4 hours ago, roquefort said:

The Swedish government has admitted they got the protection of nursing homes (where most of the deaths occurred) wrong.  Their death toll is lower than other European countries that imposed strict lockdowns.

Thank you for your quote Roquefort .

I did say there neighboring countries .

That is Finland , Denmark and Norway . The statement you make is wrong compared to the countries I mentioned . 

10 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The vaccine is effective for a certain percentage of those who take it, be that 70% or whatever and as a result you should not get any symptoms. However what is not fully gauged yet in any studies is whether even if you've had the vaccine you go on then to get the virus albeit without symptoms and still pass it onto others. Similar to those covid carriers who are asymptomatic and have not had the vaccine.

 

Yes, I think the  whole debate is moot. A vaccination prevents infection by killing the virus or preventing it from running amok in the body. If it did not prevent transmission but only suppressed symptoms then it has no long-term benefit at all except concealing symptoms whilst retaining transmission. Which would be not only foolhardy but dangerous because it would conceal who is infected (depending on which symptoms were masked). Worst of all worlds.

 

A test-denier's wet dream.

 

 

4 hours ago, roquefort said:

The Swedish government has admitted they got the protection of nursing homes (where most of the deaths occurred) wrong.  Their death toll is lower than other European countries that imposed strict lockdowns.

 

 

But compared to other Scandinavian countries, it is obvious that Sweden's Government  gambled with their citizens life - and lost......

9 hours ago, Scot123 said:

And there you have it! The big con goes on. Everyone was led to believe getting the  vaccine would = normality what a lie that was. Looks like the uk under lockup till earliest 17th June (15th February was an other lie). We hear herd immunity a phrase used in the very beginning and dismissed in favour of lockup. So dear Thailand stop thinking that a vaccine is the light as there is no light. Looks like Sweeden has had the right idea from the start. This begs the question why risk a vaccine that's been rushed out in months and not years? What are the benifits because now all I see is the risks.

Sweden?

18 hours ago, roquefort said:

The Swedish government has admitted they got the protection of nursing homes (where most of the deaths occurred) wrong.  Their death toll is lower than other European countries that imposed strict lockdowns.

Total European Countries (large & small): 48

Sweden Deaths/million population: 1086

Sweden Placement Deaths/mil: 18th out of 48 European nations

Source: Worldometers Jan 25, 2021

On 1/25/2021 at 9:31 AM, Fex Bluse said:

Yes, the vaccine does not prevent a person from acquiring the virus and becoming a carrier. It should in most cases prevent a carrier from becoming infectious but no guarantee. Ultimately it's to prevent a person from becoming seriously ill because your body should have developed antibodies. 

That is how a traditional vaccine works, yes. But this is mRNA, a type of vaccine that has never been tested before. Average time to develop a "clean" vaccines is 6-10 years. Good luck

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Siriruk_Changrob

 

Didn't take me long to find out who she was....

 

Seems well qualified speak about Covid.

 

On 1/25/2021 at 2:41 PM, davemos said:

Where can i get the pfizer  vaccine in Bangkok?

 

When would be the better question.

 

Probably June 2021 at the earliest.

 

Where: private international hospital.

 

 

On 1/25/2021 at 12:15 PM, Antonymous said:

The article in the OP is about the Pfizer vaccine, which I understand won’t be used in Thailand.

 

There’s another very interesting article from the same source (ThaiPBSWorld) here about India where their huge vaccine push using a locally produced version of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine (which I understand will be used in Thailand), is faltering due to fear of side effects:

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/tears-and-fears-as-indias-huge-coronavirus-vaccine-push-falters/

 

“There are about 80 students in my batch but only two have opted to get the shot,” said nursing student Sakshi Sharma, 21, in Greater Noida.

 

“My friends are saying there will be side effects, that you can even get paralysis.”

 

Just wondering whether the local health folks have searched to find where the 'can even get paralysis' comes from and then taken any action to highlight/convince the local people it's absolutely not true and share some details of why it's not true, including having some highly credible local experts share in debunking the  myth. 

 

And same approach for every conspiracy theory.

 

Just last week-end here in Australia a not small anti-vaccine rally, a number of folks holding up placards saying that the vaccine makes people infertile, but nothing from any health authorities to debunk this claim.