U.S. counterterrorism prosecutors probing Trump supporters' storming of Capitol

[Jingthing]

16 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

Why is nobody charging trump? Or are they scared?

It's early yet. He can't even be indicted until January 20. 

[Meat Pie 47]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's early yet. He can't even be indicted until January 20. 

But this time he will

[bendejo]

4 hours ago, candide said:

Not aware they were not allowed to force their way into the Capitole, disrupt a congress session, and get into congressmens' offices, really? Are you kidding?

 

That meatball who was at Pelosi's desk said it was his office because he was a taxpayer.  He claims he just stumbled across it while looking for the bathroom.  This whole thing would have played out quite differently if the congressional chambers hadn't been evacuated.

That guy with the horns, is he in the Village People?  DT seems to be a big fan of them, dances to "YMCA" in front of his crowds. 

 

I keep seeing parallels to the redshirt uprising, remember that guy who told everyone to bring a litre of gasoline to Bkk ?  And now rumor that DT will be out of the US when his term expires, like when the T-man went to the Beijing Olympics and has yet to return. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-responds-to-report-suggesting-trump-will-head-to-scotland-before-inauguration

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/01/05/scotlands-leader-trump-cant-skip-inauguration-and-come-here

 

The WH is openly denying it, which means it is probably true: if it were actually false they wouldn't even respond. 

 

[Jingthing]

11 hours ago, bendejo said:

 

That meatball who was at Pelosi's desk said it was his office because he was a taxpayer.  He claims he just stumbled across it while looking for the bathroom.  This whole thing would have played out quite differently if the congressional chambers hadn't been evacuated.

That guy with the horns, is he in the Village People?  DT seems to be a big fan of them, dances to "YMCA" in front of his crowds. 

 

I keep seeing parallels to the redshirt uprising, remember that guy who told everyone to bring a litre of gasoline to Bkk ?  And now rumor that DT will be out of the US when his term expires, like when the T-man went to the Beijing Olympics and has yet to return. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-responds-to-report-suggesting-trump-will-head-to-scotland-before-inauguration

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/01/05/scotlands-leader-trump-cant-skip-inauguration-and-come-here

 

The WH is openly denying it, which means it is probably true: if it were actually false they wouldn't even respond. 

 

As the days go by more and more is looking very very fishy about what went down on that dark day in American history (and the trump fans are clearly not finished).

 

FBI report warned of 'war' at Capitol, contradicting claims there was no indication of looming violence - The Washington Post

 

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FBI report warned of ‘war’ at Capitol, contradicting claims there was no indication of looming violence

 

 

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[candide]

2 hours ago, candide said:

I agree that some of them were stupid people who just went with the flow. I don't think they have been unaware they were doing something illegal, but they may not have grasped the severity of the offense. However, the ones who have been arrested are likely not these guys.

 

As for the BLM protesters, etc.. they have been arrested too (and in larger number).

Actually, that's the most frightening aspect of this event. It's not surprising that violent extremists get involved in it. What is worrying is that "normal" people, who are just more stupid than others, get scammed to the extent that they participate in a coup without being fully aware of it.

[Virt]

1 hour ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

But this time he will

 

House voting tonight for 25th and tomorrow morning for impeachment. 

 

It's going to be interesting to see what Pence and the Republicans will do. 

 

To be honest I don't think Trump will see the inside of a prison. 

 

That honor will go to those protesters breaking the law the other day. 

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Agreed.  A lot of the protestors need to go to jail.  They knew what they did was wrong and did it anyway. 

 

But some of them were invited into a public building by security guards holding the door open for them.  And others walked through open doors where there was no security presence.  I have some sympathy for those.  Idiots, maybe.  But that's not a crime. 

 

The ones that broke windows, stole stuff, and sat at Pelosi's desk...  Throw away the key. 

 

And on an aside, where was the outrage when protestors were burning down entire neighborhoods last summer?  With deaths and injuries and looting and burnt out cop cars and... and...  Do you figure anyone saw that happening and the lesson they took away was that such behavior would be overlooked?

 

Actually, what a lot of these people, namely the Qanon supporters, believed is that by invading the Capitol, they were precipitating The Storm. You know, when Donald Trump invokes the Insurrection Act, calls out the military, and tries and executes Deep State traitors in their hundreds if not thousands. It may possibly sound nuts to you, but it goes to intent. 

