Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account, cites 'incitement of violence' risk

[GrandPapillon]

let's see how you guys react when Twitter shutdowns the account of the next "whistle blower", and the freedom of speech rights will be invoked all over the place

 

this is a very dangerous trend, you can't deny it, even if you don't like the Twitter account

 

it's definitely a political statement, quite ironic in some ways since Republicans have been wanting to limit Twitter, Facebook etc... stand on "free speech"

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

let's see how you guys react when Twitter shutdowns the account of the next "whistle blower", and the freedom of speech rights will be invoked all over the place

 

Trump's account was suspended ultimately not for speaking mere ideas, but instead for inciting violence and insurrection.  I think you'll find anyone of any political persuasion who does that in the U.S. is likely to meet the same fate.

 

He had 50 states and 60+ lawsuits to try to prove his case, and he lost... Time to collect his scattered marbles and go home. Had he done that, he could have walked away relatively unscathed... But he just couldn't stop...

 

 

Edited January 9, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[GrandPapillon]

news organization are also private businesses, and can self-censor themselves, yet if they had fired one of their news reporter for telling the truth, everyone would be invoking his right to free speech etc... and be outraged by such actions

 

yet here, Twitter is doing the same, and nobody is outraged? that's just say a lot about where you stand on "free speech", you don't get to choose which platform or which channel you support.

 

You are either for it, or against it, no matter what.

Edited January 9, 2021 by GrandPapillon

[Opl]

10 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

let's see how you guys react when Twitter shutdowns the account of the next "whistle blower", and the freedom of speech rights will be invoked all over the place

 

this is a very dangerous trend, you can't deny it, even if you don't like the Twitter account

 

it's definitely a political statement, quite ironic in some ways since Republicans have been wanting to limit Twitter, Facebook etc... stand on "free speech"

Trump takes no responsibility for the consequences his words might cause, with 88M followers, sanitary filters need to do the job. Too much free speech kills free speech.

Absolute authority + zero responsibility= Trumpism

Edited January 9, 2021 by Opl

[Walker88]

Just now, GrandPapillon said:

news organization are also private businesses, and can self-censor themselves, yet if they had fired one of their news reporter for telling the truth, everyone would be invoking his right to free speech etc... and be outraged by such actions

 

yet here, Twitter is doing the same, and nobody is outraged? that's just say a lot about where you stand on "free speech", you don't get to support which platform or which channel you support. You are either for it, or against it, no matter what.

 

I think you are confused about what free speech means. Others have pointed that out to you, but it seems the concept is difficult for you. It isn't that nuanced, but you will have to figure that out.

 

The very site you are on now can 1) remove your posts without your consent, and 2) suspend or ban you completely. You agreed to those terms when you accepted membership. Twitter is no different and can do whatever they please regarding both Tweets and membership.

 

As for outrage, I guess that's in short supply. Most people are outraged that a sitting POTUS incited violence against the govt he ostensibly leads, and against the Constitution he swore to defend. Twitter analyzed the situation and concluded, rightly, based on Twitter employees surfing sites known to be frequented by radical 45 terrorists, that what 45 was Tweeting was being interpreted in ways likely to result in violence. Since they are not a govt entity, but rather a private company, and they have rules to which everyone who subscribes must abide by, Twitter had every right to ban 45 permanently from their site.

 

Similarly, Google had the right to halt the download of the parler platform, because it is being used to organize new terrorism against elected officials and govt offices. Apple has demanded parler remove all posts that are inciting insurrection and violence, lest they also halt the ability to download the platform from its store.

 

 

[GrandPapillon]

14 minutes ago, Opl said:

 

 

7 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

 

I think you are confused about what free speech means. Others have pointed that out to you, but it seems the concept is difficult for you. It isn't that nuanced, but you will have to figure that out.

 

 

private organizations can limit "Free Speech" all they want, we know that. Still they are taking away your ability to free speech and your constitutional rights for it. That's all. Not illegal, but their actions is limiting your ability to free speech, and somehow you seem ok with that.

 

So if you believe or defend "Free speech" and that constitutional right, you shouldn't be happy on Trump suspended account, au contraire. And I think that says a lot for all defending Twitter actions.

[Walker88]

2 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

 

private organizations can limit "Free Speech" all they want, we know that. Still they are taking away your ability to free speech and your constitutional rights for it. That's all. Not illegal, but their actions is limiting your ability to free speech, and somehow you seem ok with that.

 

So if you believe or defend "Free speech" and that constitutional right, you shouldn't be happy on Trump suspended account, au contraire. And I think that says a lot for all defending Twitter actions.

 

Again, nobody has a 'constitutional right' to speak freely on a private platform. Twitter, like TVF, is private. They can do whatever they wish.

 

It isn't hard to understand; you just have to want to understand.

 

 

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

 

private organizations can limit "Free Speech" all they want, we know that. Still they are taking away your ability to free speech and your constitutional rights for it. That's all. Not illegal, but their actions is limiting your ability to free speech, and somehow you seem ok with that.

