UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Being genuine here........so you are saying one of the main aims of the immigration policy is to protect British workers and to secure a greater chance of employment and (supply and demand) improved or improving pay prospects?

 

That being the case, pre-empting your reply, many businesses are not going to be happy....correct? The loop hole being the pressure applied by businesses to the Home office demanding so and so is let in (move the goal posts) and we end up (almost) where we are today?

 

I would want a policy that doesn't undermine the UK labour market and benefit huge corporations by providing them with cheap foreign labour.

 

It's true that some businesses might not be happy having to pay their workers a fair living wage. I would side with the workers in such a dispute. It's possible some might leave the UK and set up sweatshops employing kids in China. However, if we are free to make our own laws and policies there are ways to safeguard around this. 

 

Would you genuinely prefer we encourage the use of cheap foreign labour to benefit the huge corporations at the expense of UK workers? I assume you weren't a Labour voter (back in the day when the Labour party was still "The Labour Party").

[Surelynot]

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

allow foreign workers in when required

That seems to be the fly in ointment..........the only reasons are a genuine shortage that simply cannot be met because there is no one with the right qualifications ......or the pay structure/benefits structure simply doesn't attract people to the job.

 

Care workers are a good example......lousy job, long hours and poor pay......solution? shorter hours and better pay (to attract people who are on benefits or who are in an even worse job).........OR.....let cheap labour in from abroad.

 

The solution is going to be...... let in cheap foreign labour....and back to square one. 

 

 

 

[Surelynot]

23 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   A bunch of highly skilled educated people who speak English , the UK should allow them all to move to the U.K , give them an Island off Scotland to all live , build a Hong Kong on the Shetlands .

  It would be a massive boost to the UK economy 

Tax system will be a shock for them...unless they can live under their previous tax regime.

[Rookiescot]

36 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I didn't see Johnson in that video, mainly Farage and a few people I never heard of.

 

Were you listening to them? More fool you.

 

Seems you listened to the polls as well, maybe that's why you couldn't be bothered to vote. Now we have to listen to you moan for the next decade when you only have yourself to blame. ???? 

 

Bitter much? Regretful much? 

 

What about this guy?

Do you know who he is?

And whats this about couldnt be bothered to vote?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35783049

[CharlieH]

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[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

What about this guy?

Do you know who he is?

And whats this about couldnt be bothered to vote?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35783049

He's wearing glasses....this must just after the Barnard castle trip.

[Rookiescot]

44 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

So it's the bosses fault? You want to leave it to the bosses of these huge corporations and rely on them to do the right thing by the British workforce? ????

 

I'm going to hazard a guess that you've not much experience in the corporate world. ????

 

What a great strategy for protecting the British workforce from cheap foreign labour, you should be PM. Second thoughts, maybe have a trial run as first minister of Scotland. It's a much smaller position and you couldn't do much worse than Sturgeon, plus you've got all the nationalist rhetoric required to deflect from the results of such ludicrous policies.

 

 

 

Its the way capitalism works.

I'm going to hazard a guess YOU shouldnt be working in Thailand taking someones job.

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

What about this guy?

Do you know who he is?

And whats this about couldnt be bothered to vote?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35783049

It's Boris Johnson.

 

What's your point?

[Rookiescot]

21 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

I would want a policy that doesn't undermine the UK labour market and benefit huge corporations by providing them with cheap foreign labour.

 

It's true that some businesses might not be happy having to pay their workers a fair living wage. I would side with the workers in such a dispute. It's possible some might leave the UK and set up sweatshops employing kids in China. However, if we are free to make our own laws and policies there are ways to safeguard around this. 

 

Would you genuinely prefer we encourage the use of cheap foreign labour to benefit the huge corporations at the expense of UK workers? I assume you weren't a Labour voter (back in the day when the Labour party was still "The Labour Party").

 

So you want a policy that undermines the competiveness of UK companies by forcing higher wage bills on them?

Interesting. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by Rookiescot

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

It's Boris Johnson.

 

What's your point?

My point is what is he saying about a trade deal?

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Its the way capitalism works.

I'm going to hazard a guess YOU shouldnt be working in Thailand taking someones job.

 

Yes I'm aware of how Capitalism works.

 

On your second point, I'm afraid you're way off the mark yet again.

 

I came here as part of a UK owned company making a very large BOI investment into Thailand manufacturing. This was at a time under Thaksin when Thailand was laying out the red carpet for such foreign investment.

 

Every 2 years when our law firm renew my visa and work permit I fill in a Skills Transfer document where I outline the skills that I have transferred to my Thai subordinates.

 

Without the willingness of employees like myself to selflessly uproot ourselves and assist in the setting up and running of the business, the investment into Thailand would never have been made. Such large investments by companies investing into UK manufacturing are most welcome. 

[JonnyF]

10 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

My point is what is he saying about a trade deal?

 

Yes he spoke of a Canada style deal. Which is what the EU was also saying around the same time.

 

What's your point?

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

So you want a policy that undermines the competiveness of UK companies by forcing higher wage bills on them?

Interesting. 

I want UK workers to be paid a fair living wage, not undercut by cheap foreign labour.

 

I'd have though a lefty like yourself would want the same. Or has your desire to rubbish Brexit become so extreme that it's turned you into some kind of right wing, corporate leech who only cares about massive profits and screwing over the workers?

 

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yes he spoke of a Canada style deal. Which is what the EU was also saying around the same time.

 

What's your point?

 

My point is him and vote leave were all promising a deal. They went to great lengths to claim we would have seamless trade with the EU. Thats what they promised. They never mentioned the prospect of a no deal Brexit.

Astonishingly they found enough idiots to believe them and they won.

