UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[luckyluke]

Just now, kingdong said:

Cameron used the referendum as a cheap stunt  when he was in opposition,when he got elected by a narrow margin nigel farages ukip started to get popular which frightened cameron who called a peoples election thinking the people would listen to the lies of project fear,unfortunately for him it backfired on him and he had to resign with his tail between his legs,i,d like to say he was the worst pm britain ever had but think that title belongs to remainer may.

 

This is intern U.K. matter. 

 

Undeniable fact :

 

Brexit was decided democratically by a majority. 

Brexit will take place. 

[luckyluke]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Folk have to go back (well I do) and find the post to see what you are replying too....????

Indeed, I presume other people have your problem too. 

However for one or another reason they don't complain. 

 

But resolved as per now. 

[kingdong]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Excellent news; trump tweeted insults on a number of occasions regards UK. Anyone who's a trump sycophant, and as divisive as Farage, is not worthy to be on the honours list.

By that reckoning neither do 97% of the new years honours list.

[transam]

5 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Excellent news; trump tweeted insults on a number of occasions regards UK. Anyone who's a trump sycophant, and as divisive as Farage, is not worthy to be on the honours list.

Well done, you got a "Trump" in..........................????

[Hi from France]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

 

Fair enough, but as written :

 

 

"Since 1957, the European Union has benefited its citizens by working for peace and prosperity. It helps protect our basic political, social and economic rights.

Although we may take them for granted, these benefits improve our daily lives."

 

One only miss it, when it's gone.

 

Another thing I see there: you only care about yourself 

[simple1]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Well done, you got a "Trump" in..........................????

 More to the point, IMO Farage is a repulsive person, supporting a person who denigrates UK, trump, should rule anyone out of a honours recognition.

[simple1]

5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

By that reckoning neither do 97% of the new years honours list.

Really? 97% of the people on the honours list are trump sycophants....

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, Hi from France said:

Another thing I see there: you only care about yourself 

Yes and no. 

Honestly, not really care, but concerned about the wellfare of all the man in the street, especially senior ones. 

I am 73.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 More to the point, IMO Farage is a repulsive person, supporting a person who denigrates UK, trump, should rule anyone out of a honours recognition.

Your opinions tend to be very opinionated and not in line with the majority.

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Really? 97% of the people on the honours list are trump sycophants....

Did i say that?who rattled your cage.?

[Hi from France]

"purely in terms of negotiating technique" 

 

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I have spent the last forty years involved in international negotiations of one sort or another, and I have never seen a British government perform worse than they did in the four years of negotiations that concluded with the Christmas Eve Brexit agreement.

 

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Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of Brexit, purely in terms of negotiating technique, it is an object lesson in how not to do it.

https://www.politico.eu/article/5-reasons-uk-failed-brexit-talks/

[simple1]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Your opinions tend to be very opinionated and not in line with the majority.

 

You're also very opinionated. As to the majority comment - so what!

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Did i say that? who rattled your cage.?

Ok. Please clarify to what are you referring re 97% on the Honours List. Are you saying in your opinion they are not worthy or....?

[vogie]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

You're also very opinionated. As to the majority comment - so what!

It's called democracy, that is a word that many remainers fail to accept or indeed understand, it is all about them. 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Hi from France said:

well you can personally speculate from the outside ????

 

Brexiteers never understood the EU is more than a transaction, and that the benefits are of another magnitude that just having an accountant vision of a membership fees versus subsidies. 

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/what-the-eu-does-for-its-citizens_en

 

A transaction? What is that supposed to mean?

 

No need to include the propaganda link.

Edited December 31, 2020 by nauseus

[Hi from France]

14 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

"purely in terms of negotiating technique" 

 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/5-reasons-uk-failed-brexit-talks/

so 

 

 

The main points:

1. Overestimating the strength of the UK negotiating position: equally sovereign as the EU, but not sovereign equals
2. Triggering Article 50 before being ready = a series of self-inflicted deadlines
3. Choosing theoretical over practical sovereignty
4. destroyed  trust in our commitment by threatening to unilaterally renege on the Northern Ireland Protocol
5. never developed a strategic plan for the negotiations. Agreed to negotiate from an EU text rather than a U.K. one

 

 

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we have spent the last weeks fighting (and losing) over fishing, which represents 0.1 percent of our economy, while accepting that services, which represents 80 percent of our economy and where we have a competitive advantage, is excluded from the agreement

 

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And if we think the Brexit negotiations with the EU itself are over, we are about to be sadly disappointed. We are at the beginning of what will be decades of permanent negotiation with our much larger and more powerful neighbor

 

Edited December 31, 2020 by Hi from France

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

You have omitted the most important fact to your analysis, it was a remainer parliament and as such it turned everything into a stalemate, Mrs May tried to unblock the logjam and failed, Boris was dealt the same hand but he played every card with precision and pulled off the "impossible"

 

Just like Tom Cruise. 

