Brexit is Britain punishing itself, France's Beaune says

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You frequently make reference to Germany and WW2, yet as we see once again in this post your knowledge of the actual history to which you refer is more than a little lacking.

 

I guess it’s not something that got much coverage in those post war black and white war movies:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations

My dad got sod all, neither did my mum bombed out family..

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Do you not understand what democracy is all about?

 

In an election or a referendum every eligible person has the right to vote and those who get the most votes are called the winners and get to choose which way they want to go.

 

The Leavers won the referendum with about 52 to 48% of the votes cast.  The fact that many people couldn't be bothered to vote means for the purpose of a referendum or an election that they don't count.

 

This is something that the Remainers keep banging on about. If you want YOUR vote to influence the outcome, then YOU have to cast it. If you don't, then it is your problem if you don't  like the result.

I agree, voting (and not voting) have consequences.

 

The consequences are only now revealing themselves.

 

Enjoy.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

Nice rant. Doesn't alter the reality of what I posted one iota.

 

And you continue to be very selective in your use of the word 'democracy', you steadfastly refuse to condemn the very anti-democratic electoral fraud that took place.

Eh, link please........................?

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, transam said:

My dad got sod all, neither did my mum bombed out family..

They were not alone.

 

That doesn’t change the fact your claim was categorically wrong.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, transam said:

My dad got sod all, neither did my mum bombed out family..

So you were expecting a direct money transfer from the German government to each individual in the UK instead of government to government??

 

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

They were not alone.

 

That doesn’t change the fact your claim was categorically wrong.

That's probably the reason for the lame diversions.

[Blue Muton]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

Eh, link please........................?

Go look it up, I've posted it enough times already, it's on the Electoral Commission's website. had it not been for the rules surrounding advisory referenda, the seriousness of the fraud would have been sufficient for them to have declared the result void.

[david555]

18 hours ago, petermik said:

aaw our beloved neighbours getting there knickers in a twist once more....bye bye we're out ????

????????

[onthedarkside]

Various off-topic and trolling posts have been removed.

 

[luckyluke]

41 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

The UK, we shall see, good or bad, better to be out of it.

regards Worgeordie

 

A personal opinion is always interesting to read.

[Sir Dude]

Firstly, who cares what the French Junior Minister for EU Foreign Affairs thinks? A non-entity position that merely tows the line of the collective. He looks like officialdom's answer to Ed Sheeran.

Secondly, Brexit is the enaction of democratic will and it's important that it gets done in these illiberal times, despite the "It's not fair" crybabies, as that's the rub with democracy (you don't always get the answer you want).

Thirdly, a good lesson to take away from all this regarding referendums is that you should be careful what you ask the average person in the street ... as you might not like the answer despite what the ajenda driven mainstream media and social thought police media think.

As an aside, freedom and sovereignty always have a price which is something people have forgotten. It's about more than just numbers/money and your personal convenience, you know.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Errrrm, was you on the "otherside" of the war ?

I wasn’t born until long after the war, and as I’ve said many times, I had no part in and claim no part of it.

[RichardColeman]

3 hours ago, kamahele said:

You do realize that the United States is 50 separate states  with their own governments and laws which also must obey the laws of the federal government  and each state gets a certain amount of votes in the Congress right? Started as 13 separate colonies with their own governments, laws, money etc. and bound together as one for two and a half centuries.

Ah, so you want a federal Europe, got it. That won't go down well.

 

And you think the USA would give up sovereignty to be outvoted by Mexico and Colombia to have its fences and immigration barriers  removed ? dream on.

 

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Blue Muton said:

Nice rant. Doesn't alter the reality of what I posted one iota.

 

And you continue to be very selective in your use of the word 'democracy', you steadfastly refuse to condemn the very anti-democratic electoral fraud that took place.

It wasn't a rant despite you claiming it was.

 

And which very anti-democratic electoral fraud was that?

 

Don't you have a link to it?

[transam]

1 hour ago, Blue Muton said:

Go look it up, I've posted it enough times already, it's on the Electoral Commission's website. had it not been for the rules surrounding advisory referenda, the seriousness of the fraud would have been sufficient for them to have declared the result void.

Just the link will do...

[Blue Muton]

31 minutes ago, transam said:

Just the link will do...

here's one.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/vote-leave-fined-and-reported-to-police-by-electoral-commission-brexit

 

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

here's one.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/vote-leave-fined-and-reported-to-police-by-electoral-commission-brexit

 

 

    Its not serious enough to invalidate the result 

Vote Leave has been fined £61,000 and reported to the police by the Electoral Commission after the watchdog found “significant evidence” of coordination with another campaign group, BeLeave.

