Scottish nationalists set for record majority, boosting independence push

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

How do you know the scots dont want to leave.

 

The evidence will be when they vote. Why dont you want scotland to vote on their future.

You still don't understand that the "UK" agreed to Scotland having a once in a lifetime vote, and not upset the apple cart every few years.

Now please, do try and take that in, and forget Brexit, that was a UK populace vote...????

[Phulublub]

8 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

If the Scots want to remain in the UK then they will vote to do so in a referendum.

If the SNP vexatiously keep on requesting a referendum then the Scottish electorate will remove them from power.

f the SNP (who are standing with a manifesto dominated by having another referendum) win a huge victory in May, what will your conclusion be?

 

PH

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

That has noting twhatever to do with the statement "the Scost" voted to leave.

 

As usual attempting to deflect, obfuscate, misdirect.

 

PH

Who formulated the rules to who could or could not vote in the 2014 Scottish Independence Referendum.

Please enlighten me, I thought you would know.....?

[Sujo]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

You still don't understand that the "UK" agreed to Scotland having a once in a lifetime vote, and not upset the apple cart every few years.

Now please, do try and take that in, and forget Brexit, that was a UK populace vote...????

Hotel california, can never leave.

 

Perhaps the eu should not have allowed the uk a vote to leave it.

 

Those that think scotland should not be allowed to decide what they want can never again complain about them.

[herfiehandbag]

The fact/claim that " non Scots" resident (and voting) in Scotland were responsible for the "no" majority in the 2014 independence referendum is becoming more and more frequently mentioned. How then do some propose to stop that happening again? Some sort of"ethnicity test"?

[Phulublub]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Who formulated the rules to who could or could not vote in the 2014 Scottish Independence Referendum.

Please enlighten me, I thought you would know.....?

wiki seems accuate enough

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Scottish_independence_referendum

 

Still has ZERO to do with the topic at hand.

 

PH

[transam]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Hotel california, can never leave.

 

Perhaps the eu should not have allowed the uk a vote to leave it.

 

Those that think scotland should not be allowed to decide what they want can never again complain about them.

Let me make it easier for you, was it the EU, UK parliament (Westminster),  Scotland's ruling party SNP), or Scotland's collective MSP's....I am sure you can tell me/us....

[vogie]

17 minutes ago, Sujo said:

How do you know the scots dont want to leave.

 

The evidence will be when they vote. Why dont you want scotland to vote on their future.

Why don't you stop making statements you cannot validate.

And how do I know "they don't want to leave", because the voted on it. 

Still waiting with baited breath for your undisputable proof, I feel I may have to wait a long time.

[cleopatra2]

14 minutes ago, transam said:

You still don't understand that the "UK" agreed to Scotland having a once in a lifetime vote, and not upset the apple cart every few years.

Now please, do try and take that in, and forget Brexit, that was a UK populace vote...????

Are you saying that the people of Scotland do not have the basic democratic right to change their mind.

 

[transam]

Just now, cleopatra2 said:

Are you saying that the people of Scotland do not have the basic democratic right to change their mind.

 

The "once in a lifetime" vote was made very clear at the time, now I would assume a lot of thought was put into it at the time to come up with the result, don't you...?

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Why don't you stop making statements you cannot validate.

And how do I know "they don't want to leave", because the voted on it. 

Still waiting with baited breath for your undisputable proof, I feel I may have to wait a long time.

You were the one that made a statement with no proof. I said a vote would prove whether they want to stay or not.

 

what you are saying  is they did not want to leave. Then there was brexit which is no small change. 

 

What i am saying is you have no idea what they want, which a vote can determine. But some dont want scotland to decide what they want for scotland.

 

so no more complaining about scotland.

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

The "once in a lifetime" vote was made very clear at the time, now I would assume a lot of thought was put into it at the time to come up with the result, don't you...?

Brexit is a major change and all uk countries should be given a vote on what they want.

[Sujo]

7 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

Are you saying that the people of Scotland do not have the basic democratic right to change their mind.

 

Thats exactly what some are saying. Then they complain about scotland.

[cleopatra2]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

The "once in a lifetime" vote was made very clear at the time, now I would assume a lot of thought was put into it at the time to come up with the result, don't you...?

You are talking nonsense.

The once in a lifetime generation was a personal opinion not a matter of fact.

 

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

You were the one that made a statement with no proof. I said a vote would prove whether they want to stay or not.

 

what you are saying  is they did not want to leave. Then there was brexit which is no small change. 

 

What i am saying is you have no idea what they want, which a vote can determine. But some dont want scotland to decide what they want for scotland.

 

so no more complaining about scotland.

The Scots voted to stay in the UK, period.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, cleopatra2 said:

You are talking nonsense.

The once in a lifetime generation was a personal opinion not a matter of fact.

 

It is you that is talking nonsense, it is written in the Edinburgh agreement that:

 

According to the legislation, the governments agreed the referendum should: 

• have a clear legal base
• be legislated for by the Scottish Parliament
• be conducted so as to command the confidence of parliaments, governments and people
• deliver a fair test and a decisive expression of the views of people in Scotland and a result that everyone will respect

 

[Phulublub]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

The Scots voted to stay in the UK, period.

No.  The Scots did not.  Period.

 

Those eligiblt and who voted in the 2014 voted to stay.  Not all were Scots.

Not all Scots in the UK were eligiblt tovote - ony those in Scotland.

