Hopes rise, as Thailand continues developing vaccine against COVID-19

[webfact]

Hopes rise, as Thailand continues developing vaccine against COVID-19

 

   

BANGKOK (NNT) - Hopes have been raised by the United States pharmaceutical company Pfizer’s announcement this week that its vaccine was 90 percent effective in preventing COVID-19 among trial volunteers.

 

The Director of the National Vaccine Institute (NVI), Dr. Nakorn Premsri, said today that there is hope that the vaccine will soon be available. The same type of messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) is being tested and developed by the Faculty of Medicine, Chulalongkorn University. The results from human trials can be compared. The first phase of human trials will take place in January and February next year, and the second phase will start after six or seven months.

 

Although Thailand and Pfizer have not worked together recently, the country will ask for production data from the company by the end of this month. The mRNA-based vaccine is safe, and the duration of immunity will determine its effectiveness.

 

Thailand is planning to administer the vaccine against COVID-19 to 50 percent of the population. The first group is medical personnel who are looking after COVID-19 patients. Morbidity and fatality rates and other factors will be taken into consideration for other groups. The issue is expected to be finalized this year, and it will be proposed to the National Vaccine Committee for consideration.

 

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[Flying Saucage]

7 minutes ago, webfact said:

The first phase of human trials will take place in January and February next year, and the second phase will start after six or seven months

 

Isn't that schedule around 8 months (or even more) behind the progress of all the leading European and American vaccine programs? I doubt that someone still will ask for the Thai vaccine, when the leading suppliers will be on the market for 8 months already. I mean, BioNTech/Pfizer are now already in the middle of their third phase of testing.

[jastheace]

the new condition of entry for tourists.

the thai vaccine.

1st dose at airport on arrival. quarantine 10 days. 2nd dose at q hotel. then free to do your tourist things.

cost....... xxx,xxx baht per dose.

no entry even with proof of dirty smelly sweaty western vaccines. 

regards anutin.

[jastheace]

42 minutes ago, webfact said:

the country will ask for production data from the company by the end of this month.

ask? did india ask pfizer for 'production' data in order to copy manufacture viagra?

[sammieuk1]

Prepare to be gouged to death ????

[Flying Saucage]

11 minutes ago, jastheace said:

the new condition of entry for tourists.

the thai vaccine.

1st dose at airport on arrival. quarantine 10 days. 2nd dose at q hotel. then free to do your tourist things.

cost....... xxx,xxx baht per dose.

no entry even with proof of dirty smelly sweaty western vaccines. 

regards anutin.

 

You forgot to mention the mandatory wristband tracker, and the mandatory Thai Covid insurance which comes under a special rip-off pricing to boost the Thai economy. The latter will be essential, as the mandatory Thai vaccine might be ineffective when applied to farangs bodies.

 

Edited November 11, 2020 by Flying Saucage

[grumbleweed]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

The same type of messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) is being tested and developed by the Faculty of Medicine, Chulalongkorn University

Coming soon: The wheel

[Hayduke]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Hopes rise, as Thailand continues developing vaccine against COVID-19

 

Sounds like....

 

....the idea is to try and rip off Pfizer's vaccine...copy it...rebrand it...and market it as a product of the Hero-General's collection of mad scientists.

 

That would be so....Thai.

 

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Hayduke

[rupert the bear]

28 minutes ago, Hayduke said:

 

Sounds like....

 

....the idea is to try and rip off Pfizer's vaccine...copy it...rebrand it...and market it as a product of the Hero-General's collection of mad scientists.

 

That would be so....Thai.

 

 

it needs advanced refrigeration so thats not on,copy the russian or chinese one is more likely but

china would get upset,the thought of someone copying their stuff,thered be national outrage,how dare they!

 

[mr mr]

once said vaccine is developed i highly recommend that all the top politicians in the government take the vaccine first as a show of strength and leadership. 

 

what better way to win the hearts and minds of those you wish to govern. 

 

so i send this challenge out to all politicians (heck world wide for that matter) step up and show us you care by being the first in line to test the vaccine. 

 

i will line up like a sheep to the slaughter after that.

