No Brexit bonfire for City of London, but it won't be a 'rule taker'

[7by7]

14 hours ago, Loiner said:

 

Eddie Grant 1982.

 

Who's Eddie Grant? Did you mean Eddy Grant? If so; what is the relevance?

 

14 hours ago, Loiner said:

Why did you invite me to make you shut up?

Why don't you provide the evidence to answer my invite?

 

Because there is none?

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

There is nothing which is anywhere close to the truth in that post.

 

The only 'standing up' he did was in defence of his two EDL mates! Until he changed his mind when the evidence against them was overwhelming and they were convicted.

You just keep apologising for those criminals being publicised by him, rather than swept under your carpet. 

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Who's Eddie Grant? Did you mean Eddy Grant? If so; what is the relevance?

 

Why don't you provide the evidence to answer my invite?

 

Because there is none?

You can check the spelling when you google his hit in 1982. 

 

Provide the evidence?You sound like Whitney Houston in 1987.

[7by7]

6 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You just keep apologising for those criminals being publicised by him, rather than swept under your carpet. 

 

1) He has not exposed one single criminal; ever.

 

2) Unlike your attempts here and previously elsewhere;  I have never apologised for any criminal.

 

3) I have no carpet under which to sweep any criminal.

 

4) Save your praise for the real heroes of the child sex scandals, such as Sara Rowbotham, rather than a toe rag who uses the suffering of the victims and gullibility of people like you to fund his luxury lifestyle.

[7by7]

9 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You can check the spelling when you google his hit in 1982. 

 

Provide the evidence?You sound like Whitney Houston in 1987.

 

Instead of pathetic responses like this; why not, as I have said to you before, shut me up by providing one, single positive benefit to the UK of Brexit?

 

We both know why; you can't find one!

[7by7]

21 hours ago, Loiner said:

You really don’t like what he has exposed to the wider population do you?

He has exposed nothing to anyone; except the gullibility of a very small section of the UK population who fund his luxury lifestyle for him!

 

21 hours ago, Loiner said:

The Rochdale nurse didn’t make any headway until The Times journo latched on to the scandal. 

Correct; but your hero played no part in any of that. He was too busy serving time for assaulting a police officer and other criminal assaults.

 

21 hours ago, Loiner said:

Organisations you like to slag as extreme right wing we’re making local protests, but the details usually censored by the authorities and media. 

 The response of the authorities at the time was a national scandal. But it was people like the Labour councillor Sara Rowbotham who worked tirelessly to expose the men and bring them to justice.

 

Right wing organisations like the EDL only joined in protests once the crimes had been exposed when they saw an opportunity to stir up hate against the Muslim population. They protested, but exposed no one.

 

Certainly not their own members' paedophile activities; 

'Senior member' of English Defence League jailed for sexually abusing 10-year-old girl; 

Senior EDL leader who campaigned against child grooming is convicted of abducting schoolgirl;

Far right ‘hero’ is a convicted paedophile.

 

If they said anything at all it was attempts to first deny the offences had happened, then to deny the men were members. For example: 

The EDL have paedophiles in their ranks but Tommy Robinson evidently doesn’t condemn them

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When Price was jailed, EDL members launched a campaign urging supporters to write to the Prime Minister and MPs to try to “win justice for Richard Price, EDL”. ‘Tommy Robinson supported Price after he was convicted of child porn charges. Apparently, paedophilia is OK if it is an EDL member who is commiting the horrific crime. Later, Robinson hurriedly issued a statement to claim that Price has never been a leader of the EDL, forgetting that back in June 2010 he had published a statement on Facebook naming the management and amongst those names were Price’s, and he was credited for co-founding the group. 

 

21 hours ago, Loiner said:

Like you, they didn’t want the truth out there. 

As can be seen, it is Yaxley-Lennon and his various far right organisations who want to hide the truth; the truth about the paedophiles in their own ranks.

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

He has exposed nothing to anyone; except the gullibility of a very small section of the UK population who fund his luxury lifestyle for him!

 

Correct; but your hero played no part in any of that. He was too busy serving time for assaulting a police officer and other criminal assaults.

 

 The response of the authorities at the time was a national scandal. But it was people like the Labour councillor Sara Rowbotham who worked tirelessly to expose the men and bring them to justice.

 

Right wing organisations like the EDL only joined in protests once the crimes had been exposed when they saw an opportunity to stir up hate against the Muslim population. They protested, but exposed no one.

 

Certainly not their own members' paedophile activities; 

'Senior member' of English Defence League jailed for sexually abusing 10-year-old girl; 

Senior EDL leader who campaigned against child grooming is convicted of abducting schoolgirl;

Far right ‘hero’ is a convicted paedophile.

 

If they said anything at all it was attempts to first deny the offences had happened, then to deny the men were members. For example: 

The EDL have paedophiles in their ranks but Tommy Robinson evidently doesn’t condemn them

 

As can be seen, it is Yaxley-Lennon and his various far right organisations who want to hide the truth; the truth about the paedophiles in their own ranks.

