Trump may turn to Giuliani again to defend against impeachment

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

i wouldn't say never.  i expect politicians of any stripe will do what politicians do.

 

i suspect if the glove had been on the other foot, if trump had been extolling the virtues of masks, there would have been "resist 45'ers" making dramatic anti-mask speeches and marches for respiratory freedom.

 

really no point in posting individual actions, we'll just have other members posting examples of what guy on the other team have done in the past.  trump supporters will be lining up with links to stuff democrats have done.

I disagree.  People who believe the science behind masks, global warming, vaccinations (Trump has expressed doubt about vaccinations in the past https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-vaccines-autism-links-anti-vaxxer-us-president-false-vaccine-a8331836.html ) etc. would not have turned anti-science if Trump had expressed faith in science.  They would have been less anti-Trump.

[Lacessit]

Giuliani is probably one of very few lawyers he has left to turn to. After the events at the Capitol, no reputable lawyer would want to represent him.

[johnnybangkok]

2 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

when i say "i don't fault the republicans" for using trump to gain and/or keep power, it's not that i find it acceptable.  what i mean is that i don't see them being all that different from the other-color same-same party.  the democrats likely would have been happy to run with trump had he maintained his democratic party registration and said the things they wanted to hear.

 

they (both sides) have spines, they have ethics and morals....just bad ethics.  they are often immoral, not amoral.  they're willing to stand up for what's right, but using their definition, meaning what's right for them or their party.

 

 

Sorry ChouDoufu but I sincerely think the Dems would never have supported Trump or a Trump like character.

Firstly he would never got through the primaries. His abrasive, confrontational style of throwing childish insults at all and sunder would not have been popular with delegates. Also, his mysogyny and blatant racism would have immediately alienated many of the self-interest groups that make up the Dem party meaning he would never have got enough delagates to take a run a the WH. And finally, if for any reason he did manage to get the nomination and the vote to become POTUS, there's just no way in hell they would have stood for all the nonsense we have seen from him in the last 4 years.

It's all a bit of a moot point of course because he chose the party that would tolerate all this bullsh!t but I do put the Dems on a higher moral ground than the GOP (aptly proven over the last 4 years) and genuinely think they would put country before party. It's probably their archilles heal when dealing with the snakes that make up the GOP but rather that than the alternative. 

[Surelynot]

Isn't this close to the definition of stupidity?......Reatedly doing the same thing and expecting a different result?

[Tie Dye Samurai]

3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Here's another MAGA congresswoman flouting the rules.  She should be banned from congress.

 

https://www.denverpost.com/2021/01/12/lauren-boebert-guns-congress-security-stop/

Lauren Boebert causes holdup at U.S. House security, refuses to turn over her bag

GOP congresswoman calls metal detectors a “political stunt”

Members of Congress are allowed to carry guns elsewhere in the Capitol complex, but not on the House and Senate floors. Boebert suggested on Twitter on Tuesday that she had a gun with her that evening.

Why is it I have a feeling this is the one that actually gets her gun out at the capital and uses it...

Edited January 13, 2021 by Tie Dye Samurai

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Why is it I have a feeling this is the one that actually gets her gun out at the capital and uses it...

See some are suggesting  that if every member of the house were sat there with their guns out, ready, on the desks infront of them, none of this trouble would have occurred.........????

Edited January 13, 2021 by Surelynot

[Berkshire]

Shocker, Trump to stiff Rudy!  Seriously, is anyone surprised by this?  We on TV actually predicted this....55555

 

[President Donald Trump is reportedly taking out his frustrations on his personal attorney and longtime friend, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. And he’s doing it in the classic Trump fashion: by refusing to pay him.]

[The Washington Post said Trump is trying to stiff Giuliani, who has spent the past months traveling the country and spreading wild conspiracy theories about the November election on behalf of the president.]

[Citing two unnamed officials, the newspaper said Trump has not only refused to pay Giuliani’s legal fees but has told aides that all reimbursement requests for travel and other expenses need to go through him.]

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-wont-pay-rudy-giuliani-election-legal-work_n_5fffa763c5b6c77d85ecbe46

 

 

Edited January 14, 2021 by Berkshire

[J Town]

Just now, Berkshire said:

Shocker, Trump to stiff Rudy!  Seriously, is anyone surprised by this?  We on TV actually predicted this....55555

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And I've written frequently on this forum that Giuliani knows where too many of the bodies are buried so I thought 45 would never stiff him.

 

I sincerely hope 45 DOES stick it to Rudy so Rudy can return the favor!

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7 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Shocker, Trump to stiff Rudy!  Seriously, is anyone surprised by this?  We on TV actually predicted this....55555

 

[President Donald Trump is reportedly taking out his frustrations on his personal attorney and longtime friend, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. And he’s doing it in the classic Trump fashion: by refusing to pay him.]