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

so 

 

 

The main points:

1. Overestimating the strength of the UK negotiating position: equally sovereign as the EU, but not sovereign equals
2. Triggering Article 50 before being ready meant = a series of self-inflicted deadlines
3. Choosing theoretical over practical sovereignty
4. destroyed  trust in our commitment by threatening to unilaterally renege on the Northern Ireland Protocol
5. never developed a strategic plan for the negotiations. Agreed to negotiate from an EU text rather than a U.K. one

 

 

 

 

You missed reason 6 the uk had a parliament of remainers including the pm may who held democracy in contempt.

[IvorBiggun2]

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

It's called democracy, that is a word that many remainers fail to accept or indeed understand

They don't want to understand because they think they'd have a better life living in a socialist dictatorship. Somewhat similar to the EU.

[kingdong]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

British members pretending to be euros.

 

I think such a term " euro " is confusing and could be mistaken for the unit of currency of the same name,perhaps the adaptation of " europhile petites" would be more fitting.

[nauseus]

11 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

so 

 

 

The main points:

1. Overestimating the strength of the UK negotiating position: equally sovereign as the EU, but not sovereign equals
2. Triggering Article 50 before being ready = a series of self-inflicted deadlines
3. Choosing theoretical over practical sovereignty
4. destroyed  trust in our commitment by threatening to unilaterally renege on the Northern Ireland Protocol
5. never developed a strategic plan for the negotiations. Agreed to negotiate from an EU text rather than a U.K. one

 

 

 

 

 

Sounds like a solid remainer, this guy.

[luckyluke]

4 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

They don't want to understand because they think they'd have a better life living in a socialist dictatorship. Somewhat similar to the EU.

Add to that that some don't understand the E.U., they think it is somewhat similar to a socialist dictatorship.

[kingdong]

7 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 they think it is somewhat similar to a socialist dictatorship.

Well i certainly didn,t think it was a socialist dictatorship,i always viewed it as a corrupt ( when was the last time a balance sheet was published?) Unelected dictatorship.

Edited December 31, 2020 by kingdong

[Hi from France]

7 minutes ago, kingdong said:

You missed reason 6 the uk had a parliament of remainers including the pm may who held democracy in contempt.

remainers are traitors, that's what you mean?

 

 

Now about the democracy that you claim to defend

• This deal, arguably the most important in British history was passed in one day and without any proper scrutiny. You call that democracy? The Guardian said on the Brexit debate: no scrutiny, no choice
• And as you know full well, if the people of Britain had had the right to accept the deal by referendum, it would very likely have been rejected.
• As the "5 reasons the UK failed in Brexit talks" show, with a bit of thinking, the UK should never have accepted that deal. As far as negotiations come this has been a disaster: From services to industry and even fishing, the deal you are so happy with is a loosing deal.

 

 

 

Now the point of political clumsiness is described for TM ("We should have waited until we knew what we wanted and only then pulled the trigger rather than blundering in without knowing our desired end point.") but also albeit differently for BJ ("We willfully destroyed the EU’s trust in our commitment to implement what we had already agreed by threatening to unilaterally renege on the Northern Ireland Protocol. No. 10 reportedly thought they could provoke a crisis and thereby give themselves the whip hand as the EU panicked. Instead the EU kept calmly ploughing on and achieved its objectives while we wasted time on silly tactical games. We were forced to back down before we could sign the FTA, so we made no substantive gain")

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/5-reasons-uk-failed-brexit-talks/

[luckyluke]

4 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Well i certainly didn,t think it was a socialist dictatorship,i always viewed it as a corrupt ( when was the last time a balance sheet was published?) Unelected dictatorship.

 

There is no reason why you shouldn't have a proper opinion ( and express it ) on every possible matter.

[kingdong]

Just now, luckyluke said:

 

There is no reason why you shouldn't have a proper opinion ( and express it ) on every possible matter.

I only express opinion on matters of personal interest,or do i detect sarcasm in your comment?

[Scott]

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[luckyluke]

4 minutes ago, kingdong said:

I only express opinion on matters of personal interest,or do i detect sarcasm in your comment?

 

No sarcasm, just pointing that everyone is allowed to have an opinion and express it.

After all, it is only a point of view with no really value.

Well this is at least what I think about my opinions.

Maybe there are some who consider their opinion as being ones  of high value.

[luckyluke]

Just now, kingdong said:

You described it perfectly

 

Never thought that someone would describe the E.U., as delicate and lovely.

That's rather cute, I am surprised.

[Rimmer]

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