Thai hospital banned from offer to sell COVID-19 vaccine

[tgw]

8 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

No. Because a  doctor can prescribe a drug for off label use does not make it appropriate for patient. That is why there are regulators. We have opioid crisis in much of the western world because doctor handed out opioids like candy. Countries like Thailand give antibiotic out easy and now we have super infections. If all doctors  were honest and capable we would not have medical errors or wrongful prescriptions.

 

regulators cannot take decisions on how to treat a patient.

 

doctors make that decision, it's their responsibility. they decide what is appropriate treatment for a patient.

 

doctors can be overruled by higher ranking doctors in their hospital or by the patient getting a second opinion.

 

if doctors didn't follow the protocol, regulators can question their choices and sanction them.

 

it's better to let doctors decide first and sometimes make mistakes and then in case of a problem sanction or regulate them later rather than preventing them from doing their job in the first place.

 

 

[teacherclaire]

In August, Moderna said it was pricing its vaccine at $32 to $37 per dose for smaller deals.

 

And these greedy bastar_s want 10,000 baht!!! 

[oldhippy]

49 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

regulators cannot take decisions on how to treat a patient.

 

doctors make that decision, it's their responsibility. they decide what is appropriate treatment for a patient.

 

doctors can be overruled by higher ranking doctors in their hospital or by the patient getting a second opinion.

 

if doctors didn't follow the protocol, regulators can question their choices and sanction them.

 

it's better to let doctors decide first and sometimes make mistakes and then in case of a problem sanction or regulate them later rather than preventing them from doing their job in the first place.

 

 

Do you think the same about teachers, politicians, insurance sellers, second hand car dealers etc?

 

[Petey11]

3 hours ago, Phuketshrew said:

They never miss an opportunity to profiteer do they?

The AstraZenica jabs will be 3 quid a pop in the UK.

And free, administered on medical priority

[RichardColeman]

6 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

the total cost of getting vaccinated would have been 10,000 baht ($330).

In August, Moderna said it was pricing its vaccine at $32 to $37 per dose for smaller deals.

Good mark up !

[Jeffr2]

5 hours ago, Don Chance said:

In 4-6 weeks clinic in the USA should have Moderna or Pfizer vaccine in stock. That means you can fly to Las Vegas and get a shot for $50. Go down to Mexico for 4 weeks come back and get you last shot.

There is no way you'll be able to fly to the US and get a jab.  Perhaps in May, but not in 4-6 weeks.  They are very strict there with regards to who get the jab. 

 

Some guy walked into a hospital and offered $25k for a jab.  He was turned away.

 

Not to mention that Mexico is not the best place to be right now...nor is the US.  One person is dying every 10 minutes from CV19 in California.

[faraday]

7 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Which raises the question: Should some people be protected against themselves? Particularly, if they may cause damage to not just theirselves, but to others too?

 

The Mental Health Act covers most of that, in the UK.

 

[cedel]

Here are the real cost prices for the belgian government per dose....

This tweet has been shared shortly by mistake by a belgian minister, then withdrown....

Edited December 27, 2020 by cedel

[dcnx]

6 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

If Thailand is to  protect itself it will have to make vaccine free with no profit taking by hospitals. If hospitals use this to make money, the poor people will not be vaccinated. This means that no recovery for tourism, restaurants, factories, and agriculture. 

This is key. Tourism won’t recover unless there’s mass vaccinations in Thailand.

[overherebc]

9 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Anyone else believe that is just robbery in daylight? Regardless of the hospital mark up?

They will be selling hundreds of millions and that is the best price they can come up with per dose?

Gonna be several billion people a bit short of the payment needed.

This should be free to all, paid for by their governments, especially in those countries dependent on tourism.

With hospitals heavily penalised for further up pricing it in the private sector.

I reckon the Chinese should pay for it.

[Jeffr2]

7 minutes ago, dcnx said:

This is key. Tourism won’t recover unless there’s mass vaccinations in Thailand.

I think mass vaccinations in the rest of the world is more important.  Thailand has done pretty good with regards to controlling the virus.  Many other countries have failed miserably.

[scorecard]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

I think mass vaccinations in the rest of the world is more important.  Thailand has done pretty good with regards to controlling the virus.  Many other countries have failed miserably.

True, but look what's happened in the last 10 days, a further outbreak, affecting a lot of Thai people.

 

Same has happened here in the Northern Beaches just above Sydney. Also in the UK and several European countries. 

 

Clearly such outbreaks will continue and fast mass vaccination of the whole world appears to be the only 'answer' at the moment.