To be fair to Trump, he did debunk the beliefs of the Qanon supporters and never retweeted any of their claims...just kidding.

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, Virt said:

 

House voting tonight for 25th and tomorrow morning for impeachment. 

 

It's going to be interesting to see what Pence and the Republicans will do. 

 

To be honest I don't think Trump will see the inside of a prison. 

 

That honor will go to those protesters breaking the law the other day. 

He may or may not end up in prison but what we do know is that Mr. trump knows that he will be fighting legal assaults for the rest of his life starting January 20. Clearly the chance that he could go to prison is a big part of his motivation for his seditious behavior since he lost the election. He's made it clear that he will do anything to try to stay in power, ethics, the constitution, the good of the country, and the law are not on his radar as concerns. 

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

He may or may not end up in prison but what we do know is that Mr. trump knows that he will be fighting legal assaults for the rest of his life starting January 20. Clearly the chance that he could go to prison is a big part of his motivation for his seditious behavior since he lost the election.

 

I'm curious how this would be handled by the Secret Service.  Could it come down to his protective detail becoming his captors?  They may be his protectors but he is not their boss, they have a command structure like any military or police unit.  He cannot say "you guys go home tonight, I don't want you here."  I also wonder if these guys could possibly be called to testify against him in a criminal trial, regarding things they may have witnessed.  My guess is, hypothetically (of course), if the District of Columbia issued an arrest warrant to be issued, say, after 12:01 PM on January 20th, DC would contact Secret Service (cannot use SS, bad inference there!) and they would have to stand back as the boys in blue put the cuffs on him.

They probably never has to face this situation before.

 

 

Edited January 12, 2021 by bendejo

[Scott]

2 hours ago, bendejo said:

 

That meatball who was at Pelosi's desk said it was his office because he was a taxpayer.  He claims he just stumbled across it while looking for the bathroom.  This whole thing would have played out quite differently if the congressional chambers hadn't been evacuated.

That guy with the horns, is he in the Village People?  DT seems to be a big fan of them, dances to "YMCA" in front of his crowds. 

 

I keep seeing parallels to the redshirt uprising, remember that guy who told everyone to bring a litre of gasoline to Bkk ?  And now rumor that DT will be out of the US when his term expires, like when the T-man went to the Beijing Olympics and has yet to return. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-responds-to-report-suggesting-trump-will-head-to-scotland-before-inauguration

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/01/05/scotlands-leader-trump-cant-skip-inauguration-and-come-here

 

The WH is openly denying it, which means it is probably true: if it were actually false they wouldn't even respond. 

 

Nope.  Scotland won't let him in:

 

Scotland's Leader Says Trump Wouldn't Be Allowed To Visit Under Pandemic Rules

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/05/953627011/scotland-s-leader-says-trump-wouldn-t-be-allowed-to-visit-under-pandemic-rule

 

[shdmn]

8 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Here's how I know it wasn't a genuine coup or attempt at insurrection...  They left their guns behind. 

 

These are the same guys who carried their guns into protests all over the country- wherever it was legal.  DC police reminded everyone before hand that open carry is illegal in the city.  If they were really out for an insurrection, I doubt that firearm laws would have stood in their way.

 

Sure, some of them broke laws and need to be thrown in jail.  Then the authorities need to look at who made it so easy for them, and why...

 

 

 

Rrrright, so it was just a locker room coup?  Some did bring guns,  bombs, and zip cuffs.  Look like a significant percentage of them were wearing body armor including bullet proof vests.  They also built a gallows and beat a cop to death.  Just harmless fun according to you.  ????

Edited January 12, 2021 by shdmn

[Opl]

The mega MAGA mess Trump leaves for Biden to inherit     

Edited January 12, 2021 by Opl

[soalbundy]

20 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Simply amazing that there has not been any sort of breifing by HHS, FBI, Pentagon?

 

So which one of these is Aunt Effa?

 

 

Oh look, dumb and dumber.

[Sujo]

No peaceful transition of power then.

[spiekerjozef]

7 hours ago, candide said:

As for the BLM protesters, etc.. they have been arrested too (and in larger number).

Black Like Me is a book by John Howard Griffin.

[J Town]

6 hours ago, Virt said:

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To be honest I don't think Trump will see the inside of a prison. 

