U.S. government heads toward chaotic end to 2020 as Trump fights Congress

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

McConnell issued a statement after the signing that's silent on the issue of support for any further/additional relief:

 

 

https://www.republicanleader.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/mcconnell-applauds-president-trump-for-signing-crucial-relief-legislation-into-law

Edited December 28, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[ChouDoufu]

3 minutes ago, chilli42 said:

Doesn’t that depend on the outcome of the Georgia senatorial election?  Certainly uncle Joe would look like a hero for doing as you suggest

 

not at all.  pelosi will bring it to vote this week.  any republicans desiring re-election in the future will vote for increasing the check size in a stand-alone bill.  will be difficult to add poison pork pills after they complained about all the irrelevant items added to the last bill.

 

congress does the work, the president merely takes credit.  if the checks are sent after inauguration, probably a certainty now due to trump's latest tantrum, joe will sign the checks and take credit.

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19 minutes ago, chilli42 said:

Putting Trump out of the picture for a moment, that aid bill is a disgrace.  The amount of money being given to those that need it is insufficient.  I would love to see Mitch and the rest of the Republican clowns live on that amount of money for a couple of months.  It is packed full of money that has nothing to do with Covid aid such as aid to foreign countries ... this of course to please Nancy and her meet band of mischief makers.  The voters would be well within their rights to be furious at both parties for playing politics with their tax dollars ... while Rome burned.

As has been attested to by Congressman Peter King, a stainch supporter of Trump, the foreign aid provisions csme fo the Trump administration. As did the provision for making the 3 martini lunch 100% tax deductible for businesses.

[chilli42]

7 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

not at all.  pelosi will bring it to vote this week.  any republicans desiring re-election in the future will vote for increasing the check size in a stand-alone bill.  will be difficult to add poison pork pills after they complained about all the irrelevant items added to the last bill.

 

congress does the work, the president merely takes credit.  if the checks are sent after inauguration, probably a certainty now due to trump's latest tantrum, joe will sign the checks and take credit.

Well certainly a good outcome if that is what transpires.

[Odysseus123]

Let's be brief..What a total duckhead (genus demagogous)

[chilli42]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

As has been attested to by Congressman Peter King, a stainch supporter of Trump, the foreign aid provisions csme fo the Trump administration. As did the provision for making the 3 martini lunch 100% tax deductible for businesses.

Sure, perhaps the provisions are from the current administration.  Truth in politics is difficult to find.  Trump certainly will be an entertaining scape goat.  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

14 minutes ago, chilli42 said:

Sure, perhaps the provisions are from the current administration.

 

Not "perhaps"....  ARE....

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/23/politics/trump-complaints-spending-bill-graphic/index.html

 

Quote

 Truth in politics is difficult to find.

 

To the extent that may be true, the chief reason these days would be that Trump has buried the "truth" on any multitude of subjects under mountains of lies.

 

His above hypocritical complaints on/objections to his own proposed federal budget allocations being just the latest exhibit on a very LONG list.

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[ChouDoufu]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Not "perhaps"....  ARE....

 

 

 

 

To the extent that may be true, the chief reason these days would be that Trump has buried the "truth" on any multitude of subjects under mountains of lies.

 

His above hypocritical complaints on federal budget allocations being just the latest exhibit on a very LONG list.

 

 

but, but, but............looking at the data, we find although a bit of cash was moved between target countries, the overall bill amounts going to foreign countries was LOWER than the administration requested.  and 100 million less for the smithsonian and less on the art museum?

 

i'm gonna havta call shenanigans.

Edited December 28, 2020 by ChouDoufu

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

but, but, but............looking at the data, we find although a bit of cash was moved between target countries, the overall bill amounts going to foreign countries was LOWER than the administration requested.

 

i'm gonna havta call shenanigans.

but, but, but....Pelosi put all that pork in there.  Blame her and the rest of the dems!!! 

[Mavideol]

38 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

not at all.  pelosi will bring it to vote this week.  any republicans desiring re-election in the future will vote for increasing the check size in a stand-alone bill.  will be difficult to add poison pork pills after they complained about all the irrelevant items added to the last bill.