[The Washington Post said Trump is trying to stiff Giuliani, who has spent the past months traveling the country and spreading wild conspiracy theories about the November election on behalf of the president.]

[Citing two unnamed officials, the newspaper said Trump has not only refused to pay Giuliani’s legal fees but has told aides that all reimbursement requests for travel and other expenses need to go through him.]

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-wont-pay-rudy-giuliani-election-legal-work_n_5fffa763c5b6c77d85ecbe46

 

 

Trump not paying his bills? There's a real shocker.

This is from the original article:

 

"Trump has instructed aides not to pay Giuliani’s legal fees, two officials said, and has demanded that he personally approve any reimbursements for the expenses Giuliani incurred while traveling on the president’s behalf to challenge election results in key states. They said Trump has privately expressed concern with some of Giuliani’s moves and did not appreciate a demand from Giuliani for $20,000 a day in fees for his work attempting to overturn the election."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-isolated-impeachment/2021/01/13/0595675a-55b6-11eb-a931-5b162d0d033d_story.html

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Perhaps the reported falling-out between Trump and Giuliani means Giuliani won't be on hand for Trump's impeachment trial... well, at least, not as one of his representing attorneys.

 

However, the potential list would seem to be getting shorter and shorter, as Trump has become more and more toxic in the wake of his Capitol insurrection. Most attorneys probably won't want to come anywhere near him.

 

Perhaps Texas AG Paxton will be available.  ????

 

 

[candide]

2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Shocker, Trump to stiff Rudy!  Seriously, is anyone surprised by this?  We on TV actually predicted this....55555

 

[President Donald Trump is reportedly taking out his frustrations on his personal attorney and longtime friend, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. And he’s doing it in the classic Trump fashion: by refusing to pay him.]

[The Washington Post said Trump is trying to stiff Giuliani, who has spent the past months traveling the country and spreading wild conspiracy theories about the November election on behalf of the president.]

[Citing two unnamed officials, the newspaper said Trump has not only refused to pay Giuliani’s legal fees but has told aides that all reimbursement requests for travel and other expenses need to go through him.]

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-wont-pay-rudy-giuliani-election-legal-work_n_5fffa763c5b6c77d85ecbe46

 

 

Good luck with that! Giuliani surely knows where dead bodies are hidden, and he's not the type of guy to be screwed without retaliating.

[Jeffr2]

47 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Trump not paying his bills? There's a real shocker.

This is from the original article:

"Trump has instructed aides not to pay Giuliani’s legal fees, two officials said, and has demanded that he personally approve any reimbursements for the expenses Giuliani incurred while traveling on the president’s behalf to challenge election results in key states. They said Trump has privately expressed concern with some of Giuliani’s moves and did not appreciate a demand from Giuliani for $20,000 a day in fees for his work attempting to overturn the election."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-isolated-impeachment/2021/01/13/0595675a-55b6-11eb-a931-5b162d0d033d_story.html

Not an unusual tack for Trump.  He's done this many, many, many times in the past.  Horrible person.  But I feel no sadness for nut job Rudy.

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1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

Not an unusual tack for Trump.  He's done this many, many, many times in the past.  Horrible person.  But I feel no sadness for nut job Rudy.

I think Giuliani would settle for a pardon.

[Pilotman]

one senile moron defending another,. a delightful synergy 

[RobFord]

This just in!!! Trump won’t pay Giuliani owed legal fees. 555. 

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-wont-pay-rudy-giuliani/?fbclid=IwAR15U2DU6gKi54TpscoNVMw8XSZSYJAxn6uBCZQviRTnDHt0YRuxUZKv3o8

[Susco]

29 minutes ago, candide said:

Good luck with that! Giuliani surely knows where dead bodies are hidden, and he's not the type of guy to be screwed without retaliating.

 

How many times I have read a similar comment in the past year, and I have seen any dead bodies been dug up or falling out of a closet yet

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1 minute ago, Susco said:

 

How many times I have read a similar comment in the past year, and I have seen any dead bodies been dug up or falling out of a closet yet

I believe he means that metaphorically and there is the example of Michael Cohen. He couldn't be bought off by Trump with the prospect of a pardon because he was convicted in a state court.

[bobbin]

40 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Perhaps the reported falling-out between Trump and Giuliani means Giuliani won't be on hand for Trump's impeachment trial... well, at least, not as one of his representing attorneys.

 

However, the potential list would seem to be getting shorter and shorter, as Trump has become more and more toxic in the wake of his Capitol insurrection. Most attorneys probably won't want to come anywhere near him.

 

Perhaps Texas AG Paxton will be available.  ????

 

 

Paxton will probably be indicted himself shortly..

 

Bad optics, but that's never stopped Trump in the past.