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He will not for federal crimes. But for STATE crimes? SDNY is salivating, waiting for 12:01 p.m. 20 January where he becomes citizen 45. And remember what put Al Capone in an orange jumpsuit? Same thing applies here.

[Virt]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

He will not for federal crimes. But for STATE crimes? SDNY is salivating, waiting for 12:01 p.m. 20 January where he becomes citizen 45. And remember what put Al Capone in an orange jumpsuit? Same thing applies here.

 

I don't know what the difference means.

Are federal crimes things he did as president and state crimes things he did as private business man? 

 

If so yeah its likely that hunting season opens Jan 20 for state crimes, but putting an x president into jail is not going to be easy. 

[Jeffr2]

23 minutes ago, Virt said:

 

I don't know what the difference means.

Are federal crimes things he did as president and state crimes things he did as private business man? 

 

If so yeah its likely that hunting season opens Jan 20 for state crimes, but putting an x president into jail is not going to be easy. 

Federal crimes are at the federal level and can apply to anyone.  Not just presidents or members of the government.  State crimes are brought up by the individual states. 

 

So if he's pardoned for federal crimes, which is all he can do, he's still open to state crimes.  Like the ones being brought against him in NYC.  Which probably won't put him in jail, but will cost him a lot of money.  We'll see as it's going to take years to play out.

 

[Stargeezr]

Wow just saw a huge crowd in Alabama USA most not wearing masks, 2 weeks from now

we will hear of many new cases of Covid virus and after that many more deaths in USA.

  What a bunch of brain dead people. I just cannot believe how stupid so many Americans

really are. But then I do remember just how many supporters Donald Trump still has, so

sorry I forgot about that as well.  What a country.

Geezer

[J Town]

5 minutes ago, Somchai Jackson said:

All of these seditious Trump supporters here in Thailand should be identified, doxxed, and banned from local social media.  As most of these people preach violence they should be thrown out of Thailand too if the Thai government was smart about it.

Unfortunately (as much as I share your sentiment) they have a right to embrace stupidity in Thailand. I have ONE friend who WAS a 45 supporter. He and I were able to talk about facts, and he finally realized what a deadly turd 45 is. I've broken all ties with anyone who supports the loser-in-chief. Some of them were friends of more than 10 years, but they just had a blind spot.

[J Town]

1 minute ago, Somchai Jackson said:

Hopefully there are videos for the police to review of the thousands of right wing traitors and haters of Americas freedoms and liberties like the right to claim what gender you are and the right to report offensive writing to Facebook and twitter to rid these bad fascists from the internet and society.  The police should review and identify all people who took part in these capitol riots and seditious and begin the process of taking them off of the street and put in jails or camps until they can be dealt with severely.  They are all a danger to Americas democracy.

Rest assured, thousands of hours of videos are being carefully reviewed and the bad guys will be charged.

[Jeffr2]

54 minutes ago, Somchai Jackson said:

Hopefully there are vidoes for the police to review of the thousands of right wing traitors and haters of Americas freedoms and liberties like the right to claim what gender you are and the right to report offensive writing to facebook and twitter to rid these bad fascists from the internet and society.  The police should review and identify all people who took part in these capitol riots and seditious and begin the process of taking them off of the street and put in jails or camps until they can be dealt with severly.  They are all a danger to Americas democracy.

The FBI is doing what you suggest.  A lot already arrested and hundreds more being investigated.  Charges for sedition are serious.  They should be worried.  Especially for taking selfies inside the building and posting them online!  Not very smart people...

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

The FBI is doing what you suggest.  A lot already arrested and hundreds more being investigated.  Charges for sedition are serious.  They should be worried.  Especially for taking selfies inside the building and posting them online!  Not very smart people...

Exactly. Doesn't matter at all if many of them are totally divorced from reality because the reality is they participated in a terrorist attack on U.S. democracy. There aren't many more serious crimes than that. But for justice to really be served, the grand poobah ringleader needs to be pay the price too.

 

 

Captiol riots: Justice Dept., FBI have created a sedition and conspiracy task force to pursue charges - The Washington Post

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Justice Dept. investigating sedition and conspiracy charges and any terror links to violent storming of U.S. Capitol

 

The Justice Department and FBI have created a sedition and conspiracy task force to pursue charges against participants in the storming of the U.S. Capitol and are investigating any links to domestic or foreign instigators, officials said Tuesday.

