Trump faces Tuesday deadline to deliver formal response to impeachment as trial looms

[PattayaJames]

 The VAST majority of Trump supporters were VERY peaceful, ruined by a few nutcases, agitators and wholly inadequate security.

 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2021 by onthedarkside
quote of hidden post removed

[RJRS1301]

 

18 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

A vey dishonest statement. The VAST majority of Trump supporters were VERY peaceful, ruined by a few nutcases, agitators and wholly inadequate security.

 

A few "nutcases" who travelled across the country armed with pipe bombs, other incenduary devices, and built gallows, and entered a building armed with baseball bats, cable ties, ropes etc.

Trying to minimise their planned and coordinated attack on duly elected officials , because their cult leader did not win his second term?

Inadequate security should not be a consideration, if they had been peaceful. 

They were not "nutcases" they were beloved by the cult leader, and intent on as much mayhem, with no regard for other humans.

So much for Home of the Free, and Land of the brave.

Cowards  and thugs.

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

18 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

A vey dishonest statement. The VAST majority of Trump supporters were VERY peaceful, ruined by a few nutcases, agitators and wholly inadequate security.

 

 

No one said the 'VAST majority of Trump supporters' were anything but peaceful. That's your words not mine. However, there was certainly enough of them who weren't, hence the riot that followed.

Trump fans keep on with this false equivalence when in reality both situations deserve condemnation; the looters and arsonists at night at the BLM protests should be condemned (as many on this forum, myself included have done), the Capitol rioters should be condemned (perhaps more so since they were attempting a coup). Why do they have to be mutually exclusive? Why can't both be seen for the wrong they were?

 

And yes, the Capitol riots were organised by Trump. He gathered the crowd. He riled them up and pointed them in the direction of The Capitol. He absolutely is to blame for the chaos that then ensued.

 

 

[Sujo]

18 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

A vey dishonest statement. The VAST majority of Trump supporters were VERY peaceful, ruined by a few nutcases, agitators and wholly inadequate security

 

 

I seem to recall trump tweeting to people to come to dc protest, its going to be wild. Even leading them to the capitol.

 

But ...he didnt.

 

I didnt hear you saying the blm rioters were a minority. Perhaps you could show me the posts.

 

Edited February 3, 2021 by onthedarkside
name calling reference

[Sujo]

19 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

A vey dishonest statement. The VAST majority of Trump supporters were VERY peaceful, ruined by a few nutcases, agitators and wholly inadequate security.

 

 

Why would they need security if it was peaceful.

[mrfill]

4 hours ago, J Town said:

In 1928 Hitler headed a failed coup. We all know where that lead to. Let's hope history doesn't repeat itself.

 

Beer Hall Putsch - Wikipedia

Let's hope that some people can get the history correct first time. The Beer Hall Putsch was in 1923.

[J Town]

2 minutes ago, mrfill said:

Let's hope that some people can get the history correct first time. The Beer Hall Putsch was in 1923.

Firchrissake, that's picayune. My eyes aren't what they used to be. And that really changes the outcome, doesn't it?

[Jeffr2]

19 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

A vey dishonest statement. The VAST majority of Trump supporters were VERY peaceful, ruined by a few nutcases, agitators and wholly inadequate security.

 

 

A lot of Trump’s supporters are violent. Just research the number of death threats Fauci has received. Guaranteed they aren't coming from members of ANTIFA. ????

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

A lot of Trump’s supporters are violent. Just research the number of death threats Fauci has received. Guaranteed they aren't coming from members of ANTIFA. ????

They even opened a website and posed as antifa to create chaos. The fbi even states they are the most troublesome.

[RocketDog]

10 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

Trump's formal response: "Take your impeachment and shove it where the sun doesn't shine!"

Clever defense for sure, and exactly the kind of brilliant strategy one would expect from him. So terse and elegant, not to mention classy. It's bound to carry the day for the ex-president. 

 

That will rock the Dems back on their feet. I have to smile thinking how embarrassed they will be then! Their prosecution strategy will wither under such unassailable logic.

[joecoolfrog]

15 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

Trump's formal response: "Take your impeachment and shove it where the sun doesn't shine!"

So basicly the same arrogant tactics that humbled the nation he was supposed to have been leading. Yeh that will make him a winner !!*;

[joecoolfrog]

Here in the motherland every November 5th ( Guy Faukes night ) we burn effigies of the man who tried to destroy parliament.