 

Also meaning that manufacturers should get whatever manufacturing support that could lift their production numbers.  

[scorecard]

9 hours ago, NE1 said:

Means we got caught......

Also means hospital snr. management discussions never broader than flashing Baht numbers re:

 

- Highest possible revenue, with

- Highest possible profit margin.

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

Taking the <deleted> they were, 4000 baht reservations for a vaccination in October of 2021 possibly.  Shamefully a money grab in order to purchase a large quantity from Moderna was needed.  I would wonder how much they already took on from rich people panic buying.

[AhFarangJa]

10 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

As the first governments begin vaccine rollouts around the world, questions have been raised over how the limited supplies are prioritised and whether people will be able to pay to jump the queue.

Prioritised ?.............That is easy.............Your Government Generals first, along with Families. Then you have the Hi So /Chinese Descendant entourage which includes all the big business, The Armed Farces, Then the "Do you know who I am" Brigade in all local Governments...........Queue ? .........Queue.....? The only queue here will be the remaining lower class people.

That scenario will not only be apparent here though. I also will be part of the lower hanging fruit so I can observe how effective it is, and what side effects may or may not become apparent.

[jesimps]

8 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

They where planning to sell Moderna, which price will be 10 times more when ordering low quantities. So you are talking nonsense.

He wasn't talking nonsense, AstraZenica can be stored in the fridge so that the overheads are very low which makes it a cheap vaccine. However, the article was talking about Moderna, which I assume has to be stored at very low temperatures, which bumps up the selling price. Nothing like the hospital were hoping to charge though.

[MJCM]

10.000 THB ???? our insurance will only cover 100 Euro for it (3600 THB)

[whaleboneman]

16 minutes ago, AhFarangJa said:

Prioritised ?.............That is easy.............Your Government Generals first, along with Families. Then you have the Hi So /Chinese Descendant entourage which includes all the big business, The Armed Farces, Then the "Do you know who I am" Brigade in all local Governments...........Queue ? .........Queue.....? The only queue here will be the remaining lower class people.

That scenario will not only be apparent here though. I also will be part of the lower hanging fruit so I can observe how effective it is, and what side effects may or may not become apparent.

You forgot farang at back of the line.

[Buriramfelang]

9 hours ago, oldhippy said:

In Belgium it will be free for all, Belgians and legal residents (such as my wife, Thai).

 

Australia also

[13thomas13]

Should be free!

[Phaser]

Thailand should quickly approve the two vaccines and start vaccinating.  
 

For me speaking honestly given that I must travel to California in March I would gladly pay for the vaccine in Feb to be protected before having to venture into Covidland and then return to Thailand for a two week hotel quarantine 

[JimHuaHin]

Yet another business seeking to profit from people's suffering.

[Percy P]

10 hours ago, NE1 said:

Means we got caught......

And would they have accepted the side affects of people injected with it.

[Chicken George]

Be good if it was free and available to all here. I see one major problem. Not available for Foreigners for free and not allowed to buy it.????

[ThailandRyan]

One could only hope that our embassies would determine the amount of vaccine needed not only for their staff, but for the number of expats they are aware of living in the country. Once they start to vaccinate staff, it would be nice if we could be vaccinated at the embassy as well on an appointment basis.  But I fear I am just talking out my tush with this post.  Hopeful, but not realistic probably.

[Percy P]

11 hours ago, tgw said:

approved or not, the decision of which medicine can be administered to patients should ultimately be the doctor's.

And who decides the price, the doctor.

[FNQ]

10 hours ago, oldhippy said:

In Belgium it will be free for all, Belgians and legal residents (such as my wife, Thai).

 

Same Australia, free for all Citizens,PR's and most Visa holders.

[nervona81732]

I still can't wrap my head around people want to take vaccines ( out of fear ) that are know to have immediate negative reactions and then what ? The second dose? Hummmm!!! Must be smokin' something.

[Percy P]

40 minutes ago, jesimps said:

He wasn't talking nonsense, AstraZenica can be stored in the fridge so that the overheads are very low which makes it a cheap vaccine. However, the article was talking about Moderna, which I assume has to be stored at very low temperatures, which bumps up the selling price. Nothing like the hospital were hoping to charge though.

And the Government are expecting people to cooperate in killing the virus. 

[kingdong]

11 hours ago, oldhippy said:

QUOTE: If there is a vaccine that works shouldn't everyone have the option to choose,

 

Yeah, and not only the rich.

Power to the people