The investigation, one of the largest ever undertaken by the department, includes counterterrorism and counterintelligence facets and has led to charges against more than 70 people and identified 170 suspects to date, acting U.S. attorney Michael R. Sherwin of D.C. said. Those arrest figures are expected to increase into the hundreds, if not “exponentially.”

 

 

Edited January 13, 2021 by Jingthing

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Exactly. Doesn't matter at all if many of them are totally divorced from reality and because the reality is they participated in a terrorist attack on U.S. democracy. But for justice to really be served, the grand poobah ringleader needs to be pay the price too.

 

 

Captiol riots: Justice Dept., FBI have created a sedition and conspiracy task force to pursue charges - The Washington Post

 

Fingers crossed Trump and his inner circle of enablers will pay for this.  Sure would be good to extend it to members of congress who helped spread the voter fraud conspiracy theories.  And should would be good for them to stand up now and say all is well, congrats to Biden.  I know, wishful dreaming.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

As for the role of the Capital Police on the day of infamy:

 

2 Capitol Police officers suspended and at least 10 more under investigation for alleged roles in riot

 

(CNN) Two US Capitol Police officers were suspended and at least 10 more are under investigation for their behavior during last week's assault on the Capitol, and federal agents will look at whether current and former law enforcement officers played a role in the riot.

 

One of the Capitol police officers took a selfie with someone who was part of the mob that overtook the Capitol and the other wore a "Make America Great Again" hat and started directing people around the building, according to Rep. Tim Ryan, an Ohio Democrat.

 

He didn't disclose how many other officers were under investigation but confirmed it was between 10 and 15, and didn't say what they were being scrutinized for except that it was their behavior during the riot.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics/capitol-police-officers-suspended-tim-ryan/index.html

 

 

Edited January 13, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

Wow just saw a huge crowd in Alabama USA most not wearing masks, 2 weeks from now

we will hear of many new cases of Covid virus and after that many more deaths in USA.

 

More COVID related fallout from the insurrection:

 

3rd Member Of Congress Tests Positive For Coronavirus, Blames Capitol Attack Lockdown

 

"At least three Democratic members of Congress have tested positive for the coronavirus this week, blaming their results on their Republican colleagues' refusal to wear face masks during the hours-long lockdown last Wednesday as pro-Trump extremists attacked the U.S. Capitol.

 

"Only hours after Trump incited a deadly assault on our Capitol, many Republicans still refused to take the bare minimum COVID-19 precaution and simply wear a damn mask in a crowded room during a pandemic — creating a superspreader event ON TOP of a domestic terrorist attack," Rep. Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., said on Twitter.

...

"Any Member who refuses to wear a mask should be fully held accountable for endangering our lives because of their selfish idiocy," [Jayapal] said via Twitter. "I'm calling for every single Member who refuses to wear a mask in the Capitol to be fined and removed from the floor by the Sergeant at Arms."

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/12/955976431/rep-jayapal-blames-insurrection-lockdown-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

As for the few remaining "it was just a protest" comments here, note the assessment of now-former Capitol Police Chief Sund:

 

“As soon as they hit the fence line, the fight was on,” Sund said. “Violent confrontations from the start. They came with riot helmets, gas masks, shields, pepper spray, fireworks, climbing gear — climbing gear! — explosives, metal pipes, baseball bats. I have never seen anything like it in 30 years of events in Washington.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sund-riot-national-guard/2021/01/10/fc2ce7d4-5384-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html

 

[Surelynot]

 

Unless you are white of course....that's different.

Edited January 13, 2021 by Surelynot

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

 

Unless you are white of course....that's different.

 

I haven't heard one peep out of any of the Trump Admin. Justice Department HQ prosecutor folks handling the various cases filed thus far that they're charging people under that particular provision.

 

Thus far, AFAICT, it mostly seems to be ticky tacky stuff about illegal entry, theft, damage to property, etc etc.

 

I don't think there's been any charge filed thus far that specifies insurrection or sedition, etc.

 

 

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I haven't heard one peep out of any of the Trump Admin. Justice Department HQ prosecutor folks handling the various cases filed thus far that they're charging people under that particular provision.

 

Thus far, AFAICT, it mostly seems to be ticky tacky stuff about illegal entry, theft, damage to property, etc etc.

 

I don't think there's been any charge filed thus far that specifies insurrection or sedition, etc.

 

 

It must have already been said, but......imagine if this had been a black mob???????