[J Town]

1 minute ago, Susco said:

 

How many times I have read a similar comment in the past year, and I have seen any dead bodies been dug up or falling out of a closet yet

Ya ever hear of Michael Cohen? Giuliani would be the corroborating witness.

[Susco]

5 minutes ago, J Town said:

Ya ever hear of Michael Cohen? Giuliani would be the corroborating witness.

 

Of course I have heard about Cohen, and my comment was because when Cohen got charged, the same comments were posted.

 

Fact is that Cohen got convicted, but I'm not aware of any dead bodies that have surfaced

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 minutes ago, bobbin said:

Paxton will probably be indicted himself shortly..

 

Bad optics, but that's never stopped Trump in the past.

 

Indeed!

 

PS - In Paxton's case, he's already been indicted in the past in the case that's yet to have been resolved, and apparently remains under investigation in a separate, subsequent case.

 

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/texas/ken-paxton-protest-austin-texas/269-e2b17eb4-002f-43a1-bc71-b5a712e51f26

 

As both the Trump and Paxton examples prove, it's very difficult to impose sanctions/legal remedies against entrenched politicians, even for clear-cut wrongdoing, in the current hyper-partisan environment.

 

[onebir]

On 1/11/2021 at 12:59 AM, webfact said:

Trump may turn to Giuliani again to defend against impeachment

One liability deserves another

[bobbin]

On 1/13/2021 at 11:40 AM, J Town said:

Several of TV supporters who have gone silent have openly admitted in the past it's all about their stock portfolios/401 k's/pensions. Judas's 30 pieces of silver aka blood money.

Yes most of the TV Trump supporters have gone silent. I think we know the main offenders, heck, they never missed a change to blow the "suspect/stolen election" horn so we saw their TV handles often enough..

 

And maybe it was about the Benjamins for them.. but those 70 million, minus the goofs that showed up at the Capitol, have so far managed pretty well to avoid having to own their stupidity..

 

It's all Trump and his elected running dogs so far (plus the goofs).. It's about time for the citizens who actually went into the voting booths (most Dems used the U.S, Mail) and ticked Trump's name to get the attention they deserve. Where was the due diligence prior to voting for someone to lead the Nation for the next 4 years? Not much in evidence. Just "Trump is my guy!"

[Jeffr2]

41 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

Of course I have heard about Cohen, and my comment was because when Cohen got charged, the same comments were posted.

 

Fact is that Cohen got convicted, but I'm not aware of any dead bodies that have surfaced

Because of his testimony, where the dead bodies are buried, the NY AG is now investigating Trump for several crimes.  Perhaps Rudy could do the same?  Ya never know!

 

Congrats to Cohen!!!

[Bluespunk]

On 1/11/2021 at 1:59 AM, webfact said:

President Donald Trump may turn to Rudy Giuliani to defend him against possible impeachment over his role in last week’s violent siege of the U.S. Capitol, according to two people familiar with the matter.

If that's true then trump is <deleted>

[candide]

2 hours ago, Susco said:

 

Of course I have heard about Cohen, and my comment was because when Cohen got charged, the same comments were posted.

 

Fact is that Cohen got convicted, but I'm not aware of any dead bodies that have surfaced

Well, Cohen did ultimately cooperate and disclose information about Trump, conveniently let his recordings be found, and published a book. It may not have had much impact, but it wasn't good for Trump either.

Unlike Cohen, Giuliani knows a lot about what Trump did as a President, and may have information about abuse of power, treason, etc.. His main problem is that it may be difficult for him to talk without incriminating himself

[J Town]

13 minutes ago, candide said:

Well, Cohen did ultimately cooperate and disclose information about Trump, conveniently let his recordings be found, and published a book. It may not have had much impact, but it wasn't good for Trump either.

Unlike Cohen, Giuliani knows a lot about what Trump did as a President, and may have information about abuse of power, treason, etc.. His main problem is that it may be difficult for him to talk without incriminating himself

PLENTY of dead bodies where "Individual 1" was referenced. If Giuliani corroborates Cohens testimony, "Individual 1" is screwed.

[Susco]

27 minutes ago, candide said:

Well, Cohen did ultimately cooperate and disclose information about Trump, conveniently let his recordings be found, and published a book. It may not have had much impact, but it wasn't good for Trump either.

Unlike Cohen, Giuliani knows a lot about what Trump did as a President, and may have information about abuse of power, treason, etc.. His main problem is that it may be difficult for him to talk without incriminating himself

 

I don't follow those stories in detail, so I was aware of the book, but not if he had much spilled the beans on Trump.

 

I recall he shouted from the high roof, and they all will cooperate to get reduced sentences, but as you say in your last sentence, when start talking they can';t avoid incriminating themselves, because they are all criminals as that is the main reason Trump knew them

[bendejo]

Good morning!  Betcha never saw this coming

Donald Trump just pushed Rudy Giuliani under the bus

 

 

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