 

So if you believe or defend "Free speech" and that constitutional right, you shouldn't be happy on Trump suspended account, au contraire. And I think that says a lot for all defending Twitter actions.

Trump was trying to make Twiiter at all responsible for the content of the messages on their platforms. So they had no choice but to ban someone who touted dangerous lies and was inciting violence.

[Walker88]

The 'community' of Reddit called r/donaldtrump has been erased from the Reddit platform, per the following:

 

it's a bad day for terrorists, fascists, and those who would incite violence, a Venn Diagram that happens to include the namesake of that Reddit community

 

I guess there's always a soapbox in some corner of a public park. He could feed some pigeons while he's there, as that would finally add some value.

 

 

[placeholder]

6 hours ago, scammed said:

well, to specify, if a link confirm my claim, it will be deleted.

i predict you will never see placeholder post my link,

its going to get taken down

Here's a link to the actual tweet. Not the dishonestly edited version that you posted:

(20) Governor Kate Brown on Twitter: "The massive and non-violent protests led by Black Lives Matter activists have inspired the nation. Let’s get to work and make this vision a reality." / Twitter

Edited January 9, 2021 by placeholder

[placeholder]

6 hours ago, scammed said:

sent, but i can again predict your link will be deleted,

its predictable, i base my prediction on statistics

As for that ridiculous so-called antifa flyer included in your image of Governor Brown's tweet:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/antifa-flyers-call-for-the-murder-of-white-children/

How could anyone be so gullible as to believe an obvious fake like that?

Edited January 9, 2021 by placeholder

[Sujo]

27 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

 

private organizations can limit "Free Speech" all they want, we know that. Still they are taking away your ability to free speech and your constitutional rights for it. That's all. Not illegal, but their actions is limiting your ability to free speech, and somehow you seem ok with that.

 

So if you believe or defend "Free speech" and that constitutional right, you shouldn't be happy on Trump suspended account, au contraire. And I think that says a lot for all defending Twitter actions.

And yet trump himself just signed an executive order that means he must be banned from twitter and fb etc.

 

Jeez you really need to do some reading of what the constitution means and what are the rights of media platforms.

 

Please do some reading. Twitter acted within the constitution. If you disagree then write to trump and ask him to amend it, again. But be quick, hes out soon.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

I think it's an over-reaction, taking away his constitutional right to express himself on Twitter, and now Nancy has gone full crazy ????

 

you have to admit it's a splendid exit for a POTUS ????

It's going to be the most ignominious exit for any President in the history of the USA, immediately followed by a raft of civil and criminal legal actions as soon as his immunity is gone. And every lawyer representing him will be demanding fees in advance, knowing his record with contractors.

Since when did anyone have a constitutional right to express themselves on a privately owned platform? That's like saying I can walk into any factory without safety glasses, a helmet, or hi-vis clothing, because it is denying me my personal freedom.

[Opl]

31 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

 

private organizations can limit "Free Speech" all they want, we know that. Still they are taking away your ability to free speech and your constitutional rights for it. That's all. Not illegal, but their actions is limiting your ability to free speech, and somehow you seem ok with that.

 

So if you believe or defend "Free speech" and that constitutional right, you shouldn't be happy on Trump suspended account, au contraire. And I think that says a lot for all defending Twitter actions.

 

Do you consider that Trump promoting conspiracy theories / inciting mobs to protest via his twitter account is exercising Free speech as an Individual, or giving the official U.S Government statement ?

 

[ThaidDown]

36 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

 

private organizations can limit "Free Speech" all they want, we know that. Still they are taking away your ability to free speech and your constitutional rights for it. That's all. Not illegal, but their actions is limiting your ability to free speech, and somehow you seem ok with that.

 

So if you believe or defend "Free speech" and that constitutional right, you shouldn't be happy on Trump suspended account, au contraire. And I think that says a lot for all defending Twitter actions.

When you signed up to Facebook, Twitter, TVF and all the other such sites you agreed to their terms and conditions. In doing so you voluntarily agreed to limit your 'freedom of speech'  so they are taking nothing away, you agreed to it,

 

If you want to fully exercise your rights to free speech you need your own site with your own rules.

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, Virt said:

 

Point taken. 

 

It's their right to remove people from their platforms. 

 

I was just questioning if it was the right decision. 

 

 

He is planning a coup through their platform, so they made the right decision.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

let's see how you guys react when Twitter shutdowns the account of the next "whistle blower", and the freedom of speech rights will be invoked all over the place

 

this is a very dangerous trend, you can't deny it, even if you don't like the Twitter account

 

it's definitely a political statement, quite ironic in some ways since Republicans have been wanting to limit Twitter, Facebook etc... stand on "free speech"

Not ironic at all. It would be ironic if the Republicans were pushing for limitations on free speech on Twitter.