A touch of whataboutery to deflect attention? Which group is it that this man is publicising and why?

[7by7]

34 minutes ago, Loiner said:

A touch of whataboutery to deflect attention? Which group is it that this man is publicising and why?

 

Not whataboutery; the truth. But as you consistently prove; you have no interest in the truth.

 

As far as I am aware, the only thing he is publicising is himself.

 

You've obviously fallen for his self publicity. You've probably even contributed money to help him fund his luxury lifestyle. 

 

NICE LITTLE EARNER Tommy Robinson is UK’s best-funded politician with £1m house and sunken hot tub

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FAR-right activist Tommy Robinson owns a luxury £1million home and has become Britain's best-funded politician after he was jailed last year.

The 35-year-old has reportedly boasted that he received "probably in excess of £350,000" in donations in just two weeks.

 

Money well spent by those gullible enough to give it to him?

 

Carry on defending him if you wish, I've already posted and linked to enough evidence to refute you and show what type of person he really is.

[Scott]

Troll posts removed.  Continue and face a suspension.   If you can't answer a rather simple question, it might be wise to either reconsider your position or not post a response.

 

[7by7]

On 2/4/2021 at 4:33 PM, Loiner said:

Avoiding it again? Which community  gangs are responsible for the multiple grooming and abuse of young white girls?

 

Where or when have I ever denied who was responsible for the appalling abuse committed by gangs of mainly Muslim men? I haven't; ever.

 

What did your hero do to uncover this abuse and bring these men to justice? Nothing.

 

All he did was jeopardise their trials with his breaking of reporting restrictions.

 

You can continue in your gullible belief in all the self publicist says, even helping to fund his luxury lifestyle if you do; but that wont change the truth.

 

I won't be responding to your attempts to defend this violent criminal, fraudster, serial liar and defender of his paedophile EDL mates any further.

 

 

Edited February 7, 2021 by 7by7
Addendum

[Loiner]

55 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Where or when have I ever denied who was responsible for the appalling abuse committed by gangs of mainly Muslim men? I haven't; ever.

 

I won't be responding 

Sounds like you want me to go through your posts and dance for you? Not happening.

 

You say you won’t be responding, but I’m not sure that will be happening either. Sooner or later you’ll be back on your soap box again, slagging off the apologists favourite target. 

[Hi from France]

35 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Sounds like you want me to go through your posts and dance for you? Not happening.

Exactly: that's called sourcing your claims and it's a basic requirement when debating. 

 

Can't you just do that? 

[Loiner]

11 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Exactly: that's called sourcing your claims and it's a basic requirement when debating. 

 

Can't you just do that? 

What sort of debate allows you to trawl the Internet for links to support your statement?

This is a discussion forum, not dissertation marking and source material is not a criteria.

[Hi from France]

3 minutes ago, Loiner said:

What sort of debate allows you to trawl the Internet for links to support your statement?

This is a discussion forum, not dissertation marking and source material is not a criteria.

Taking part in a debate does not just mean saying what you have on your mind. 

 

It means going through the effort of proving your points, taking account things that are true and rejecting things that are false. 

 

 

[Loiner]

2 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Taking part in a debate does not just mean saying what you have on your mind. 

 

It means going through the effort of proving your points, taking account things that are true and rejecting things that are false. 

 

 

I’ve never seen anyone open a PowerPoint or provide links in a debate. Are you trying to make up new rules?

[Scott]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

What sort of debate allows you to trawl the Internet for links to support your statement?

This is a discussion forum, not dissertation marking and source material is not a criteria.

If you are presenting information as fact, then yes, you do need to provide a citation from a credible source.  False or misleading information is not permitted.

 

[melvinmelvin]

12 hours ago, Hi from France said:

Taking part in a debate does not just mean saying what you have on your mind. 

 

It means going through the effort of proving your points, taking account things that are true and rejecting things that are false. 

 

 

 

jeeeeeeeez, give me a b

 

[Hi from France]

15 hours ago, Loiner said:

I’ve never seen anyone open a PowerPoint or provide links in a debate. Are you trying to make up new rules?

as the forum moderator just said, these are just the rules of a proper debate, and there are many readers of our exchanges, so they do need to have a degree of credibility

 

no when you have no facts to back you claim, you need to be clear about that, instead of presenting them as the truth

 

You could start your post with a mention like

"giving my personal opinion here"

 

.

 

 

Edited February 8, 2021 by Hi from France

[Loiner]

11 hours ago, Hi from France said:

as the forum moderator just said, these are just the rules of a proper debate, and there are many readers of our exchanges, so they do need to have a degree of credibility

 

no when you have no facts to back you claim, you need to be clear about that, instead of presenting them as the truth

 

You could start your post with a mention like

"giving my personal opinion here"

Read what he said again. You did not understand, or are trying the standard Remainer twisting trick. 