I think this quaint custom is one that the USA should adopt , would give Trump his rightfull place in history.

[rudi49jr]

16 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

Trump's formal response: "Take your impeachment and shove it where the sun doesn't shine!"

You’re absolutely right, because your darling president did nothing wrong, not even once, during his presidency, and certainly not on January 6. That was just a peptalk for boy scouts and girl scouts to go and sell cookies door to door, right? Not his fault that they completely misunderstood him and stormed the Capitol to go and do some serious lynching instead, is it? 

[Chill27]

 

He called for a peaceful march. Here are his actual words that you will never see in the lying fake news media.

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard," Trump said in his speech.

 

Game over. He clearly called for his supporters to march "peacefully".

Edited February 3, 2021 by onthedarkside
false claim removed

[sirineou]

11 hours ago, Chill27 said:

 

He called for a peaceful march. Here are his actual words that you will never see in the lying fake news media.

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard," Trump said in his speech.

 

Game over. He clearly called for his supporters to march "peacefully".

Apparently his supporters must have herd something else, because their defense is that he told then  to do what they did.

[Chill27]

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

Apparently his supporters must have herd something else, because their defense is that he told then  to do what they did.

So show me the part of his speech where he said " I want you all to storm the Capital Building" ?

He cannot be held responsible if a few violent thugs, infiltrate a crowd numbering hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors, and take actions that he neither called for or wanted.

[sirineou]

4 minutes ago, Chill27 said:

So show me the part of his speech where he said " I want you all to storm the Capital Building" ?

He cannot be held responsible if a few violent thugs, infiltrate a crowd numbering hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors, and take actions that he neither called for or wanted.

What he and his minions did and said has been widely reported , I am afraid if you don't know by now, nothing I can say or show you will make any difference. 

If you are really  interested google "what did trump do to incite the insurrection ?  

 

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, Chill27 said:

So show me the part of his speech where he said " I want you all to storm the Capital Building" ?

He cannot be held responsible if a few violent thugs, infiltrate a crowd numbering hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors, and take actions that he neither called for or wanted.

The crowd Trump addressed was about eight thousand people, not hundreds of thousands. The "few violent thugs" were in their hundreds.

Numeracy has always been a problem for Trump supporters, and also Trump himself. He wildly overestimated the number of people at his inauguration, and underestimated the number of deaths COVID-19 would cause. Multiple bankruptcies.

Peaceful? BS. He's been sowing division and hatred before and during his presidency, to the point where Twitter has belatedly shut him up.

[Tug]

22 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

Trump's formal response: "Take your impeachment and shove it where the sun doesn't shine!"

That’s our Donald running true to form #1 lie #2 deny #3 defy after all he is what he is same old broken record enough allready 

[Salerno]

Quote

Lawyers for former US president Donald Trump have denied he "incited insurrection" against the United States Government in an official response to the article of impeachment filed against him.

 

They also argued the US Senate has no constitutional authority to hold a trial on a former president facing impeachment, and said "insufficient evidence exists" to show whether Mr Trump's election fraud claims were accurate or not.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-03/donald-trump-lawyers-label-impeachment-trial-unconstitutional/13115398

 

Edited February 2, 2021 by Salerno

[Scott]

Troll post reported and removed.

 

[J Town]

23 hours ago, webfact said:

"They must convince at least 17 of the U.S. Senate's 50 Republicans that Trump is guilty of inciting supporters to attack the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent Congress from certifying Democrat Joe Biden's victory in November's presidential election. Five people died in the chaos."

No. EVERYONE knows he's guilty as sin. They've sold their souls in order to stay in power.

[placeholder]

14 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Pre planed and coordinated, incited by Trump's speech on the day. ????

Now if Trump had called for his supporters to rally in Washington on Jan 6 and promised that it would be "wild", that might call your comment into question. 

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, Chill27 said:

 

He called for a peaceful march. Here are his actual words that you will never see in the lying fake news media.

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard," Trump said in his speech.

 

Game over. He clearly called for his supporters to march "peacefully".

He also said:

 

"If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore"

 

This was accompanied with lies about the election being stolen and assertions that the crowd had to take the country back, along with lots of other provocative words.

[Jeffr2]

6 hours ago, Chill27 said:

So show me the part of his speech where he said " I want you all to storm the Capital Building" ?