 

congress does the work, the president merely takes credit.  if the checks are sent after inauguration, probably a certainty now due to trump's latest tantrum, joe will sign the checks and take credit.

should expect some delays, they may have to print new ones as the old ones had Trump name on them

[Psimbo]

He had a complete meltdown on Boxing day about the FBI, 'Justice' Dept, and others. If he ever had the plot he's lost the last vestiges of it now. Just a spiteful, sulky, buffoon, making himself look even more ridiculous (if that were possible) by the hour.

 

Its going to be a long 24 days and I'm betting he won't even turn up for Biden's inauguration. 

 

As a side bet I'm willing to put money on Melania dumping him within two years

[Tie Dye Samurai]

4 hours ago, Sujo said:

Looks like trump supporters are waiting for the talkng points before posting.

Yes The Mother Ship....er....Fox Opinion...has not been given Trump's playbook (or script..however you want to look at it) on how to make Trump sound like he is The Benevolent One for getting his crayon out and printing his name on the piece of paper they had to deliver to him at the 19th Hole Bar and Grill.

 

4 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

That would be political suicide for some.  No guarantee they'd vote to overturn a veto...for the first time in his presidency.

Political suicide would be not getting the people their money and benefits while covid rages all around them...

[Tie Dye Samurai]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

She also called on Trump to urge Republicans to end their obstruction and to support the $2000 direct payments proposal Trump made last week -- but I suspect the response will be.... crickets.

 

No it will be the sound of endless tee shots being shanked into the rough, the drink and the deep sand and childish bellowing at secret service agents to strategically position the presidential ball on the green for a 3 foot uphill putt (and Special Agent? Kick that alligator while your at it.)

[ExpatOK]

6 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

ohmygosh!

 

i certainly hope it doesn't affect his lifetime salary, his lifetime full-service medical care, his lifetime secret service protection, his lifetime of security details paying to stay at his hotels and rent his golf carts.....

 

maga, baby, maga!

Trump will get the same benefits all former presidents get.

[candide]

3 hours ago, chilli42 said:

Putting Trump out of the picture for a moment, that aid bill is a disgrace.  The amount of money being given to those that need it is insufficient.  I would love to see Mitch and the rest of the Republican clowns live on that amount of money for a couple of months.  It is packed full of money that has nothing to do with Covid aid such as aid to foreign countries ... this of course to please Nancy and her meet band of mischief makers.  The voters would be well within their rights to be furious at both parties for playing politics with their tax dollars ... while Rome burned.

Foreign aid is not in the covid bill, it's in the omnibus bill. And as mentioned by other posters, most of it put by the current administration according to its budget.

 

"On Dec. 21, lawmakers in both chambers of Congress passed a $2.3 trillion spending package: a roughly $1.4 trillion omnibus spending bill — consisting of 12 different bills to fund the government during fiscal year 2021 — and a separate, approximately $900 billion bill specifically for COVID-19 relief. Lawmakers also passed several other smaller bills."

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/22/facebook-posts/facebook-posts-wrongly-say-covid-19-bill-includes-/

Edited December 28, 2020 by candide

[Phoenix Rising]

47 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

Trump will get the same benefits all former presidents get.

Maybe that's something they can take away when he goes to jail.

[John Drake]

5 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

U.S. government heads toward chaotic end to 2020 as Trump [surrenders to] Congress

 

One interesting aspect, though, is I believe the House of Reps today (Monday) was still scheduled to vote on the $2000 payments proposal that Democrats supported and Republicans opposed.

 

Now that Trump has signed the bipartisan $600 direct payments bill, wonder what's gonna happen to the standalone $2000 payments bill, and what if anything are Republicans in Congress going to do about going beyond the basic $600 amount???

 

My bet... Nothing!

 

Trump barks, then he barfs. SOP. Since Pelosi and the House will pass the $2000 and the Republicans in the Senate will block it, it's time to vote for Democratic sweep in Georgia. Anyone voting against the $2000 in Congress should see their lifetime post Congressional retirement cut to $600/month.

[John Drake]

3 hours ago, chilli42 said:

Doesn’t that depend on the outcome of the Georgia senatorial election?  Certainly uncle Joe would look like a hero for doing as you suggest

 

If I'm in Georgia and someone told me the only thing standing between a $600 check and a $2000 check is voting for two Republican senators that will support Mitch McConnell, who thinks the $600 is coddling people, then I would vote the two Republicans out asap.

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

If I'm in Georgia and someone told me the only thing standing between a $600 check and a $2000 check is voting for two Republican senators that will support Mitch McConnell, who thinks the $600 is coddling people, then I would vote the two Republicans out asap.