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

Trump might sound like an irrational fool on Twitter, but it's his right to be,

He has no rights on Twitter.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

news organization are also private businesses, and can self-censor themselves, yet if they had fired one of their news reporter for telling the truth, everyone would be invoking his right to free speech etc... and be outraged by such actions

 

yet here, Twitter is doing the same, and nobody is outraged? that's just say a lot about where you stand on "free speech", you don't get to choose which platform or which channel you support.

 

You are either for it, or against it, no matter what.

Would the occasion ever arise where it would be possible to fire Donald Trump for telling the truth?

[placeholder]

43 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

 

private organizations can limit "Free Speech" all they want, we know that. Still they are taking away your ability to free speech and your constitutional rights for it. That's all. Not illegal, but their actions is limiting your ability to free speech, and somehow you seem ok with that.

 

So if you believe or defend "Free speech" and that constitutional right, you shouldn't be happy on Trump suspended account, au contraire. And I think that says a lot for all defending Twitter actions.

So, do you believe Satanists should have the right to preach in any church?

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Would the occasion ever arise where it would be possible to fire Donald Trump for telling the truth?

Well we know thats never going to be a consideration.

[FritsSikkink]

44 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

 

private organizations can limit "Free Speech" all they want, we know that. Still they are taking away your ability to free speech and your constitutional rights for it. That's all. Not illegal, but their actions is limiting your ability to free speech, and somehow you seem ok with that.

 

So if you believe or defend "Free speech" and that constitutional right, you shouldn't be happy on Trump suspended account, au contraire. And I think that says a lot for all defending Twitter actions.

You still don't understand the constitution on free speech, it doesn't allow you to incense violence.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

news organization are also private businesses, and can self-censor themselves, yet if they had fired one of their news reporter for telling the truth, everyone would be invoking his right to free speech etc... and be outraged by such actions

 

yet here, Twitter is doing the same, and nobody is outraged? that's just say a lot about where you stand on "free speech", you don't get to choose which platform or which channel you support.

 

You are either for it, or against it, no matter what.

If a first rate media source like the Wall Street Journal had a reporter who was alleging massive voter fraud in the 2020 elections, with the same "proofs" that Trump supporters are offering, one would expect him or her to be fired.

[RocketDog]

9 hours ago, placeholder said:

Parler just got a huge boost.

Hmmm. Parler is deleted from Google app store and Apple considering doing same. 

Huge anti-boost I'd say. 

[RocketDog]

2 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

news organization are also private businesses, and can self-censor themselves, yet if they had fired one of their news reporter for telling the truth, everyone would be invoking his right to free speech etc... and be outraged by such actions

 

yet here, Twitter is doing the same, and nobody is outraged? that's just say a lot about where you stand on "free speech", you don't get to choose which platform or which channel you support.

 

You are either for it, or against it, no matter what.

You're trying to make it black and white. It's not, no matter what. 

[RocketDog]

8 hours ago, scammed said:

well, to specify, if a link confirm my claim, it will be deleted.

i predict you will never see placeholder post my link,

its going to get taken down

Give it up dude. You're just digging your hole deeper. There are dozens of linked listed on TVF every single day. 

 

It's unbelievable that you decided to post a link one day out of curiosity and had never seen one on TVF. Did you think you were pioneering something? 

 

Is it possible that the link content has something to do with your failure? Think that through very carefully. 

 

Here's a shocker. You can also attach photos and files with your post. Check it out! 

[placeholder]

12 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

Give it up dude. You're just digging your hole deeper. There are dozens of linked listed on TVF every single day. 

 

It's unbelievable that you decided to post a link one day out of curiosity and had never seen one on TVF. Did you think you were pioneering something? 

 

Is it possible that the link content has something to do with your failure? Think that through very carefully. 

 

Here's a shocker. You can also attach photos and files with your post. Check it out! 

He was referring to links to Twitter.

[Berkshire]

2 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

 

private organizations can limit "Free Speech" all they want, we know that. Still they are taking away your ability to free speech and your constitutional rights for it. That's all. Not illegal, but their actions is limiting your ability to free speech, and somehow you seem ok with that.

 

So if you believe or defend "Free speech" and that constitutional right, you shouldn't be happy on Trump suspended account, au contraire. And I think that says a lot for all defending Twitter actions.

I get where you're coming from.  You're all for free speech that you agree with.  But not so much free speech that you don't agree with. 

 

Twitter should have banned Trump long ago.  But because he was President, they gave him a pass.  Going forward, he's going to be treated like everyone else.  If that offends you...who cares.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I guess Trump folks were finally correct when they kept promising a big "dump" was coming soon....

 

Well, it finally arrived... Trump was dumped from Facebook. Trump was dumped from Twitter. Trump was dumped from Reddit... etc etc....

 

He finally got the dumping he so richly deserved! 

[Thingamabob]

So, back to the swamp with the likes off Biden, Schumer and Pelosi. What a dismal prospect.