The watchdog said it had imposed punitive fines on Vote Leave because it said the group had refused to cooperate fully with its investigation and declined to be interviewed. Its former chief executive, Matthew Elliott, had previously alleged it was the Electoral Commission that had refused to cooperate. Vote Leave called the findings “wholly inaccurate”.

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

here's one.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/vote-leave-fined-and-reported-to-police-by-electoral-commission-brexit

 

I just knew it would be from the Guardian......

 

Can I assume Brexit was cancelled because of this revelation.....?

[CorpusChristie]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

I just knew it would be from the Guardian......

 

Can I assume Brexit was cancelled because of this revelation.....?

 

   I have read so many Gaurdian articles, all through links on here , that they are now asking me for a donation because Im now a regular reader !!!!!!

You’ve read 

23 articles

 in the last year. And you’re not alone; millions have turned to the Guardian for vital, independent, quality journalism throughout a turbulent and challenging 2020. Readers in 180 countries, including Thailand, now support us financially.

, 

[473geo]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   I have read so many Gaurdian articles, all through links on here , that they are now asking me for a donation because Im now a regular reader !!!!!!

You’ve read 

23 articles

 in the last year. And you’re not alone; millions have turned to the Guardian for vital, independent, quality journalism throughout a turbulent and challenging 2020. Readers in 180 countries, including Thailand, now support us financially.

, 

That would suggest headlines for clicks 'journalism', they too are not alone ????

[Sujo]

24 minutes ago, transam said:

I just knew it would be from the Guardian......

 

Can I assume Brexit was cancelled because of this revelation.....?

You have a problem with the accuracy of the fine and the reasons?

Or are you just annoyed that they reported it?

Edited January 1, 2021 by Sujo

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

You have a problem with the accuracy of the fine and the reasons?

Or are you just annoyed that they reported it?

 

  It was quite an insignificant news story , Two groups with the same opinion working together .

Not sure why thats not allowed 

[vogie]

14 minutes ago, Sujo said:

You have a problem with the accuracy of the fine and the reasons?

Or are you just annoyed that they reported it?

He also criticised the watchdog's handling of the case.

"The Electoral Commission's case was based on an incorrectly ticked box on an application form - something that it had been aware of for over two years and had not been raised in two previous investigations," his statement said.

"Yet the commission still saw fit to issue an excessive fine and to spend almost half a million in taxpayer cash pursuing me through the courts.

"This raises serious questions about its conduct both during and after the referendum."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49048431

 

 

[Thingamabob]

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Do you understand what this thread is about ?

Read the thread headline for a clue.

 

He's not very bright, to say the least 

[Blue Muton]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

He also criticised the watchdog's handling of the case.

"The Electoral Commission's case was based on an incorrectly ticked box on an application form - something that it had been aware of for over two years and had not been raised in two previous investigations," his statement said.

"Yet the commission still saw fit to issue an excessive fine and to spend almost half a million in taxpayer cash pursuing me through the courts.

"This raises serious questions about its conduct both during and after the referendum."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49048431

 

 

Of course that's what they would claim!

 

Didn't stop them withdrawing their appeal.

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Blue Muton said:

Of course that's what they would claim!

 

Didn't stop them withdrawing their appeal.

 

"Darren Grimes: Brexit campaigner wins appeal against £20,000 fine"

[Thingamabob]

4 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Whatever, it's happened and the man in the street will be paying taxes for it for decades. Can't see the UK recovering economically for at least five more years, and that's only if the Tories gets rid of Johnson and his useless ministers in 2021.  As for NI, Wales, and Scotland, who cares...

Don't worry. Boris just keeps on winning, from being twice elected mayor of London, to being elected head of his party, to achieving an 80 seat majority in a general election, and now a 300 plus majority in parliament for his Brexit deal, plus a couple of other wins I've missed. 

[Blue Muton]

51 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

    Its not serious enough to invalidate the result 

 

You're entitled to express whatever opinions you like, however your above opinion is factually incorrect.

 

Advisory referenda can not be voided through breaches in electoral law. That is a fact.

 

The offences committed by the leave campaign incurred multiple maximum fines and were described by the head of the Electoral Commission as extremely serious, I would assume that he has more knowledge of electoral law than you or I do. He also indicated that, had the referendum been binding it may well have been declared void.

[Blue Muton]

8 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

"Darren Grimes: Brexit campaigner wins appeal against £20,000 fine"

Not the same case, which you'd know if you'd bothered to research it properly. Using a large bold font won't make it so either.

[Blue Muton]

1 hour ago, transam said:

I just knew it would be from the Guardian......

One could equally say "I just new that the anti-EU rags wouldn't want to report it, n'est ce pas?.......