 

 

[Dogmatix]

3 hours ago, jastheace said:

the new condition of entry for tourists.

the thai vaccine.

1st dose at airport on arrival. quarantine 10 days. 2nd dose at q hotel. then free to do your tourist things.

cost....... xxx,xxx baht per dose.

no entry even with proof of dirty smelly sweaty western vaccines. 

regards anutin.

Ha ha. Must have insurance to cover funeral expenses or repatriation of corpse too.

[Dogmatix]

This is a sick joke. Thailand has not ordered any of the foreign vaccines as it wants to rely on the Chula one which, based on the timeline given here will be ready by the end of 2023, if it works at all, assuming Brazil agreed to go ahead with the trials. If they can conduct the trials, they will rely on data provided by foreign drug companies, if any feel charitable. Then they don’t have the ability to scale up production. 
 

Chula trumpeted its Ebola vaccine which never went ahead. You can see that this is leading to Thailand having no vaccine on time and having to beg China for one of its cheap ones. For university developed vaccines, would you put your money on Oxford with Astra Zeneca with a severe domestic outbreak to test it in or Chula on its own having to rely totally on other countries’ willingness to test it way behind the curve of major drug companies?

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Hopes have been raised by the United States pharmaceutical company Pfizer’s announcement this week that its vaccine was 90 percent effective in preventing COVID-19 among trial volunteers.

So not really Thailand developing a vaccine then?

[Andyfez]

[Geoffggi]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Hopes have been raised by the United States pharmaceutical company Pfizer’s announcement this week that its vaccine was 90 percent effective in preventing COVID-19 among trial volunteers.

Apart from the misleading headline, I also believe that there is a big problem with storage of Pfizer's vaccine as it needs to be stored at minus 70 degrees celsius otherwise it degrades, this requirement also includes during the transportation of the vaccine. I think this could be a major problem for Thailand as it is even in European countries.  

[NanLaew]

5 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

 

Isn't that schedule around 8 months (or even more) behind the progress of all the leading European and American vaccine programs? I doubt that someone still will ask for the Thai vaccine, when the leading suppliers will be on the market for 8 months already. I mean, BioNTech/Pfizer are now already in the middle of their third phase of testing.

Yes. But if it has been developed locally without huge funding or being driven by national or political biases and intended for use initially in a nation that has a low rate of infection and death rate, then what's the rush?

[Lemonltr]

1 hour ago, Dogmatix said:

This is a sick joke. Thailand has not ordered any of the foreign vaccines as it wants to rely on the Chula one which, based on the timeline given here will be ready by the end of 2023, if it works at all, assuming Brazil agreed to go ahead with the trials. If they can conduct the trials, they will rely on data provided by foreign drug companies, if any feel charitable. Then they don’t have the ability to scale up production. 
 

Chula trumpeted its Ebola vaccine which never went ahead. You can see that this is leading to Thailand having no vaccine on time and having to beg China for one of its cheap ones. For university developed vaccines, would you put your money on Oxford with Astra Zeneca with a severe domestic outbreak to test it in or Chula on its own having to rely totally on other countries’ willingness to test it way behind the curve of major drug companies?

I read recently that Thailand had reached an agreement with Astra Zeneka to produce their vaccine in Thailand and that AstraZeneca were assisting in the pruduction facility. 

[Lemonltr]

1 hour ago, Geoffggi said:

Apart from the misleading headline, I also believe that there is a big problem with storage of Pfizer's vaccine as it needs to be stored at minus 70 degrees celsius otherwise it degrades, this requirement also includes during the transportation of the vaccine. I think this could be a major problem for Thailand as it is even in European countries.  

A statement has been issued in the UK that although it must be kept at under 80c it will be distributed in small iceboxes and is usable up to 5 days in a normal fridge (maybe they mean freezer) Distribution is to start on December 1st. Mind you what the UK government says is not guaranteed to be accurate. 

[Foghorn]

6 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

 

You forgot to mention the mandatory wristband tracker, and the mandatory Thai Covid insurance which comes under a special rip-off pricing to boost the Thai economy. The latter will be essential, as the mandatory Thai vaccine might be ineffective when applied to farangs bodies.