 

But you know that are are just being argumentative.

 

PH

[Phulublub]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

It is you that is talking nonsense, it is written in the Edinburgh agreement that:

 

According to the legislation, the governments agreed the referendum should: 

• have a clear legal base
• be legislated for by the Scottish Parliament
• be conducted so as to command the confidence of parliaments, governments and people
• deliver a fair test and a decisive expression of the views of people in Scotland and a result that everyone will respect

 

Exactly. 

 

The people in Scotland.  Not Scots.  Not Scots in Scotland.  

 

Thank you for arguing against yourself and making ny case for me.

 

PH

[cleopatra2]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

It is you that is talking nonsense, it is written in the Edinburgh agreement that:

 

According to the legislation, the governments agreed the referendum should: 

• have a clear legal base
• be legislated for by the Scottish Parliament
• be conducted so as to command the confidence of parliaments, governments and people
• deliver a fair test and a decisive expression of the views of people in Scotland and a result that everyone will respect

 

This does not support your assertion

[vogie]

1 minute ago, cleopatra2 said:

This does not support your assertion

My assertion is that the Scots voted to remain and this undisputedly confirms this and why are you not respecting the views of the Scots and siding with the Nationalists.

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

You fail to grasp the entirety of the Scottish problem.....again. The Scots do not want to leave, it is the Nationalists that want to leave, and we all know what Nationalists are like don't we. The Scots voted to remain within the UK and unless you have any evidence to the contrary I would suggest you stop embarrassing yourself with these daily nonsense repetetive posts.

So I'll await your reply with baited breath, no rush mind you.

We wanted home rule in 1979. Must Scots wanted to leave in 2014 and now most people living in Scotland want to leave. They are increasingly seeing the damage that is being done by being stuck in this corrupt union, bled dry for centuries by a parasitic neighbour. 

[Phulublub]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

My assertion is that the Scots voted to remain and this undisputedly confirms this and why are you not respecting the views of the Scots and siding with the Nationalists.

If thos ein Scotland are all "Scots" then why are you so keen to kick those who orginate in other parts of the EU out of England?  By your own definition, they are English.

 

And un the venn diagram of Scots and Scottish Nationalists, almost all the Scottish Nationalist circle would fall inside the Scots circle.  Or are you trying now to tell us that Nationalists are not Scots?

 

PH

Edited February 1, 2021 by Phulublub

[RuamRudy]

37 minutes ago, transam said:

You still don't understand that the "UK" agreed to Scotland having a once in a lifetime vote, and not upset the apple cart every few years.

Now please, do try and take that in, and forget Brexit, that was a UK populace vote...????

You don't seem to understand that democracy isn't a moment in time. When you fail to honour your commitments, don't expect those you lied to to simply accept it. 

[cleopatra2]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

My assertion is that the Scots voted to remain and this undisputedly confirms this and why are you not respecting the views of the Scots and siding with the Nationalists.

Like a said nonsense.

The agreement does not exclude any future referendum or the timing of .

The 2014 referendum delivered a fair test and result. Everybody respected the result by not challenging it's veracity.

Given the fundamental right to change one's mind holding a future referendum does not disrespect the previous result.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

We wanted home rule in 1979. Must Scots wanted to leave in 2014 and now most people living in Scotland want to leave. They are increasingly seeing the damage that is being done by being stuck in this corrupt union, bled dry for centuries by a parasitic neighbour. 

Parasitic neighbour, nice.

[RuamRudy]

Just now, vogie said:

Parasitic neighbour, nice.

Not really nice at all when you consider just how damaging it has been, and when you consider just how desperate they are to subvert the democratic process. 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, cleopatra2 said:

Like a said nonsense.

The agreement does not exclude any future referendum or the timing of .

The 2014 referendum delivered a fair test and result. Everybody respected the result by not challenging it's veracity.

Given the fundamental right to change one's mind holding a future referendum does not disrespect the previous result.

It has been challenged ever since Salmond and Sturgeons signed the agreement. And why can't you respect the wishes of the majority that voted to remain?

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Not really nice at all when you consider just how damaging it has been, and when you consider just how desperate they are to subvert the democratic process. 

I am not very good at multi tasking so I may have to put one of you on hold while I explain to the others that doesn't understand how democracy and indeed referendums work.????

[RuamRudy]

35 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

The fact/claim that " non Scots" resident (and voting) in Scotland were responsible for the "no" majority in the 2014 independence referendum is becoming more and more frequently mentioned. How then do some propose to stop that happening again? Some sort of"ethnicity test"?

 

Why would anyone want to stop the democratic process? The only acceptable means of ensuring a vote for independence is through legal means.

 

I believe that more people are waking up to the reality that Scotland can do so much better if it is freed of the burden of Westminster, but if it goes to a plebiscite then the only way to win it is to convince the majority that this is the case. 

 

Every vote is equally valid regardless of who cast it. 

[Phulublub]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

It has been challenged ever since Salmond and Sturgeons signed the agreement. And why can't you respect the wishes of the majority that voted to remain?

Had you been in Scotland in the aftermath of 2014 you would have known that pretty much everyone did respect the outcome.  But you weren't.  Why can you not respect the wishes of the Scottish electorate who repeatedly vote SNP, whose main platform is for a new referendum now the entire landscape has changed?

 

Will you ever accept that your repeated statement s that the Scots" voted to leave are false?

 

PH