He cannot be held responsible if a few violent thugs, infiltrate a crowd numbering hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors, and take actions that he neither called for or wanted.

Mitch McConnell doesn't seem to agree with you.  If you don't know how he instigated this invasion, you need a better source for your news.  Seriously.  And no, there weren't hundreds of thousands of peaceful protesters.  That's fake news.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/19/politics/mitch-mcconnell-rioters-provoked/index.html

"The mob was fed lies," McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, said on the Senate floor. "They were provoked by the President and other powerful people."

[Jeffr2]

26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Now if Trump had called for his supporters to rally in Washington on Jan 6 and promised that it would be "wild", that might call your comment into question. 

AND said he'd march down Pennsylvania Ave to the Capitol building with them.

 

But the biggest instigators were his enablers.  Don Jr, Rudy, etc.  And I guess, that nut job from InfoWars put a lot of money into this also.  Fueling his followers to action.  He should be taken down as well.

 

Anyone who argues Trump and his sycophants aren't responsible for this are reading the wrong news source.

 

https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/alex-jones-claims-he-funded-rally-that-led-to-capitol-chaos/

Quote

 

Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones claims he put up nearly $500,000 to mount President Trump’s disastrous speech Wednesday in Washington, DC — and was asked by the White House to lead the subsequent march that devolved into a riotous siege of Capitol Hill.

 

“No one would book the Ellipse, no one would book the other areas. No one would pay for it. We went and paid for it,” Jones said in a video posted to his InfoWars website Thursday and reported by The Independent.

 

 

 

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/what-conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones-said-in-the-lead-up-to-the-capitol-riot/

 

Quote

 

On January 5, the night before the assault on the Capitol, a video posted on Jones’ website InfoWars.com showed him telling a crowd in Freedom Plaza in Washington, D.C.: “We have only begun to resist the globalists. We have only begun our fight against their tyranny. They have tried to steal this election in front of everyone.”

“I don’t know how this is all going to end, but if they want to fight, they better believe they’ve got one,” Jones said that night, according to the same video.

 

The next day, InfoWars posted a video that shows Jones riling a crowd up again, saying: “We declare 1776 against the new world order.… We need to understand we’re under attack, and we need to understand this is 21st-century warfare and get on a war-footing….”

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

The evidence, both from Trump's speech on the day and from his and his acolytes statements over the weeks leading up to the attack on the Capitol, together with the degree of preparedness demonstrated ( gallows erected, communications during and before the attack, coming prepared with Confederate flags, weaponry and "double zip ties") makes it clear that it was s planned act, not a spontaneous action by a few hotheads.

 

The impeachment will likely fail, because the Republican Senators do not have the intestinal fortitude to face that.

[J Town]

This is 45's legal team's initial defense submittal. He really hires the best, doesn't he?

 

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

The evidence, both from Trump's speech on the day and from his and his acolytes statements over the weeks leading up to the attack on the Capitol, together with the degree of preparedness demonstrated ( gallows erected, communications during and before the attack, coming prepared with Confederate flags, weaponry and "double zip ties") makes it clear that it was s planned act, not a spontaneous action by a few hotheads.

 

The impeachment will likely fail, because the Republican Senators do not have the intestinal fortitude to face that.

The irony is, I don't see Trump was handing out pre-emptive pardons to any of the rioters, when it was within his power to do so. Just told them they were "special people", like handing a squalling baby a pacifier.

They don't understand they were manipulated by a sociopath, who admires Putin and was making an attempt to have the same control.

I'm prepared to give long odds none of the contribution funds Trump has sucked out of his basket of gullibles will be used in defending the insurrectionists when they have to face the law courts. They'll be on their own. They're losers, Trump is on record as saying he can't abide losers. That's why he keeps insisting he won, the alternative is too hard for his psyche to face up to.

[Stargeezr]

Donald Trump was not an ordinary citizen of the USA when he made his speech before the mob went and broke into the Capital building. He was the President and listening to his words,  he was inciting this mob to go to capital hill.

 

WHat kind of BS is his lawyers trying to give everyone now.  Pure BS and nothing else.  I do nope that are enough smart lawyers that will see through this nonsense and nail this loser.  

 

   Just because he was getting close to the end of his term, does not mean anything if he is thinking of trying to get a new political party started, and will be involved in politics in the future.  I guess we will see if there is intelligence in the USA government and

justice systems.  

Geezer