Perdue immediately released a video taking credit for helping to pass the $600 check.  But you are right.  Trump isn't helping the GOP look good.  Fingers crossed the dems win in GA.  Mitch needs to go.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

 

If I'm in Georgia and someone told me the only thing standing between a $600 check and a $2000 check is voting for two Republican senators that will support Mitch McConnell, who thinks the $600 is coddling people, then I would vote the two Republicans out asap.

Maybe you would. But as the elections show, there are a lot of people who support Trump despite the fact that they're voting against their economic interests.

[Jeffr2]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Maybe you would. But as the elections show, there are a lot of people who support Trump despite the fact that they're voting against their economic interests.

As you know, GA has done a great job with regards to voter suppression.  Keeping minorities from voting.

[PattayaJames]

29 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Maybe you would. But as the elections show, there are a lot of people who support Trump despite the fact that they're voting against their economic interests.

 

They are not voting against their economic interests if voting for Trump. 

 

[stevenl]

17 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

They are not voting against their economic interests if voting for Trump. 

 

Voting for Trump in a Georgia Senate run off?

[Lacessit]

I'm just wondering what it feels like to be an unemployed American, watching Trump act as a non-leader with COVID-19, then spoiler for the help they should be getting. Swanning off to play golf and fatten his wallet in doing so. In many other countries, the populace would be hanging him from the nearest available lamp-post. In the USA, the ones possibly worst hit by his malfeasance and sociopathy adore him.

Time for a new slogan. Forget MAGA and BLM, drum roll - ALM. As in alms for the poor, or American Lives Matter.

[placeholder]

21 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

They are not voting against their economic interests if voting for Trump. 

 

The latest example of Trump's war on the working class: the Dept. of Labor just passed a rule allowing doing away with the time limit timmped employees, such as waiters could be compelled to do the kind of work for which they wouldn't be tipped. In other words, Mar y Lago's dining facilities just got workers to work for sub-minimum wages..

And how about the time during the pandemic when the Trump administration got it passed that employers, such as slaughterhouses, couldn't be held liable if their employees got sick. Of course, that meant that employees couldn't get unemployment if they chose not to put themselves in danger. They were just dying to work.

[placeholder]

29 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

They are not voting against their economic interests if voting for Trump. 

 

50 reasons the Trump administration is bad for workers

President Trump has said he would ‘protect’ and ‘fight for’ workers. Instead, his administration has systematically done the opposite.

50 reasons the Trump administration is bad for workers: President Trump has said he would ‘protect’ and ‘fight for’ workers. Instead, his administration has systematically done the opposite. | Economic Policy Institute (epi.org)

[PattayaJames]

30 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The latest example of Trump's war on the working class: the Dept. of Labor just passed a rule allowing doing away with the time limit timmped employees, such as waiters could be compelled to do the kind of work for which they wouldn't be tipped. In other words, Mar y Lago's dining facilities just got workers to work for sub-minimum wages..

And how about the time during the pandemic when the Trump administration got it passed that employers, such as slaughterhouses, couldn't be held liable if their employees got sick. Of course, that meant that employees couldn't get unemployment if they chose not to put themselves in danger. They were just dying to work.

 

Why bring Mar a largo into it?

You think Trump is making decisions for the country based on his service staff costs. 

Try thinking of the bigger picture.

Anyways, so long as you are bashing Trump you are happy at least.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Eric Loh]

Trump and his loyal supporters need to realize that the election is lost and they have to stop fantasizing there is still a remote possibility of upturning the election. His allies are moving along and leaving behind Trump’s foolish false expectation. 

New York Post turns on Trump..... “stop the insanity...you lost”.

 

Loyal Trump supporter Geraldo Riveria had enough of Trump. Call him a frat boy. Ouch!

 

https://www.thewrap.com/geraldo-rivera-trump-has-acted-like-an-entitled-frat-boy-since-losing-election/

[Agusts]

I read somewhere the $600/month is for anyone with annual income less than $75,000...!? I thought the help needs to go to people who are effected by covid19 situation, lost job or income due to that or somewhat effected by it, what would just anyone who has $75k income already (or $6250/month) should receive this money...!?

 

I'm sure I'm missing something but is that correct...!? ????

 

[malibukid]

$600 will buy you one week at a Motel 6.  whoopee