it is now that was entirely reasonable. Overturning multiple states with margins of hundreds of thousands of votes is not similar at all. Above all where is the evidence other than vague accusations from a proven instigator (Trump)?

[soalbundy]

21 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Trump isnt even alleging any voter fraud in Penn. His complaint is the observers werent allowed to stand close enough to the people counting the ballots.

which is a lie as it turned out