 

We know you can afford it because you’ve got 500,000 baht or you couldn’t get your visa , so hand it over

[KannikaP]

25 minutes ago, Lemonltr said:

A statement has been issued in the UK that although it must be kept at under 80c it will be distributed in small iceboxes and is usable up to 5 days in a normal fridge (maybe they mean freezer) Distribution is to start on December 1st. Mind you what the UK government says is not guaranteed to be accurate. 

I wonder how they will transport 20 million phials at -80 degrees from USA to UK. And how to dispose of 20 million empty phials.

Obviously, the vaccine will have to be at room/body temperature to inject it.

Could it be stored in one of the red bags you get in Tescos to get your ice-cream home safely?   LOL

[Dogmatix]

2 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

Apart from the misleading headline, I also believe that there is a big problem with storage of Pfizer's vaccine as it needs to be stored at minus 70 degrees celsius otherwise it degrades, this requirement also includes during the transportation of the vaccine. I think this could be a major problem for Thailand as it is even in European countries.  

You are right. This vaccine is not usable in third world tropical countries but that is not a problem for Thailand because it didn’t place an order for the vaccine and probably hasn’t ordered any of the big pharma vaccines.

[khunPer]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

The first phase of human trials will take place in January and February next year, and the second phase will start after six or seven months.

And the important phase-3 will begin when..?

[Cake Monster]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Although Thailand and Pfizer have not worked together recently, the country will ask for production data from the company by the end of this month. The mRNA-based vaccine is safe, and the duration of immunity will determine its effectiveness.

Does Thailand honestly believe that Pfizer, or any other Pharma Company will impart production Data to them.

These potential vaccines are the Golden Ticket for the Pharma Companies, and they will never allow another outsider to produce their " knock offs "

[mrbojangles]

3 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

Apart from the misleading headline, I also believe that there is a big problem with storage of Pfizer's vaccine as it needs to be stored at minus 70 degrees celsius otherwise it degrades, this requirement also includes during the transportation of the vaccine. I think this could be a major problem for Thailand as it is even in European countries.  

 

I saw on SkyNews yesterday a logistics company who transport medicine amongst other things, talking about this. Apparently they ship many things around at this temp in dry ice, which has a temperature of about -80. He said obviously they haven't shipped at this volume before but didn't see it being a big issue

[Geoffggi]

2 minutes ago, mrbojangles said:

 

I saw on SkyNews yesterday a logistics company who transport medicine amongst other things, talking about this. Apparently they ship many things around at this temp in dry ice, which has a temperature of about -80. He said obviously they haven't shipped at this volume before but didn't see it being a big issue

Sky news also admitted that not many hospitals had the required facilities to store at this low temperature

[Lemonltr]

2 hours ago, KannikaP said:

I wonder how they will transport 20 million phials at -80 degrees from USA to UK. And how to dispose of 20 million empty phials.

Obviously, the vaccine will have to be at room/body temperature to inject it.

Could it be stored in one of the red bags you get in Tescos to get your ice-cream home safely?   LOL

It's made at a Pfizer plant in Belgium. Transport by refrigerated lorry or air. 

[mrbojangles]

1 hour ago, Geoffggi said:

Sky news also admitted that not many hospitals had the required facilities to store at this low temperature

 

I may be wrong but I don't think the intention is to store it. At least not in the same way and for as long as the flu jab etc. The way I have understood it is that there have been teams under Prof Lim (i think his name was) working on the prioritization, distribution and allocation side of this for quite a while. The urgency of the programe will mean it will be distributed immediately upon delivery. Of course it won't go 100% smooth and it wouldn't surprise me if the Army get involved.

[oznomad]

Thai vaccine will be administered in the following stages.

1. Aliens arriving and residing here - first 6 months

Wait further 12 months to check for side effects.

2. Bar workers etc

Wait further 6 months.

3. The rest.

[Dogmatix]

1 hour ago, oznomad said:

Thai vaccine will be administered in the following stages.

1. Aliens arriving and residing here - first 6 months

Wait further 12 months to check for side effects.

2. Bar workers etc

Wait further 6 months.

3. The rest.

Meanwhile the elite and their families with be vaccinated with high quality vaccines from reputable drug companies imported at taxpayer expense.