[Hi from France]

After shares trading in Amsterdam, and the banking authority in Paris, the USA seems to be the biggest winner taking another market, derivative products: swaps in euros are leaving London.

 

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Trading in euro-denominated swaps has tumbled out of London to rival financial centres since Brexit, in another hit to the UK's financial centre.

 

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Euro-denominated swaps trading fell from almost 40pc of the market last July to 10pc last month, according to data from IHS Markit on Thursday, reported by the Financial Times, while trading on US platforms doubled to 20pc. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/02/11/euro-derivative-trading-floods-london-brexit/

 

We might want to check, but I think funds management mainly went to Luxembourg. 

 

Edited February 12, 2021 by Hi from France

[Hi from France]

Update about the "shares trading back in the EU" situation.

 

Transactions have moved, not jobs

 

yet 

 

https://twitter.com/Sime0nStylites/status/1359761050200072192?s=19

[Hi from France]

As well as a more simplistic approach 

 

https://twitter.com/eberlmat/status/1359765155136098305?s=19

[billd766]

On 1/28/2021 at 3:20 PM, Victornoir said:

 

You know, project fear, the easiest negotiation in history, they need us more etc ...
Let's agree that some will never learn.

Those people might well be called Remainers.

[Loiner]

14 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Those people might well be called Remainers.

Most of them posting these days are called Europeans, except for the ones in disguise of course. We can see that in the current posts.

 

Remainers will gradually dwindle away as their prognistications of doom are proven false. The Europeans will go on, and on, and on, as the implications of the EU's Brexit recalcitrance begin to bite in their countries.

[Hi from France]

Cannot quote it correctly here because it is quite detailed

 

Who gains from the UK’s loss?

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the Square Mile’s position as Europe’s premier financial hub had been seen by influential figures in EU capitals and policymakers in Brussels as a dangerous anomaly, posing a risk to the bloc’s economic stability.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/13/london-fights-for-its-financial-crown-but-it-will-be-a-stretch

[Hi from France]

On 2/8/2021 at 9:12 PM, Loiner said:

You (..) are trying the standard Remainer twisting trick. 

please do no forget I'm not a remainer.

 

While I do think the UK was infinitely better inside the UE than outside, I'm not sure you realize what you with this national-populist governement have done when leaving in such a radical and hasty way

 

 

 

 

The most prominent issue is the City and UK financial industry and how much of that industry is coming back to us in the EU

 

a reasonable estimate is :

 

 

reminder: when we say "the EU should be taking back control of its financial industry" we are reasonably talking about taking back

 

25% of :

• a 750 billions industry
• more than one million jobs

yum

 

 

 

 

if you want to read the whole series of tweets

 

 

 

 

So this thread is the fundamental thread: Brexit is not just about what we discuss the most : fishing, the inferior statute of the EU ambassador, exporting SMEs, warehousing, the fashion industry, European touring for British performers, Erasmus the one billion REACH database or whether the UK was "in shackles" (or if Scotland is really the one "in shackles").

 

Or whether we, in the EU were "in shackles" because of the UK veto on every advance we made.

 

 

 

Brexit is about financial markets and services

 

 

 

So unless I'm a kind-hearted guy who just wants the best for british bankers and traders, I must definitely be a Brexiteer myself ????

 

 

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Edited February 15, 2021 by Hi from France

[Loiner]

6 hours ago, Hi from France said:

please do no forget I'm not a remainer.

 

I’m not so sure about that. 

 

6 hours ago, Hi from France said:

Brexit is about financial markets and services

 

Maybe you’re not, because you would then understand that it is about much more than that. 

[Tiger1980]

On 1/27/2021 at 4:01 PM, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

No problem! Don´t take the rules then, and see how good that works. Good Luck!

Yet we've managed to vaccinate over 15 million,this in itself has shown a fantastic benefit for leaving the E.u. Just think about it, we could have remained  in the inefficient bureaucracy of the E.u and probably vaccinated Maybe 1 million.

[Dagfinnur Traustason]

18 minutes ago, Tiger1980 said:

Yet we've managed to vaccinate over 15 million,this in itself has shown a fantastic benefit for leaving the E.u. Just think about it, we could have remained  in the inefficient bureaucracy of the E.u and probably vaccinated Maybe 1 million.

Yeah, it´s fantastic.

 

[candide]

40 minutes ago, Tiger1980 said:

Yet we've managed to vaccinate over 15 million,this in itself has shown a fantastic benefit for leaving the E.u. Just think about it, we could have remained  in the inefficient bureaucracy of the E.u and probably vaccinated Maybe 1 million.

It's not related to Brexit. It started when UK was still subject to EU regulation and it was allowed by EU regulation. The UK may have been wiser than current EU countries by following  a stand alone approach, but it could have followed the same approach inside the EU.