It is now time they delivered the promises they made.

There is no mandate for a no deal Brexit. Thats not what Brexiteers voted for.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

I want UK workers to be paid a fair living wage, not undercut by cheap foreign labour.

 

I'd have though a lefty like yourself would want the same. Or has your desire to rubbish Brexit become so extreme that it's turned you into some kind of right wing, corporate leech who only cares about massive profits and screwing over the workers?

 

 

By driving corporations overseas of having them close down because they are no longer competitive?

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

 

My point is him and vote leave were all promising a deal. They went to great lengths to claim we would have seamless trade with the EU. Thats what they promised. They never mentioned the prospect of a no deal Brexit.

Astonishingly they found enough idiots to believe them and they won.

It is now time they delivered the promises they made.

There is no mandate for a no deal Brexit. Thats not what Brexiteers voted for.

Good point...but as JonnyF pointed out .......it is Boris speaking.

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

By driving corporations overseas of having them close down because they are no longer competitive?

Yeah, screw the workers. Maybe we should reduce minimum wage and healthcare to Chinese levels so we can compete with China. Zero hours contracts all round. A race to the bottom. 

 

You're all heart.

[Rookiescot]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Yeah, screw the workers. Maybe we should reduce minimum wage and healthcare to Chinese levels so we can compete with China. Zero hours contracts all round. A race to the bottom. 

 

You're all heart.

In order to survive most companies the the UK only have to be competitive with other EU companies.

But of course your wonderful idea for Brexit is going to screw that up with no deal.

I thought given your high position in a multinational company you would have understood all this. 

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

In order to survive most companies the the UK only have to be competitive with other EU companies.

But of course your wonderful idea for Brexit is going to screw that up with no deal.

I thought given your high position in a multinational company you would have understood all this. 

You want to compete on wages with Poland, where the minimum wage is 3.50 per hour? ????

 

Fantastic idea. A true man of the people. 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

You want to compete on wages with Poland, where the minimum wage is 3.50 per hour? ????

 

Fantastic idea. A true man of the people. 

 

I suspect when the Japanese car industry pulls out of the UK and relocates to somewhere else in the EU places like Poland will be high on their options list.

Brexit. The gift that keeps on giving.

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

It depends who by leave or the remain campaign and David Cameron or someone else. You seem to be trying to justify something with your statement.

So you think WTO trading can be disguised as an FTA.

[Surelynot]

Just now, sandyf said:

So you think WTO trading can be disguised as an FTA.

I see even No 10 has given up on "Australian" terms

[luckyluke]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Polish brickies for example, working on incredibly low wages and putting UK brickies out of work. Great for the huge home building companies who can get cheap Polish labour but not so good for the British man on the street who lays bricks for a living.

 

Well, if that is allowed by the British government, or if they don't care, this is indeed a calamity for the man in the street.

 

Once the U.K. is definitively out of the E.U., these Polish people will not be able to do that job anymore, but every non E.U. will still be  allowed to work for low wages.

 

One problem will be resolved,  but not the problem in its entirely.

 

It will still be to the British Government to act more efficaciously.         

[CharlieH]

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[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

 

I suspect when the Japanese car industry pulls out of the UK and relocates to somewhere else in the EU places like Poland will be high on their options list.

Brexit. The gift that keeps on giving.

 

Face it, you're quite happy to surrender sovereignty to the EU and to see the wages of the working class in the UK be driven into the ground by Polish immigrants on zero hours contracts working for pennies, as long as the pound recovers against the Baht.

 

All that virtue signaling about being a hand wringing, self flagellating lefty and that's the bottom line isn't it.

[CG1 Blue]

7 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Never said it was. Just that johnson had blinked- another u turn coming I feel. 

Let's face it, when he doesn't compromise you lot criticise him for being too stubborn. All these 'cake and eat it' comments come pouring out.

When he does compromise you use terms like 'blinked' and 'u-turn'. It's just childish. 

 

Clearly you've never had to negotiate before ????

[Bluespunk]

10 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Let's face it, when he doesn't compromise you lot criticise him for being too stubborn. All these 'cake and eat it' comments come pouring out.

When he does compromise you use terms like 'blinked' and 'u-turn'. It's just childish. 

 

Clearly you've never had to negotiate before ????

Nope. I criticise him for making claims (such as the one in the title of this thread) and then consistently back tracking and making u turns. The man’s a joke. 

[GrandPapillon]

all this discussion is academic anyhow, Boris knows he can't go for "No Deal" to please only a small minority of loons and alienate everyone else in England, and having to quit over the whole affair for creating complete chaos on 1/1/2021, and looking like the bad PM that he is (and being remembered for it in history, damaging his good name and his family name)

 

he is desperate for a deal, and he is going to get it with EU terms

 

[CG1 Blue]

9 hours ago, robblok said:

Other facts:

BJ lied constantly

BJ easiest deal ever (if this is an easy deal i don't want to see a hard one)

I will walk  (he did not and more then that he gave in)

Apart from the first one (we know Boris can bend the truth), please provide proof of your other 2 'facts'. Or is it you who is the liar? ????

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

6 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Liam Fox speaking in 2017? A year after the referendum and at the point where suddenly the Brexit fundamentalists in the Conservative party STARTED talking about no deal. Bit late after the votes are counted eh?

Johnson, Gove, Farage and vote leave were all claiming BEFORE the referendum we would get a deal.

There is no mandate for leaving with no deal. Thats not what the people were promised.

The post was to rubbish the continual use of the 'easiest deal in history' quote. The quote that remainers wheel out in almost every Brexit thread. You've conveniently side stepped that. Nice diversion!